Tove Jansson RIP

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I thought I should let everyone, but especially Tom, know about it, if they don't know already.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I feel so stupid now. For at least two decades or so, I've been under the impression that Tove Jansson was a man. I read (and LOVED) those books way back then when I stumbled across them in the public library, but have never, ever caught a reference to them in all the time since - until I came here that is.

Kim, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Honestly, I wasn't aware she was still alive. RIP indeed.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Time to write that Moomins article, at long last and alas.

Tom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

TJ says she couldn't get back to that happy space, which is why she stopped writing, and why the last one [=Moominvalley in November = my favourite, Mr No Future even at 10] doesn't even feature the family, justa a buncha weirdos waiting for them and squabbling. "But one thing I did, not only for the children but for myself as well, in the very last sentence of the book you see the Moomins' lantern approaching in the distance": I just now realise I've been one of those weirdos (which is the one reading the book abt the Last Nummulite) waiting 30 years for them to return — does this mean they won't (or does it mean they just did)?

mark s, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Where are they going?"

"To places where I'm not?"

"You talked of plans. Have you any yourself?"

"Yes. I have a plan. But it's a lonely one, you know."

"You're thinking of going away."

"When are you going?"

"Now - immediately!"

"Are you staying away long?"

"No, on the first day of spring I shall be here again whistling under your window - a year goes by so quickly!"

"Yes. Cheerio then!"

"So long!"

*echo*

"All small beasts should have bows in their tails ..."

Means even more to me now than it always has. Am as close to crying as I'll ever be on a mere internet forum. I still wonder the same thing as you, Mark.

(ps I made the same mistake as Kim for *years*, I'm afraid ...)

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I once sat in school for hours - no, it was DAYS! - and copied out page after page of - what's it called? - Moominvalley in Winter, I think.

The clocks stopped ticking one by one.

the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, Reynard, did that really happen?

What an imagineer you are if it didn't.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ok: gaydar = totally untrustworthy sxth sense, as if v.often compensatory wishful thinking BUT I had always been intrigued by the blurb in The Summer Book, TJ's novel for grownups abt a little girl and her grandma: " ... at present lives on a tiny island in the gulf of Finland with Tooticki, a graphic artist." Given that Too-Ticky is the sensible, somewhat masculine, very excellent main female character (aside from Little My) in Moominland Midwinter (pedant alert, here, Pinefox).

First interpretation, when a teen myself (and perhaps not sure what a "graphic artist" was), was that this was militant tweeness: TJ lived with an Imaginary Friend.

Second interp: when ambivalence kicked in, in my late 20s, as a grown-up lifestyle option sighwas that Tooticki was male, but TJ liked to portray him female.

Third interp: Not so long ago (three years) reread it, and tht, "Oh, maybe..." But then forgot, to be honest. No mention of children, y'see: we anti-breeders grab at such flimsy straws for self-affirmation, y'know.

Guardian obit, by Ros Coward, yesterday: "Her lifetime companion was Tuulikka Pietelä, a well-known artist and professor of graphics on whom the character of Too-Ticky was based."

"Too-Ticky looked at him with her calm, blue eyes. Still, he wasn't quite sure that she really did see him. She was looking into her own private winter world that had followed its own strange rules years after year, while he had lain sleeping in the warm Moominhouse." Some straws not flimsy.

mark s, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I really feel I've missed out on something here. Can someone tell me where to start?

DG, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Summer Book is stand-alone, and "not for kids" (tho clearly this element is moot anyway)
I'd say: Moominland Midwinter, Finn Family Moomintroll, Moominvalley in November, Tales from Moominvalley, Moominpappa at Sea, are all essential (read em in this order = not exactly chronological but it doesn't matter).
Then — when you know you love em — Moominsummer Madness, Comet in Moominland, and Exploits of Moominpappa (which I actually never liked that much, even tho it's the one I based MY novel on that I started writing age 13, and luckily abandoned and destroyed age 13). Comet is actually grate, in terms of specific scenes, but it's early [the second she wrote: first never translated??] and I don't like the pix so much (Snufkin is UGLY). Madness has a lot of stuff abt Theatre, v.funny IMO, but can be sorta offputting to newbies.
There's also two picture books for tots: Moomin Mymble and Little My (which has holes cut in the pages so you can see thru to the next bit of the story!! Fuck you BSJohnson you plagiarist HACK!!) and Who Will Comfort Toffle? which I have neither seen nor read for c.30 years.
Above running order = cute'n'bleak, mind you. My preferred balance. Exploits& Madness = more comical knockabout.
ps My sister now and then dons raybans and does her hair to be BEATNIK MYMBLE = top look for gurlz...

mark s, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Moominsummer Madness though - as well as being funny and sweet - includes the most explicit knockabout anarchy stuff (Snufkin vs Park Keepers, Snufkin vs Policemen).

