The Mormons

On Dating

In cultures where Dating is appropriate , do not date until you are 16 ... When you begin Dating go in groups or on double dates... Because Dating is prepration for marriage , date only those with high standards

On Dress and Apperance

Servents of God have always counsled his children to dress modestly to show respect for him and for themselves...Immodest clothing includes short shorts, tight pants , and other revealing attire. Young women should avoid off the shoulder , low cut or revealing clothes ...all should avoid ... extremes in clothing and apperance ... As a Latter Day Saint Youth , you can also respect the Lord and yourself by dressing appropiately for church

On Friendshipping

Your circle of friends will greatly influence your thinking ... Together you can meet the high standards of gospel living

On Language

...Use Langauge to build and uplift those around you Profane , vulgar and crude langauge is an offense to the Lord ... Dont lower yourself to such langauge or jokes ...

On Media, Movies, Televison, Radio, Videocassettes, Books and Magazines

Our Heavenly Father has counsled LDS youth to seek out anythign virtous ... Media can Uplift and inspire ... teach you good and moral principles ... But they can also make what is worng and evil look normal ... Pornogrpahy is esp. dangerous and addictive . Curious Exploration of Pornography can become a controllign habit ... if you continue to watch porngrophy your conciensce will erode ... Do not atttend or particpate in any form of entertainment ...that is vulgar ... suggestive , or porngraphic in any way Dont be afraid to walk out of a movie or turn off the television set ... if it does not meet Heavenly Fathers Standards ...

On Mental Health

... Any form of alchol , including beer, is harmful to your spirit and your body... Drinking is expensive and could lead to acholism which is destructive , dangerous and deadly

On Music and Dancing

Music can draw ourselves closer to your Heavenly Father ... However Music can be used for wicked purposes . Music by its tempo , beat, intensity and lyrics can dull your spirit ... You cannot afford to spend your time listening to unworthy music

Sexual Purity

Our Heavenly Father has counsled that sexaul intimacy should be reserved for his children with in the bounds of marriage ...The Lord Specfically forbids certain behaviours including sexaul realtions before marraige, petting , sex perversion( such as homosexauilty , rape and incest , masterbation and a preoccupation with sex in thought speech or action ... Homosexual and lesbian are sinful and an abomadation to the Lord . Unnatural affections includinf those towards persons of the same gender are counter to the eternal plan for his children. You are responsible to make the right choices . Whether directed toward those of the same or oppioste gender, lust...may lead to more serious sins.

The Mormon church hands out this pamphlet (its 13 pages long, i hit the highlights ) to every twelve year old boy and girl. It is a hateful and restricve cult . They do not allow their materials out of the hands of members but they have an equally offensive document called The Procloamtion on the Family which is [erhaps the most homophobic document i have seen. Members are told to post a copy in their homes. As well they stole thier ultra secret temple rituals from the masons .

Have you seen how sexaully repressed they are? Or the depression rates for mormon woman in Utah ? Or the rate of teen sucicide ? Do i have to find the stats

It's true that their rules seem restrictive -- but most of them accept it and have found other ways to get their kicks.

They equate homosexaulity with rape and incest. They discourage doubt and intellectual thought . This is not restrictive in an aestic sense this is purtain and censorus .

I sure wish I'd had some rules when I was growing up. Instead my parents let me did anything I wanted, sex, drugs, anything "it's your own choice, honey," but I found myself resentful towards them, because deep down inside I felt that they just didn't care what I did because they didn't care about me.

Two extremes there . Mormonism allows parents teh delusion that they are raising good kids while they slide into apsossy .

They were both professional yuppies, and I always knew their carreer came first, not me. If I'd grown up a Mormon,

I grew up mormon. It was scary. I was told not to masterbate, to throw out tapes and books. I was told to belive in space aliens and magic planets. I was told by the church i was filthy and evil. That i was unclean and would remain unclean. I was taught that woman should do all the work but no make a fuss. I was taught that blacks are inferior to whites. Have you read the Pearl of Great Price or McKonkies mormon doctrines ?

I probably would have picked and chosen what I rules I wanted to keep, but actually having a "code" like that would have saved me from fucking up in a major way.

No because most teenagers view "the code" as a way to rebel. Nothing better then giving a teen written instructions on just what pisses off mommy and daddy most. As for Mormons being homophobic...well, that's YOUR OPINION.

