Tim Burton -- classic or dud?

there's no way Maleficent is good tho

Was Enchanted any good?

It's alright. The idea of it is more fun than the execution

was enchanted a "reboot" of any particular franchise or just kind of a "very disney" property?

As creatively bankrupt as this particular plan seems (Cinderella doesn't look bad but it does look pretty much like a carbon copy of the existing Cinderella film which Disney owns the rights to and presumably still profits heavily from), it's ever-so-slightly less creatively bankrupt than their plan from the previous decade (which is still ongoing, somehow) to adapt theme park attractions into films.

Enchanted was all-original, as far as I know, though obviously the characters were inspired by Disney fairy tale movies. It was okay, I agree, some good gags, but the concept didn't manage to carry it all the way through.

What I liked about Maleficent is that it didn't have any clever postmodern winks that contemporary reinterpretations of fairy tales often tend to have. It just took the basic story and did a perspective flip on it, turning it into genuinely moving tragedy.

enchanted is great it loses a bit of oomf at the big showdown but the cast is excellent jokes work songs are funny and good and Amy Adams is just extraordinary in it

maleficent was ok. no way enchanted doesnt hold its face down in a puddle and rub mud in its hair

amy adams definitely improves any movie

Dmac would u say enchanted knocks maleficent's dick in the dirt?

totes

Weird as fuck: there is a sequel to Alice In Wonderland with most of the same cast plus additional actors but it's directed by the comedy writer/director James Bobin (Muppets, Ali G, Flight Of The Conchords). I'd bet it's going to be better than the Burton one.

i thought burton himself was attached to the sequel

it's weird how for critics and people who, um, care about cinema i guess, tim burton is obviously a spent force, long since on the decline, but his actual movies are more popular than ever. i bet his cult is huge, too, just among a younger and possibly more international set.

by actual movies i mean his /new/ movies. alice in wonderland made a billion dollars (literally!)

i projected big eyes last night (and did other stuff for it all last weekend) and people seem to love it. waltz is grotesque.

a few critics i respect liked it, but most seemed pretty lukewarm. my SO thought it was just OK, a little bloodless. i'll rent it on video, i suppose.

it's an ultraconventional inspirational courtroom drama with some grotesqueries. jason schwartzmann struck me as terrible? idk. viewed from one, poss several, angles, waltz is terrible too. from others tho he's trippy.

Thought Big Eyes was fairly enjoyable but Waltz was a bit too much.

New film looks like a gothier X-Men. I've seen the book always on the horror shelves but not a peep about it from the online horror reader community.

I know it'll probably be a letdown, but I'm hoping Beetlejuice 2 is going to miraculously be good. I generally don't care about the films that kids my age love but I love Beetlejuice and I think it seems like one of the few things that a sequel seems an interesting idea because you can imagine a million different things happening in that world. It's understandable people wanting Winona back but it seems more likely to hold the story back and studio wanting rehashing of what she did in the original plot.
I'd imagine they're abandoning the beach plot.

surprised to learn the court-supervised paint-off scene in big eyes is m/l factual it just seemed so movie device invented but it also is like pretty sensible tbh

agree w ppl critiquing/disliking waltz idk he is sortof exhausting

weird that this guy now has made movies called big fish & big eyes

Pee Wee's Big Adventure

Big Wood

Edward Biggersands.

Bigglejuice

Bigman Returns

Don't forget the first one! I think it was called Bigman. It was kind of a big deal.

Biglice In Wonderbig

Stop making movies you Big cunt

I'm still interested in what will happen with the two films he still wants to make after two decades: the Vincent Price film (is this a documentary or biopic?) and Mai The Psychic Girl (original Sparks soundtrack)

encouraging?

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/miss-peregrines-home-for-peculiar-children

I was not a big fan of the book, but the trailers looked sharper than Burton by numbers. Or at least a return to grim "Sweeney," and not human cartoons.

two days ago, i almost posted something snarky in this thread to the effect of 'hey, any black people in this film who aren't villains/broad caricatures'? but then i thought, no, quit it with the cynicism

should've: https://www.bustle.com/articles/186641-tim-burton-explains-why-miss-peregrines-home-for-peculiar-children-features-a-predominantly-white-cast

is there a "Big Eyes" thread? search still doesn't work for me.

i saw this last night. it was really good. quite an amazing story. very well shot and acted. the actors looked very much like the real people. it is truly an incredible story, this single mother being this unknown artist, locked in the studio and forced to paint while her abuser takes the credit in order to get rich and famous and justify his absurd hackneyed backstory about being an artist. Amy Adams did a tremendous job and this tortured woman persevering through her love for her daughter, her love for her art, and her love for God! this movie paints a pretty sympathetic picture of Jehova's Witnesses. Margaret Keane had a cameo in the movie and later commented that it was all very accurate, it was a very emotional thing for her to relive, but she is glad her story is told. apparently the trial went exactly as they depict in the movie, but it was even crazier.