I have both the picture books, which are unsurprisingly worth it for the pictures. I'll try and bring them to the ILE meet-up, if anyone wants to see them (and it happens when I'm not on holiday).

Tom, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark S: I thought it was what you said it was, then convinced myself it wasn't. (The title, I mean, not the sexuality.)

Ros Coward wrote the obituary? CRAZY!!!

Robin C: no, I didn't just imagineer it.

the pinefox, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Poor old B.S. Johnson....

Andrew L, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(Actually I quite like BSJohnson: nor do I know which of em did them did this before the other.)

mark s, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Comet in Moominland" is terrifying. How can this be a children's book?

alex thomson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
"all things are so very uncertain, and that's exactly what makes me feel so reassured" - Too-Ticky

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

dr vick had not read "tales from moominvalley"! soon she will have tho...

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Strange this should be revived now: I was just thinking about that exchange between Snufkin and Moomintroll (see Robin's post). I often develop crushes on fictional characters, but Snuffkin is the one I fell for most deeply. My friend Dan still brings up the time I said in all seriousness I thought Snufkin would be good for me.

Elama ei ole rauhallista, Nuuskamuikken sanoi ihastuneena.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 13 March 2003 01:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think he is a "sorry babe time to split" type, anna

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

moomintroll is so his doormat

(not so much his doomrat, as i first wrote)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, he's a free spirit, and he's kinda moody always off chasing the sun.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

he's sk8ta boi

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh and Moominland Midwinter is ace. I like the idea of waking up alone in a transformed world.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

does Little My's sister exist or is she dead?

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you didn't already know: Jansson lived in an open lesbian relationship with Tuulikki Pietilä, and was the first public figure to do so here in Finland. Pietilä even acted as Jansson's avec in the Independence Day Ball held by the Finnish president, which was unheard of. For some reason, probably because Jansson was so well-loved here, their relationship wasn't scandalized by the press.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

yay tove and tuulikki

i realised that i am the love child of the hemulen who loved silence and the fillyjonk who believed in disasters

(from the first i get my immese wisdom as a music critic, from the second my compassion as a political commentator ahem)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, he's a free spirit, and he's kinda moody always off chasing the sun.

sigh, swoon, sigh.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
I'm waiting for the second one to arrive at the library.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 September 2006 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
I just found The Sculptor's Daughter at the Dunedin library, and so far it's incredible. The first story in it ("The Golden Calf") and "The Bays" are just bowling me over with greatness. It has a similar set-up to The Summer Book, centering on a child on a small island, but instead of being about the relationship between two characters, it's all about the child's mind, and all the odd and brilliant ideas and images within. I think some of the stories were reprinted in A Winter Book, which seems to be a Britain-only publication.

It's rather frustrating to look at Wikipedia and see that she wrote 8 or 9 books for adults that have never been translated into English. Someone needs to get on that.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Learn Swedish!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

my comic book collection is "still on order"...

I love her perhaps more than any other author.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

best tits evah

Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Saturday, 10 February 2007 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

shit - wrong thread

Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Saturday, 10 February 2007 09:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I got the comic strip book back in November - it is pretty awesome. The drawings are all incredible. The adventures are a little more "contemporary" feeling than in the Moomin books, they seem to take place in the regular world as opposed to the world of Moominvalley. The humor is also slightly more "grown-up." I highly recommend.

Matt Olken (Moodles), Saturday, 10 February 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

Just read A Winter Book. "Messages" is amazingly bonkers:

-We are contacting you in connection with this year's marmalade promotion, in the first instance wondering if there would be any chance of a previously unpublished Moomin comic strip on the theme of marmalade

-Hi dear unknown fairy-tale auntie, we're a group of young folks with Ideas! What d'you think?

-Can't you draw me a Snufkin that I can have painted on my arm as a symbol of freedom?