The excommunicate you for it. What clearer indication do you need for their disproval then if you keep up we will drag you in front of an ecclestical court. AND YES IT DOES HAPPEN . i was ex'd as were a slew of my close freinds. Plus how else could you intererpt that

What happened to letting other people have their own personal opinions?

Hate is a different matter . If you belive consensual homosex is the same thign as incest or rape or bestality then thats not an opinon , thats a delusion.

I as your entitled to your, ironically, bigoted kneejerk reaction.

I spent 20 years in the church . I have my endowments. I ended up as an elder. I have talked to the missionaries in the last month. My opnion is emotional and proably oepidal but i does not come from the ether and it is not kneejerk .

anthony - do you think this means guys can get away with push-up bras...i mean, i understand the restriction against lycra and stuff, put...oh, it's just confusing, and they don't like coffee either - i mean what sort of whacko nuts dislike coffee?

"Sexually repressed?" Sounds like a load of crap to me. In case you haven't noticed, I'm kind of a mormon "fan" although I'd never want to join their church. I've dated two mormons and known a bunch more, from my experience the last thing they are is "sexually repressed," which sounds suspiciously like politically correct sociological bullshit.

"They equate homosexaulity with rape and incest. They discourage doubt and intellectual thought . This is not restrictive in an aestic sense this is purtain and censorus."

Okay -- it's a _Church_. They teach certain behaviors and attitudes -- that's a what a Church _does_. If you disagree with those attitudes it's your own problem, you don't have to be a part of it. As for discouraging doubt and "intellectual thought," you may be partially right, but not really, because your own experience is proof that Mormons do think and have doubts and leave the church when they disagree with it.

"I grew up mormon. It was scary. I was told not to masterbate"

So what? I think it's pretty unrealistic to ask people not to masturbate, and I doubt there's many who keep that maxim. But you act as if these are all arbitrary requirements -- I can definitely understand why they'd discourage masturbation; if your only avenue of sexual fulfillment is marital sex, you can imagine the massive incentive a young person would have to get married. In a family oriented church, makes sense to me.

"I was told to belive in space aliens and magic planets."

You're sounding sillier and sillier. I don't mean to be offensive, but I'm having trouble believing your story. "Space aliens?" What the heck are you on about? Maybe you're confusing the Mormons with the Scientologists. "I was told by the church i was filthy and evil. That i was unclean and would remain unclean."

I really doubt it.

"I was taught that woman should do all the work but no make a fuss. "

This is especially laughable, because I've noticed the exact opposite; in the mormon families I knew that were the _most_ devout, it seemed like the women were definitely in charge, and ran their husbands lives totally. I don't think their husbands minded, neccesarily, but it was definitely lopsided.

"I was taught that blacks are inferior to whites. Have you read the Pearl of Great Price or McKonkies mormon doctrines ? "

Believe me, I've looked into the church doctrines. They've been trying to get me to join for years, and I've investigated it to see if I really want to. Truth is, I don't. But I've never seen anything in the church teachings to show racism -- oh sure, there's plenty of racism. I'm not black, but I'm a brown-skinned hispanic. And the Mormon church has _more_ then it's share of racists. And I'm sure those bigots have plenty of verses and stuff that they can twist to their own sick beliefs. But as far as I can tell racism isn't supported by the mormon church itself.

"No because most teenagers view "the code" as a way to rebel. Nothing better then giving a teen written instructions on just what pisses off mommy and daddy most."

Yeah, whatever. This with the assumption that _all_ teens want to rebel and piss mommy and daddy off. Well, they do, actually. But I say it's better to raise up kids to a higher standard, so that when they rebel it's by having sex and watching R-rated movies, not doing other stuff that can totally screw up their lives, like they did mine for a few years.

"The excommunicate you for it. What clearer indication do you need for their disproval then if you keep up we will drag you in front of an ecclestical court. AND YES IT DOES HAPPEN . i was ex'd as were a slew of my close freinds. Plus how else could you intererpt that"

My gosh, can't you get this through your skull -- it's a CHURCH. they have their teachings and standards. it's like a club; if you don't want to follow the club rules, you don't have to be there. thats exactly why i'm not a mormon. but it's, frankly, stupid to break their "club rules" and then complain when you get kicked out. you have yet to address the fact that they believe that homosexuality is a sin; so it's only logical for them to kick you out for committing what they consider a major sin. I've known several mormon "bishops" or pastors. of them was a total asshole, but the others were very nice guys. I was dating the daughter of one, and he was cool that she wanted to hang out with me and make her own choices about what she wanted to do. anyway my point is I don't think that they're the unfeeling monsters you portray them to be. I'll bet that they gave you a chance to "mend your ways" and you decided that you'd rather not be in the church then to conform to their standards. Good for you, follow your conscience. If it's such a crappy church, why are you so mad about being exed anyway? Unless that's _why_ you're so resentful, which would explain all the unfair judgements you've been making against them.

