A Thread about the film JFK

And the Rooker! How can you forget Michael Rooker?

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I seriously need to stop raving about all this before I stain my pants.

Never stopped Stone!

And Stone was up front (eventually, maybe? I don't remember if he said this all along) about the history being fucked; "it's a myth, yeah, but it's a myth to counter the equally-false one we've been handed by the gov't," sentiments to that effect. Hell, I'd like to see more intentionally-fucked history in movies, without it being played for laughs; there could be a lot of material there.

As for the ensemble cast thing: anything else about the movie aside, has the "huge cast of famous people" thing been done better than in this? Altman's good with that, but I don't know if he ever did it quite this well, especially if you don't count Short Cuts.

(Okay, I forgot about that one. I'd have to see it again, though.)

sadly this important historical revelation is nowhere reflected in stone's film

"the parallax effect" and "three days of the condor" are two pretty good 70s 12-ft-lizard movies abt assassination politics

JFK is *made* by that mr. x/sutherland sequence,but yep those techniques of multi-film stock/editing craziness etc seemed brilliant/insane/eye-popping in '92. nobody else had done anything like that.
in fact 'nbk' was just re-hashing most of them shot for shot and
no-one noticed as they hadn't seen jfk in the 1st place. it was a seriously under-watched film at the time, but at 2 hrs 20 minutes
even in it's original non-director's cut that isn't surprising.

stone never ever ever said anything about it being the whole truth.
it was well known that x was based on prouty, although
obviously the waters are yet more muddied around the conspiracy by the fact that he goes too far the other way in trying to convince us of his version, but hey it asked a lot of questions, and it made people ask more questions etc etc.
empire magazine gave it some kind of weird 'inspiration' award about 5 years ago for some reason and stone showed up, gave a speech looking genuinely touched, moved etc.

there was an *astonishing* episode of DISPATCHES (channel 4, uk)
which i had seen early 90's ('91 ?) not long before seeing the movie,
and that was all facts no theory, it definitely helped to see something like that beforehand.

sutherland's fave bit of all his 80's/90's work he says.
3 months prep for 1 days' acting by all accnts. one day !

" does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you mr garrison ? ...not for one moment"

Of course, Alexander will be when he stops blaming the gays and ethnics for everything that's wrong with the world. Naturally. I should really see Salvador. It's got James Woods and it's not a revisionist take on American history. Whew.

Yes, Sutherland was great. Though I really wish they'd given John Candy more scenes.

That documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and the follow up are also worth watching if you are interested in the Kennedy assassination. I think Stone nicked more from it than he would want to admit.

still a really good movie!

That's what I always say, too.

This pitch is copyright, btw.

(I must have time on my hands)

(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)

(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)

it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah

the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)

hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards

plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it

Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.

The motorcade sped on...

i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds

Or just read Posner's book.

Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.

I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).

i been working with mice, yknow, trying to come up with a cure

Man, Pesci had the run for a moment there.

https://i.imgur.com/jOyaV7s.png

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Yikes

https://variety.com/2023/film/global/jfk-assassination-viggo-mortensen-shia-labeouf-david-mamet-1235612087/

What am I reading.

deranged movie. makes a good counterpart piece to oppenheimer

Please don't make me watch it

Just a quiet chat between gentlemen.

The most audacious film to be produced by a Hollywood studio in the last 50 years. Robertson’s cinematography is astounding, as is the editing.

Producer/financier/former Israeli weapons smuggler Arnon Milchan is currently knee-deep in Netanyahu’s corruption trial. I remember once boarding an airplane, probably not too long after this film came out, and noticed a man in the first row who was flanked by two Dobermans he had purchased the adjoining seats for. My father leaned over and told me it was Milchan

We're going back into the case. The murder of the President.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jfk-assassination-witness-breaks-silence-142858952.html

The Warren Commission decided that one of the bullets fired that day struck the president from behind, exited from the front of his throat and continued on to hit Connally, somehow managing to injure his back, chest, wrist and thigh. It seemed incredible that a single bullet could do all that, so skeptics called it the magic bullet theory.

Investigators came to that conclusion partly because the bullet was found on a stretcher believed to have held Connally at Parkland Memorial Hospital, so they assumed it had exited his body during efforts to save his life. But Landis, who was never interviewed by the Warren Commission, said that is not what happened.

In fact, he said, he was the one who found the bullet — and he found it not in the hospital near Connally but in the presidential limousine lodged in the back of the seat behind where Kennedy was sitting.

When he spotted the bullet after the motorcade arrived at the hospital, he said he grabbed it to thwart souvenir hunters. Then, for reasons that still seem fuzzy even to him, he said he entered the hospital and placed it next to Kennedy on the president’s stretcher, assuming it could somehow help doctors figure out what happened. At some point, he now guesses, the stretchers must have been pushed together, and the bullet was shaken from one to another.