-My cat's died! Write at once

On the other hand, the story made up of letters from a Japanese teenager is utterly heartbreaking.

clotpoll, Saturday, 2 June 2007 04:06 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I love love love this cover

http://www.nybooks.com/shop/product-file/31/thes7931/product.jpg

caek, Sunday, 17 August 2008 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

i was just looking at that in the store the other day!

s1ocki, Sunday, 17 August 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

love nyrb press

s1ocki, Sunday, 17 August 2008 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I knew she was already dead.

I know, right?, Sunday, 17 August 2008 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

xp, I love their covers. The only one I have is the John Collier one. I haven't been able to bring myself to read it yet though, because the typography is terrible. Letters too dark, too many lines on a page, really cheap pulpy printing : ( Are they all like that?

caek, Sunday, 17 August 2008 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

It makes me really happy to see that on the recommended shelf at pretty much every bookstore I walk into.

clotpoll, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Have there been any more English-language reprints of the Moomin comic strips after the one which came out a couple of years ago? Anyone who likes Jansson or the Moomins should check the comic out, I think it's pretty much just as good as the Moomin books, though a bit more adult-oriented in its themes. (Tove's brother Lars Jansson took over the strip after a few years, because she was unable to meet the deadlines, but his scripts for the comic are possibly even better than Tove's even if his art isn't always on the same level.)

Tuomas, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link

There was a second volume, but I don't know if there are plans for further reprints.

clotpoll, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Weren't the comics originally in English?

Volume 3 (of 5) comes out September 30 according to Amazon.

caek, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember in the previous thread we had about them someone mentioned that they're only going to reprint the strips Tove did by herself. If so, that's a shame, because they're going to miss lots of great late 60s and early 70s stories... Like the ones where beatniks and hippies and anarchists visit Moominvalley, or when Moomintroll and Moominpapa get appointed as policemen and the authority goes to their heads, or when the Moomins travel to a Spanish holiday resort and try some drugs.

(x-post)

I don't know what language the comics were originally were... I think they first started appearing in some British newspapers, but they were soon appearing in Finnish newspapers too. I assume Tove and Lars originally wrote them in Swedish or Finnish and someone else translated them into English.

Tuomas, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Beatnik one sounds awesome.

caek, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, I think the beatnik episode might already be in one of Tove's strips, but the hippies and anarchists only come later. IIRC Snork Maiden falls in love with the beatnik guy, which obviously makes Moomintroll very jealous, even though he tries to deny it. I think the social commentary in the comics is rather interesting. It seems Tove and Lars were both quite liberal and generally left-leaning, so the hippies and other such characters are not portrayed unsympathetically, but being older than the radicals of the late 60s and early 70s the Janssons can also make gentle fun of their youthful earnestness.

Tuomas, Sunday, 17 August 2008 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

i really dislike the comics, to be honest. (i've only read one volume of the Drawn and Quarterly ones.) gaggy, and don't hold a candle to the books.

sean gramophone, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

they are very different.

I just got Vol. 2 of the comics yesterday, I have really been enjoying it.

sleeve, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that NYRB cover by Tove herself? It looks a bit like it.

The earlier NYRB books, and the ones that are new translations, are all nicly typeset, but the more recent ones which reprint previously published stuff just tend to replicate whatever the previous typesetting was, so sometimes you get nasty-looking pages like the Collier collection. It's a fantastic book, though!

James Morrison, Monday, 18 August 2008 00:27 (fifteen years ago) link

that 'Snork Maiden falls in love with beatnik' storyline is in the second D&Q volume (and is ace)

energy flash gordon, Monday, 18 August 2008 04:03 (fifteen years ago) link

i really dislike the comics, to be honest. (i've only read one volume of the Drawn and Quarterly ones.) gaggy, and don't hold a candle to the books.

IIRC the very first Moomin strips aren't the best of the bunch, and the series does get better as it goes on. But it's true that the comic does have a rather different tone than the books (even if the main charaters are pretty much the same): it's quicker paced, less contemplative and more anarchic, and deals more with the outside world (i.e. the "real" world) than the insular world of the Moominvalley. I think both the books and the comics are great in what they do, but I can see why someone who loves the books and possibly looks for the same qualities in the comic might be disappointed by it.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 August 2008 06:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I love them both, but suffer from cognitive dissonance caused by the way the characters are in parallel worlds, rather than the books and the comics taking place in the same universe.