Did Margaret Keane really reveal the truth during a radio interview?
Yes. Margaret revealed the truth during an October 1970 interview with a San Francisco radio talk show (not a Hawaiian radio show). This was more than five years after she and Walter had separated. She intended to discuss her art show at the Cory Art Gallery in San Francisco, but she ended up coming clean after the host began to ask about her ex-husband Walter. -UPI

In November of 1970, Margaret challenged Walter to a paint-off in Union Square in San Francisco, but Walter never showed. Instead, he countered her invitation by saying she was a "boozing, sex-starved psychopath." -LIFE Magazine

Did Walter actually cross-examine himself during the 1986 trial?
Yes. "Walter actually did that in the trial," says Big Eyes screenwriter Larry Karaszewski. "He actually did cross-examine himself. He was his own lawyer. He did so much that we actually had to pull back a bit. A judge threatened to put duct tape over his mouth" (Big Eyes Featurette). It should be noted that the trial in the movie happens closer to when the Keanes were still in the limelight. In real life, the trial took place in 1986 when Margaret and Walter were a bit older, and Margaret's daughter Jane was an adult.

Did Margaret and Walter really have a paint-off in court?
Yes. In 1986, Margaret sued Walter for $3 million for slander. The case was heard in Honolulu federal court and lasted three-and-a-half weeks. Like in the movie, Walter acted as his own attorney and the judge challenged both of them to paint a child with big eyes. In 53 minutes, Margaret painted a little boy with huge eyes, staring nervously from behind a fence. As depicted in the movie, the painting became Exhibit 224. As for Walter, the movie is accurate. He said that he couldn't paint because he had a sore shoulder.

Margaret was awarded $4 million but never saw a dime of it because Walter was broke. He had spent years withering the fortune away on alcohol, drinking from morning until night, living in a fisherman's shack in La Jolla, California. -The Guardian

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/big-eyes/

I thought it was pretty good.

big eyes was good. i watched edward scissorhands tonight and it was actually a really stunning movie -- a modern fairy tale. ed wood is brilliant as well. it's very odd to me that this guys can make movies like these and yet 70% of his output is total garbage.

if you liked edward scissorhands (and especially the score) check out venetian snare's "this bitter earth" which interpolates dinah washington and danny elfman's memorable score from said film. magic

wasn't too keen on big eyes but it seemed like a success after the shit track record of recent years

what timmy and johnny did to alice in wonderland was deeply detestable, creating loud, garish ugliness out of a quizzical whimsy.

agree

batman was the worst thing that ever happened to burton tbh, he’s not cut out to make huge-budget tentpole movies

essentially he's pretty good when he's working with an original story or script. Too much of his stuff has been garish reboots, adaptations or remakes, give or take an exception to that rule, like Sweeney Todd.

His Dumbo got a pretty good review from Dargis in the NY Times today. "Takes a turn toward the facinatingly weird," it seems, and M Keaton evokes Walt Disney as the villain.

also an ilxor worked on the music

most critical reaction has been negative to tepid.

i love devito and kean, but don't have the stomach for late burton

keaton

Bilge Ebiri likes it

The circus settings do liberate Burton, giving him the opportunity to stage elaborate, bizarre acts with grandiosity and verve. Whether we’re watching Dumbo hoisted along a fake burning building to launch himself off a collapsing platform, or trying to navigate an ill-advised trapeze act, whenever the spotlights come on and the crowd roars, Dumbo comes to life....

So that’s what’s good about Dumbo. Here’s what’s bad: The story. The characters. Luckily there isn’t much of either.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/dumbo-movie-review.html

the world did not need this movie

thats a high bar

Morbs, you temper your fabled vituperation over the weirdest things.

this is definitely as dumb as a marvel cu movie on paper (and probably on celluloid too)

As much as I hate Tim Burton's works, I still like Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Aside from that, they could all be thrown into the deepest part of the ocean.