take the quakers fro instance. a lot of their doctrine can be taken to extreme eg plymouth brethren - offshoot of the quakers, who sound pretty similar to the mormons, eg excommunication (my grandfather's family were cut off from all their aunts/sisters etc etc when they left), repression of certain things (my mum was never allowed a record player till she was 21) etc etc.

i just thought that seemed a bit of a silly comment to make, and not relevant to the matter in hand

Same with Mormons. Live and let live. They seem no dumber or more evil than any of a number of religions. But this deal about tablets and hidden planets is still wacko.

There are worse xtian offshoots than Mormons (The Rock and its network in Halfiax is one) thats for sure. I just tell people Im catholic and they bugger off with their high polluting religous talk. yee haw for half truths. Unless of course they catch me drunk in a bar, note to anyone thinking of trying this in the future, dont try to convert people in a bar. You will get me in trouble if Im anywhere near.

"Should you to hie to kolob in the twinkling of an eye..."

Yeah, I know about that shit. At least it's different and interesting, instead of the typical crap you'd hear at most other Christian churches. Why is it that when eastern religions introduce concepts of infinity and endlessness that everyone oohs and ahhs, and when the mormons try to have a similar type feel they're "whackos" ?

"Read the entry on blacks in the Mormon Doctorine. It is still doctorine htat the curse of cain was darkened skin."

Not only do I know that, but I know about the verses in their scriptures that talk about native americans having dark skin because of a separate, but similar curse. I'm not saying I believe that but so fucking what? Dark skinned hispanics are joining the mormons in droves. One of my best friends in the world is in nicaragua now helping them do it. It's _not_ racist to say that I have dark skin because of a "curse" on my forefathers wickedness or whatever -- obviously! Obviously whatever they did has no bearing on me. And anyway, everyone knows dark-skinned chicks are the hottest -- else why would all these pale chicks be frantically tanning.

"But the stricter the rules the greater the rebellion, no ?"

Oh, OF COURSE! That's perfectly logical all right!!!!! Only sarcastic of course.

As for you being queer, I sympathize with you if you were treated unkindly -- I'm sure there are many bigots in the church, just as there are everywhere in society.

Someone mentioned that Mormons really fear social dissaproval. They got that right. But it's worse in the more mormon-heavy areas, like utah and idaho. No offence, but I HATE Utah. The majority of the people are mormon but they're mostly hypocritical assholes.

I think I've exhausted my interest in this topic. Can't say it dissapoints me.

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode I saw last night (I never was a fan, I'm watching them for the first time): George waits in line for the payphone for a long time, and then finally when the other guy gets off the phone, this woman snuck in before him. "What a dark world," he snarls, "where NOBODY will EVER show any kindness or decency to another human being." Suddenly the first guy passes by, and pats him on the shoulder and says, "Hey, sorry I took so long," "No problem," George says absently, not even noticing the irony.

I've _got_ to find out what the writers for Seinfeld went on to do. I would give a pound of flesh for a new sitcom that's as half as good as Seinfeld is.

From his first response to you, you could see he was VERY involved and the argument, far from being debate, was personal. His experience is far more in-depth than yours. But you didn't back off, you continued attacking from your stance of limited knowledge and assumption.

So don't start apologising for his mistreatment, because you've just repeated it and come across to us (well me, at least) as a heartless bastard.

Also the whole "get over it for getting kicked out, it's a club, obey the rules or else" mentality falls down when you remember they're teaching this stuff to their children.

I think quite often religion of this restrictive a creed verges on child abuse. A gay teen, kicked out of a church-based community when EVERYONE that person knows is part of that community? That's fucking sick, chum and you should see it, even if you are a homophobic apologist for a corrupting faux church.

Many world religions condemn homosexuality.

In conclusion, condemning homosexuality, the very idea of missionary work, the use of a faith to back up a political opinion, all of this is rubbish, and as history has taught us, quite disastrous.

Example and case in point: My friend's mother (who has a gay son) is very religious, a simple woman, salt of the earth human being. Her religion brings a certain quiet sancitude to her life, she enjoys religion for the peace aspect. Making grand assumptions of religious people is extremely off-base and off-putting.