James Morrison, Monday, 18 August 2008 10:56 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i just got all four volumes of the comics as a birthday present, and i think they're pretty cool. a somewhat different tone than the books yeah, but nicely peculiar and very identifiably moominish.

plus: they look nice on the bookshelf.

http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/images/moomin/moomincover.gif

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Monday, 14 September 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

just picked one up at the ny book festival -- totally amazing

Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link

They're beautiful. Is vol 4 going to be the last?

When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

i think there's one more to come.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, when I say "one" I mean a Tove Jansson book, but not one of the comics volumes.

Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 05:14 (fourteen years ago) link

#4 is the last of the all-Tove or Tove/Lars comics. There’s enough material for another 1 volume of just Tove/Lars, and then 15 or so of all-Lars strips, but D&Q announced upfront that they would stop at the end of the Tove-only material.

Young Scott Young (sic), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

There's a Vol. 4? I thought I only needed to add Vol. 3 to my collection. I got a picture book at the Brooklyn Book Festival too (last year I got Vol. 2 there). I think this is the same one that Hurting got: The Book About Moomin, Mimble and Little My

http://www.moomintrove.com/images/0953522741-0-large.jpg

Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link

i only just found out how to pronounce little my the other day cuz i met a swedish girl who's name was my

just sayin, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

uh-oh, how do you pronounce it? i've just been using the english pronunciation all these years, it could change my whole idea of the character if i have to say it differently...

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

so is vol. 4 the last one? d&q initially announced 5, but i can't find anything on their site that says one way or another whether 4's the end.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

you pronounce it like 'mu' the greek letter - or that's what it sounded like to me

just sayin, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

You guys should write some angry letters to D&Q to get them to release the Lars strips too. They're in no way worse to the Tove ones, the art may be somewhat inferior, but the plots get even more wacky and groovy. At least they should reprint the story where the Moomins travel to "Torrelorca" and buy some mind-expanding "LBJ" pills from a local drug den; that one is a genuine cultural artefact of the early 70s, and funny as hell too.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

so is vol. 4 the last one? d&q initially announced 5, but i can't find anything on their site that says one way or another whether 4's the end.

I wz sure they announced 4 but would be pleased to be wrong

SO ANNNOYING that the vols aren't numbered btw!

Young Scott Young (sic), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

coming out on Dec. 8!

http://www.nybooks.com/shop/product-file/51/thet9251/product.jpg

clotpoll, Monday, 30 November 2009 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

this book was harsh

clotpoll, Saturday, 2 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

yeah it was

jabba hands, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Not sure how many ilxors there are in NW England, and of those there's likely only a small subset who will be interesed, but this looks great:

Moominvalley at Bury Art Gallery

Bill A, Thursday, 14 October 2010 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Box set of the Tove vols of the strip coming out for Christmas.

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:34 (nine years ago) link

I still need the last two of those

sleeve, Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Reread The True Deceiver this weekend, such a remarkable book. No wasted space, no false sentiments. I hadn't realized there were more story collections released in the U.K., I'm unclear on how they line up with the US collections.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link

There's also two picture books for tots: Moomin Mymble and Little My (which has holes cut in the pages so you can see thru to the next bit of the story!! Fuck you BSJohnson you plagiarist HACK!!) and Who Will Comfort Toffle?

my wife found the first one of these at a library sale, we were amazed cuz we did not know about them. her 3-year-old granddaughter loves the book! now I will be on the search for the second one.

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

the recent biopic is on bbc4 in the obvious slot this Saturday

koogs, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link

I once sat in school for hours - no, it was DAYS! - and copied out page after page of - what's it called? - Moominvalley in Winter, I think.
The clocks stopped ticking one by one.

― the pinefox, Friday, 29 June 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) bookmarkflaglink

!!

mark s, Thursday, 9 June 2022 10:47 (one year ago) link

It's true.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:12 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

https://4columns.org/sinker-mark/tove-jansson

mark s, Sunday, 18 December 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link

Do you know if Paul Gravett has seen this, Mark? I'm sure he would like to share such a nice review on Facebook etc.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 18 December 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link

it only went up fri night so possibly not but thames & hudson US know abt it (and provided the images)

mark s, Sunday, 18 December 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

Good that, Mark.

djh, Sunday, 18 December 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link

seconded

sleeve, Sunday, 18 December 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link


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