“There was nobody there to secure the scene, and that was a big, big bother to me,” Landis said. “All the agents that were there were focused on the president.” A crowd was gathering. “This was all going on so quickly. And I was just afraid that — it was a piece of evidence, that I realized right away. Very important. And I didn’t want it to disappear or get lost. So it was, ‘Paul, you’ve got to make a decision,’ and I grabbed it.’”

Landis theorizes that the bullet struck Kennedy in the back but for some reason was undercharged and did not penetrate deeply, therefore popping back out before the president’s body was removed from the limousine.

~deep exhale, pinches bridge of nose~

see that’s the thing with this whole bag of cats now: the explanations are always somehow even dumber than the crackpot theories

Stop eatin' that crab meat, VegGrrl, and listen!

"it's my belief that the bullet was already embedded in the backseat of the car when Kennedy got in, and when he sat back it was pushed into him. i heard him say ow, what's that?"

dammit liz i've been sleepin for three sixty years!

lmao

I'm in my 40's, so I'll have shuffled off this mortal coil by then. But I'm telling my eight-year-old son to keep himself physically fit, so that one glorious September morning, in 2023...

never in the history of warfare has there been a bullet this ridiculous!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YOiaBq3KI

(2m 37s in that clip)

Coming soon to 4K UHD from Shout Select

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— Dawn of The Discs (@dawnofthediscs) October 2, 2023

According to the site:

RUN-TIME
205 / 188 min

So here’s hoping we are getting the theatrical version in 4K

Camelot in smithereens!

I don't think John Williams is given enough credit for this film's score. It's traditional American epic by way of Morricone's score for The Thing. It really gives a sinister, eerie undercurrent to so many of the scenes. It's off-kilter, and elsewhere when he engages in some patriotic marching band motifs, it morphs into a horror score (like the opening assassination scene.)

Fuck yeah!

i missed the 4K announcement somehow. Lord, wake me. I must be dreaming.

Unfortunately, that set's theatrical release is only BR, not 4K, but honestly, that's still better than I'd hoped for given Stone's preference for the idiotic director's cut.

I haven't seen this film since it came out. I've gone down the Dave Emory rabbit hole, I feel like I should rewatch this and also watch JFK Revisited.

the director's cut really is pointless, all of the additional conspiracy backstory stuff feels so blatantly extraneous, and i actually think unlike a lot of DCs where there's gold mixed in with runtime padding, there's absolutely zero added value to the film from any of it.

I dunno.

We got back from touring a distillery this afternoon and I was in the office restroom, standing in the common space buckling my belt, stifling the urge to go, "Mr. Garrison! Mr. Garrison! I have something for you!"

Like the directors cut, your encounter could’ve been a half hour shorter

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/friend-secret-cia-agent-think-190000508.html

this theory is LIT

^^ the woman who's the subject of that book would be fascinating regardless of any connections to the JFK assassination, but her admission that she was in Dallas that day and flew out immediately after the assassination is hugely implicating!

holy shit! yeah i love this one

jerrie cobb is legit incredible even without this, can confirm
(also any fans of For All Mankind tv show she was the basis for Molly Cobb’s character)

babushka lady all set to fly oswald INTO SPACE

^^my take

The Texas theater (theater they arrested Oswald) has an absolutely amazing itinerary for JFK assassination 60th anniversary. pic.twitter.com/LDmCwV2sCj

— pugmane 🦃 🐾 🐛 🥫 (@pugmane) November 19, 2023

I think the only way to read the warren report is a hallucinatory late-night session

Her book even builds a convincing case for Jerrie being a CIA agent with the cryptonym QJWIN, whose role was to recruit killers for an assassination squad that originally targeted Congolese prime minister Patrice Lumumba.

She is anxious to point out, though, that hers is not a “case closed” type of book, saying: “Books that claim to have those answers are probably not as credible as books that present the evidence and let people decide.”

I have decided this is insane, but amazing.

Babushka Lady sort of fucked up really, getting caught on camera dressed up all like a CIA op in a tan trench coat, calmly stood on the grassy knoll - while all other bystanders had hit the deck!

I was thinking about all this shit yesterday as I finally finished off The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins.

one of the best books table has recommended

I hope you like squab!

How was your mousse?

“Frankie!”

don’t you— don’t you think THIS has something to do with THAT?

i promise [grits teeth] i'll make more time for jasper

My life is fucked, Liz! And yours is, too!

in fact, i admired president kennedy. a man of true panache. wife with impeccable taste. [brief cut to liz at ruined brunch]

Christopher Wallace 🐊
@Wallace_Chris12
DeSantis is our generations JFK
He’s

- A family man
- Faithful to his wife
- Young gun who brings energy to the party

I see no reason why we shouldn’t nominate DeSantis

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Ask not if my party can bring the young gun with the energy...

The only reason to get him on Elm is you got him in a triangulated crossfire. You put a team there down at the fence. Frontal shot. Flat, low trajectory. Put a third team down in this building on a low floor. When Kennedy gets in the kill zone, it's a turkey shoot.

That's a Texas Live Oak, boss. It sheds its leaves the first week of March.