This woman's son is gay. He is not as "look at me, look at me, I'm queer, say it loud, I'm a fag and I'm proud" (why is militant queerness, put up with in society, if it were asians, blacks, jewish whites, it is wrong, but it is fine (I'm digressing, cause militant anything gets on my tits.)

But, she did not repel cause he was gay. Alot of religious folk I know make allowances for how beautiful and varied humanity truly is.

To write of all religions based on a bad experience is prejudiced and ill-informed, cause you are writing off some fantastic folk.

I guess anthony is a regular, he must feel good to have you defending him. But I don't believe I've been 'cruel,' per se. This is an internet discussion forum, however, and this discussion has been less flammatory then some topics I've read in the short time I've been browsing here. Looking back maybe I did come on too strong, for such a sensitive subject. I think there's an equally strong ad hominem coming from the "other side," however, as partially evidenced in your post.

I guess it's definitely a fallacy that I don't care about this issue. I thought I didn't, but it just irks me to see unfair attitudes and insulting statements made about the Mormons. Imagine if someone told you "blacks should stay out of college, they don't have the intelligence to compete with caucasian kids," do you think you'd argue against that? Or how about if someone told me "I feel sorry for your wife -- after all, mexicans all beat their wives don't they?"

"His experience is far more in-depth than yours. But you didn't back off, you continued attacking from your stance of limited knowledge and assumption."

I don't know anthony; and I'm loath to say this, but I am kinda suspicious that he knows so much about the mormons. Some of the things he's said are utterly ridiculous.

"So don't start apologising for his mistreatment, because you've just repeated it and come across to us (well me, at least) as a heartless bastard. "

You know, maybe you're right. Looking back maybe I -was- hammering him, piling on paragraphs of text on him. But so what? Like I said before, this is a web board, I should hope everyone here is used to the often combative air of these discussions, no matter what the topic. if there's any rules that prohibit strongly disagreeing with someone, I didn't see them on my way in.

"Also the whole "get over it for getting kicked out, it's a club, obey the rules or else" mentality falls down when you remember they're teaching this stuff to their children."

NOT THE CHILDREN!!! It's all a matter of opinion, bub. I don't see what's so wrong with what they teach their children. I wish I'd had some of those teachings, and anthony and thousands of others is proof they can always change their mind later. Unless you think that it's wrong to teach your kids anything, just let them grow up totally free to choose their own principles? Forgive me if I'm putting words in your mouth, but that's the philosophy my own parents used, and it's total bullshit.

"A gay teen, kicked out of a church-based community when EVERYONE that person knows is part of that community? That's fucking sick, chum and you should see it, even if you are a homophobic apologist for a corrupting faux church."

First of all, anthony clearly said he was an adult when he was exed. Second of all, I don't think that they'll just automatically ex you; they'll work with you and see if you want to change your ways, and then if you don't they cut you loose.

For the record, I don't believe in discriminating or being unkind towards gays. I don't believe that gay people are evil, and neither do most of the religious people I know, mormon or otherwise. They just believe in that queerness is unnatural and wrong and that people who are queer are misguided.

Now I don't know if I agree with that; I don't know very many gay people now. One of my best friends dad was gay and I used to have a good friend in college who was gay. I knew some of his buddies too. I got along with all these famously; I didn't judge them and it didn't get in the way of us being friends. So I don't think gays are evil people; I _am_, however, very sure that homosexuality is learned behavior.

My friends Dad that I mentioned was gay in college, then he got married to a woman, apparently "going straight," and now that he's divorced he's exclusively gay again -- what's up with that? Jeff, my friend from college, said that he didn't start being attracted to men until after he was (what he later knew to be) abused by his stepdad. How people can think it's not enviromental and learned is beyond me.

And another thing; condemning a group for "child abuse" for teaching principles that were the norm for 90% of American society forty years ago is absurd. Of course, you may think everyone who came of age before 1967 was abused. Maybe so, but then how did this country become "great," a vague term but most people I know agree with it.

The ballooning of this response and it's existence show that was once again lying when I said I had no more interest in this. Oh well.

Re: hans, I don't need an "excuse" for my viewpoint, I think it's correct. And your statement that organized JC has caused more harm than hard drugs is not an informed one.

The idea that religion shouldn't teach morals is ludicrous. That's religions _job_. If religion doesn't do it, SOMEONE or SOMETHING else DOES. People aren't DON'T live their lives "born free" on the african plains, with this glorious human intelligence guiding their paths independant of all outside sources. We all have our morals; it's vital for us to try to peacably, voluntarily impose our morals on the world.

