Okay, they are skillful and all that. But, I find matches like AC vs Inter much more involving, there's proper defending (cynical and classical), not many chances, always the chance of a punch up. I will support AC Milan in the final.
Taking sides: Stylish football vs grubby football.
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link
http://digilander.libero.it/fotocalciatori/martins.jpg
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link
Des' comments seem to be part of the great ITV pro-Man Utd conspiracy. Ever since they embarassed United in the first leg, ITV seem insistent on claiming the current Real team is one of football's all-time greats. This is a team that recently got hammered 5-1 at home by Majorca (I think), and struggled to make it out of the group stages of the competition. It also has a defence that, and I'm not exaggerating here, would struggle to make it in the average 1st division team, let alone an all-time great team. It's making United look good by default- they can claim that they're the second best team around if Real are meant to look like Gods. Which they're not.
It's just an extension of that World Cup untruism "Everyone supports Brazil when their team goes out". Bollocks.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link
I found tonight's game tiresome but I watched the whole bloody thing anyway, I thought AC deserved to lose.
Didn't Big Ron love Martins though?
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link
also i will root for juve cos real's winner in the first leg was an absolute disgrace
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link
But Real Madrid *do* win the Champions League.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
1997/98 Real Madrid
1998/99 Manchester United
1999/00 Real Madrid
2000/01 Bayern Munich
2001/02 Real Madrid
!!
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
(Bayern Munich 00/01 was one of the most workmanlike teams I've ever seen, and, lets be honest here, they should have won it in 98/99 as well)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
1966 England1970 Brazil1974 Germany1978 Argentina1982 Italy1986 Argentina1990 Germany1994 Brazil1998 erm....France
and Utd have already missed two golden 'oh wouldnt it be perfect' opportunities given the venue for the final the last 2 seasons...no point getting hung up on these sort of things basically
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
possibly the Juventus of TODAY but certainly not the Juventus of three months ago
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
still, at least you don't come from Iran or Costa Rica ― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link
what I meant to say was that my last sentence only really works if you say it in a bitter-yet-still-reasonably-humorous Scottish accent(think the 1978 and 1990 World Cups)
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link
Dom's point about United supposedly looking good by default if Madrid win is a good one up to a point (though you could argue that could be the case either way given United beat Juve home and away). But speaking as a United supporter, that's not the way I feel even if you put aside the gambling aspect.
I want Juve to win because I don't think this Real Madrid side deserves to be lauded the way they are. Of course they were stunning going forward against United, and the first 45 minutes in Madrid saw some incredible football from them.
But the paradox is that while United never looked like beating them over the two legs they still made them look very beatable. For a team that was getting stuffed United cut through them very easily over and over again. It was so clear that a more solid team would really give them trouble. (And fuck knows what happened to a United side that had looked as impressive and disciplined as ever before defensively in the competition leading up to that game.)
If you compare Madrid to, say, the Milan side that won it in 1994, there's no competition for me. Now that was a side that looked truly invincible.
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:56 (twenty years ago) link
AtLEeeeti!AtleeetI!
AtleeeeeeeeTi!
― gabriel (gabe), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:59 (twenty years ago) link
I'm more impressed by a team that's got the perfect synthesis between creativity and destruction, like the Milan side I mentioned. Which had plenty of flair, and don't forget they put four goals past Barcelona in the final.
If a side wants to be called truly great they've got to be a hell of a lot less flimsy than this Madrid team.
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:30 (twenty years ago) link
Inter vs Milan in the first leg (I missed last night's, grrr) was captivating stuff, exceptional football played by the most skilled and drilled defenders and midfielders in the world. I'm not at all a fan when a catenaccio team goes up against a free-flowing one (though I'll be hollering for Juve tonight, natch), but seeing two such teams play each other was riveting.
I suspect Juventus could win tonight. I certainly see no reason to support a (formerly fascist) club who are the kings of financial mismanagement - though, unlike Leeds, they were bailed out to the tune of £200 million by the Spanish government.
And I fuckin' hate Brazil, too. I don't like Des Lynam while we're at it - smug AND clueless is quite a feat. Remind me why he ever became a cult hero?
― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:33 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:33 (twenty years ago) link
Juve have been so desperate up front in almost every match I've seen this season. I thought last nights match was ok, I'm not sure how Mark and Dom could enjoy it so much though, the last 15 minutes rescued things. Maybe I'm not enough of a purist here.
How come Costacurta was defrosted for the match? And will he be playing in the final?
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:38 (twenty years ago) link
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link
the Milan derbies were both pretty dull i thought.
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:59 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
I play football on Wednesday lunchtimes and I'm known as Costacurta. Because of my name, not my talent, though I am an ageing, slightly out of his depth sex symbol central defender.
― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
erm, the second one was way more animated...and Inter's kickboxin' Mat-tvoju!-erazzi should've been sent away, huh, like twice!
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:07 (twenty years ago) link
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:08 (twenty years ago) link
Man, I'd forgotten how great Italy vs Holland in Euro 2000 was until I was reminded of it here. De Boer (which one was it again)'s first penalty in the shootout is one of my all time favourite Italian football match memories. Heather Mills could have hit that better.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:35 (twenty years ago) link
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Ha ha.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
In future years, maybe people will say how fucking mad it was to hype a team to the nth degree who actually weren't much good. They're the boy-band of European Football.
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
It is good that they are still bad even after signing defenders.
Officially, Atletico Madrid was the Air Force team.
Bobby Robson!!!
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link
http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/envivos/2004/09/1830_index_rfsh.html
At the time of writing, they are.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
The Bilbao Massive will be chuffed.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link
However, I just saw the own goal on the telly and it was utterly phenomenal. What on earth did he think he was doing?
― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link
i think woodgate is trying to earn a place as a striker. they like those in madrid
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lion-O (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Madrid were truly sublime in the 2nd half last night. Raul's goal was lovely and Beckham was pinging the ball around like a ping pong pinger.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 October 2005 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link
The 53-year-old Brazilian, who was Real's fifth coach in the space of two and a half years, had been in charge of the team for just over 11 months.
Reserve team manager Juan Ramon Lopez Caro has taken over as caretaker boss.
A club statement said: "Luxemburgo will not continue as Real Madrid coach. The club has already been in contact with captain Raul to break the news."
The club reportedly held initial talks immediately after Saturday's 1-0 win over Getafe, which was the club's first victory in three league games.
It is believed Luxemburgo did not take the team's training session on Sunday.
Cadena Ser radio and Antena 3 television speculated that the 53-year-old had already been told by club vice-president Emilio Butragueno and sporting director Arrigo Sacchi that he had lost his job.
Former Brazil coach Luxemburgo, who has been at the Bernabeu for less than a year, has been under huge pressure since the tame 3-0 home defeat to arch-rivals Barcelona.
Real followed that by salvaging a 2-2 draw at Real Sociedad with two late goals before the home victory over Getafe - a result overshadowed by David Beckham's third red card in two months.
They have qualified for the knockout stages of the Champions League but are unable to overhaul Lyon as Group F winners and will go into the second-round draw among the second-ranked teams.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Probably that Real's business plan is faulty.
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link
when the revolution comes, i want the bernabeu bombed to rubble
― English cunt read Guardian (imago), Monday, 26 May 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
Wayne Parnell ✔ @WayneParnellHALA MADRID. VAMOS!!!!
^^^this guy is now on a dark, dark list
people who support real madrid are the worst savages in the world
― imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link
http://tryingtoohard.org/
― Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
my DN before the bump was a fucking lost classic obv
― imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link