I think one problem I have with discussing this crap with people is that a lot of people believe in "many truths" ; they don't neccesarily believe in absolute truth, absolute wrong and right.

CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUmuisDK11c&feature=player_embedded#!

WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT LEATHERBYS

Why would you ignore an ice cream sundae?

That's a parfait, get your head in the game!

Went to a v cute and snowy little ice cream shop like that when I went to visit my family. My sister, her husband, and I ended up having loud ~~~ice cream drama~~~ over whether gay people should be able to marry, so maybe the insular and stupid world of texting has its malty place.

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

The best thing about that site is how Mormony all the Mormon names are, it's like hanging out in the Tooele cemetery.

I've already converted several Romneys, just by chance.

I would happily accept a gay card for my after-life wallet, if it helps me any.

CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE
CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE
CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE
CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE
CELL PHONES ARE KILLING OREM MALT CULTURE

hahahahahah!!!!

so many flavors - this was one thing my ex-mormon ex-bf still shares with the religion he was brought up in. He gets super disappointed and a bit snobby tbh when a place that has milkshakes has only 3 or 4 flavors. His 2nd brother is even worse, and would go to Denny's and insist on a blueberry cobbler milkshake, and get irate when the Denny's employee would not indulge him by mixing the vanilla milkshake with a piece of blueberry pie. Pretty sure he's given places bad yelp reviews for not doing this.

There is a definite bittersweetness for ex-Mormons, at death, when their family members have a funeral or post death announcements, etc. Someone from my hometown was murdered recently. Total hard punk rock gal, didn't know her too well except from seeing her at local shows at the bar where old Mexicans hung out. So there's the death announcement, picture of her in lime green eyeshadow and Horus eyeliner and a bondage top, with the message that she's returned to the loving embrace of her Heavenly Father. Probably hasn't been in a church since she was a teenager. Shit is just weird.

Or when another punk friend died maybe 10 years ago. His dad was a Mormon state senator and none of his friends (eg me) were allowed to go to the funeral because we'd "send the wrong impression."

i guess this would be the right place for this...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/10/cat-buried-in-cement-sent-as-warning-from-polygamist-church2/

what i found *most* shocking is this has happened before and the authorities couldn't be bothered to look into it?!

So my brother-in-law, who went on a mission to Minneapolis, was telling me they market a special "missionary friendly" bike called THE LIAHONA:

http://www.themissionarydepot.com/shop/bicycles/liahona-missionary-bike-package-1-liahona-27-speed-bike-with-disc-brake/

He loved that it was called the Liahona because he could make jokes all the time whenever they got lost – "Sorry I couldn't get it to go the right direction."

Mpls has a rep as a bike friendly town but his mission president made them wear full suits in the summer on their bikes, which has to be hell no matter how nice your bike paths are. He admitted the first ten days on bike in suits were a painful challenge to adjust to.

He also served in Prince's area – I was like 'omg did you knock on the door of Prince's mansion." He said no, but that one of Prince's neighbors was an inactive member (meaning her name was on the records but she quite participating), so they visited her a lot to cajole her to attend church. She said one day that Prince had visited HER door as a JW missionary, and she went head-to-head with him on Bible precepts for two hours.

!!!!

dunno if this ever got posted here: extreme mormons. (full segment on the subject of mormon movies here.)

http://www.themissionarydepot.com/shop/microfiber/microfiber-tie-style-40/
"Microfiber ties are a blend of polyester and polyamide and they are durable as well as stain resistant. Just what every Missionary needs. - See more at: http://www.themissionarydepot.com/shop/microfiber/microfiber-tie-style-40/#sthash.YbfDK7fj.dpuf";

not a bad tie for $8!

This may sound flip, but it is really, really not: nothing prepared me for North Korea so much as having lived in Utah.

OK I should amend that to say that visiting the Kims Il Sung and Jong Il would have been a lot more strange had it not been for my years of Mormon proximity.

er they were lying in state. never hung with them personally. that really would have been something.

quincie, can you explicate?

Yeah I'm sorry, that was not well put. Mormonism is not a repressive communist dictatorship! I should have been a better job saying what I mean.

What I mainly mean is:
1) visiting the Kumsusan Palace of the Sun, where the first two Kims lie in state, had a lot of similarities to visiting the Temple in SLC. Which I didn't get to visit, obv, because I am a non-Mormon! But I have gone to multiple temple visitors centers, and my parents and I talked a lot about their visit to a per-commissioned (<<<not proper terminology, I think) temple; they toured the whole thing before it was officially a Temple open only to Mormons in good standing. Anyhow, the whole thing--from the architecture to the interior and exterior decor to the artwork hanging inside to the formal and reverent atmosphere to the "OMG what the hell is this" attitude of outsiders (i.e., us)--the only touchpoint I had was my experience with the Mormon church as a non-Mormon in Orem, Utah.

OK and 2) the isolation/insulation from outside culture. This was so huge, bigger than I even expected, in North Korea. Obviously, mainstream Mormons are not in anywhere near the same situation. But I lived in small-town Utah before the internet, and the situation was. . . a little bit similar in some ways. I'm sure it is different now. But the norms of "outside" were not well-integrated into small-town Mormon Utah in the mid-80s. And, as of five or seven years ago, very much not integrated into FLDS communities such as Colorado City, AZ. That was the place in the U.S. that most closely resembled NK ime.

Ha, I srsly predicted you were going to say NK people were really into storing grain.

Which you didn't; my prediction was wrong.

xxpost hahah no, I don't think they have the luxury of storing much anything. But living in Utah had a PROFOUND affect on my parents' food-buying, which continues TO THIS DAY. Actually, I'm visiting them now and was just directed to the "food storage" pantry they have in their garage. They go into that stuff waaaaaaay before the advent of Costco, etc, why b/c Utah!

Did I make any sense there? I really don't feel superior or dismissive about either Mormonism or NK! Just not communicating very well, because both experiences were really whoa.

nope, that makes a lot of sense.

Oh you made total sense and you never came off as dismissive about either! I was just curious!

There are million reasons why I would love to go to NK with you, Crabbits, but your Mormon background would just make it soooooo o_O I just know it! Juche philosophy may seem pretty distant from Mormonism, but the cultural values have a lot of similarities. In a lot of good ways, and some. . . not so good (see: insularity, anti-feminism, etc.)

Plus someone who was fucked up on drugs grabbed me by the arm the other night and insisted that I agree with her that I AM KOREAN. It's a sign!

I imagine that North Korea is srsly the Last Frontier for Mormon missionaries! Holy shit I don't even know how that would go down; not well, I suspect.

They are so dying to get there because there's a prophecy that says the second coming of Christ won't happen until missionaries can teach in every part of the world.

I think they could really give a fuck about the North Koreans .

Well I mean I think it would be more helpful for Mormons rather than Rodman to get in with Kim Jong Un.

So this is an interesting question (which I shall google): Where *aren't* Mormon missionaries?

Vatican City?

Countries where LDS Church missionaries have not preached

I could have sworn I saw Mormon missionaries (they are easy to ID) in Shanghai, but maybe I am blurring that with Taiwan memories.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/us/its-official-mormon-founder-had-up-to-40-wives.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

The essay on “plural marriage” in the early days of the Mormon movement in Ohio and Illinois says polygamy was commanded by God, revealed to Smith and accepted by him and his followers only very reluctantly.

hahahaha

"wait, what? you want me to have sex with all the womens? well, gee, I don't know... you're the boss I guess"

This is from Doctrine and Covenants.. basically the 'bitch be cool about polygamy' passage imo

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to prove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundred-fold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.

56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.

http://mic.com/articles/104096/there-s-a-suicide-epidemic-in-utah-and-one-neuroscientist-thinks-he-knows-why

oh ffs

To those who analyze violent death data, it's known as the "suicide belt."

ime using a belt for suicide is setting yourself up for failure
do better, rocky mountain west

it's clickbait garbage science. any remotely responsible hypothesis-making in this direction has huge sampling issues unless you can somehow get this kind of data for basically the entire world. idk how blind you have to be to think 'altitude' before 'shared culture' as an indicator for suicide rates in the u.s.

meanwhile return missionary roommate can't stop yammering on about the church. i forget that this is such an issue for these poor souls who leave the flock, i know because i was one, but i just want them to get over it sooner for the good of themselves and everyone else. i get really annoyed these days by "ex-mormons", they are the worst and can't discuss anything except how much they fucking love science or w/e.

i'm bored and frustrated, time to find something to do.

listen to techno imo

man if i lived somewhere i could hear a decent set on the weekends

but i mean, good idea.

Feds fine Mormon church for illicitly hiding $32 billion investment fund behind shell companies
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/mormon-church-multibillion-investment-fund-sec-settlement-rcna71603