RFI: Dr. Strangelove

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I'm almost certain that there's a book, or film or something which has the title:

Dr. [something} or how i learned to stop [something} and [something} the [something}

and subsequently led to the titling of the popular movie. Does anybody know what it was?

Googling has returned a million and one parodial matches (my personal favourite being "how i learned to stop worrying and write the blog"), but the one i'm after will having come before the movie.

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

IMDB?

It's a stanley kubrick films starring peter sellars, one of the best films either of them ever made.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

one of the best films either of them ever made

Oh I don't know...

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

nonono i know the movie and love it to bits, but the title of the movie, just the title, is a parody of something else. something older...

i've seen it (but maybe only in a wonderful dream)!

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Dr. Strangelove was based on the book "Red Alert" by Peter George (according to library records.)

Haven't found a book or anything with the similar title though..

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

The subtitle sounds like a lot of '50s comedies, maybe not any one direct inspiration.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

Is this a joke?

Dr Strangelove: or How I learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb
Stanley Kubrick, I963. Starring Peter Sellars, George C Scott, Slim Pickens, James Earl Jones.

wot Ed said.

pete s, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, he's asking about the inspiration for the title, not the movie itself.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

yes milo, exactly! (do you know? i really want to know)

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

Uh.

pete s, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe it was inspired by the last chapter of 1984.

pete s, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

I've got nothing. Many moons ago, I frequented a Kubrick newsgroup - you might try the Google news search to get there, surely one of the fanboys would know.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

IMDB has no mention of it in the trivia section:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/trivia

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

I also searched worldcat for all books published 1900-1963 with a title containing "...How I Learned ..."

How I learned the secrets of success in selling.
A wheel within a wheel: how I learned to ride the bicycle, with some reflections by the way; (Frances Elizabeth Willard - no date.)
How I learned Irish.
How I learned to play chess /

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

How I learned Irish.

that's the one! no? perhaps i'll never find out. thank you for searching worldcat, i guess it wasn't a book or i'm wrong about the whole thing.

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

Here are some more:

The big town : how I and the Mrs. go to New York to see life and get Katie a husband -1957

I, candidate for governor: and how I got licked - 1935

Openings in the old trail [and] How I went to the mines - 1903

How I found Livingstone; travels, adventures, and discoveries in Central Africa, including an account of four months' residence with Dr. Livingstone - 1913

Practical falconry; to which is added, How I became a falconer. - 1960


There are 576 book records with "how I" .. miloauckerman is probably right - it was a common format for titling books.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

the two titles were definitely connected but there aren't any guarantees that it was;
a) a book or
b) real (outside of my head real)

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I don't know what came first, but didn't the Rocky & Bullwinkle shows all have _____ or ______ titles?

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

I can say that the "Dr. Stangelove" part was thought up by Terry Southern. His son, on the DVD documentary, doesn't believe the "or" half was his idea though, saying it didn't seem like something Southern would say.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that Phillip K Dick wrote a book called 'Dr Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb' but I don't know if this was before or after.

isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:34 (twenty years ago) link

DING DING DING that's it YAYAYA and oh it was written in 1965... whoops

thanks for putting my mind at ease at least and to everyone else SORRY FOR WASTING ALL OF YOUR TIME

Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Special screening at the Edinburgh Filmhouse tonight http://www.filmhousecinema.com/DrStrangelove.html

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

on how it's faithful at the core to Red Alert:

http://www.movingimagesource.us/articles/doctors-orders-20090526

Indeed, on the page, Strangelove’s humor is surprisingly subtle. Throughout the first half of the film, most scenes dance teasingly on the edge of comedy, with overtly funny elements only appearing briefly. Amazingly, one can see the embryonic hints of this approach even in Red Alert itself. Consider this scene, when Howard, having heard normal local broadcasting on the radio and become convinced that the attack on the USSR is not a retaliatory strike, marches into the office of Quinten, who has just launched World War III:

“We’ve learned a lot about Communism and its adherents [Quinten says]. We also know we are liable to be attacked at any time. Alright, suppose a sudden attack knocked out all our bases except for this one. Suppose someone in high places knows the general code group of the day. Someone who is a Communist, or a fellow traveler.”
“That isn’t even a possibility,” Howard said angrily.
“You’re wrong, Paul. It is a possibility. In a world which can construct an H-bomb and put up its own artificial moons, even contemplate a break-out into space, nothing is impossible. Nothing. Oh, I agree the possibility is very slight, but it exists. Anyway, suppose things happened as I said.”

There’s a natural opportunity for comedy there at the end—one that George certainly does not take. He almost takes it two pages later, when Howard tells Quinten that “morally, we’re already in the wrong,” and his superior interrupts, “I’d argue that. But let it go for the moment.”

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.pbfluids.com/

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzx0p2jxSv1qcay1ao1_500.gif

omar little, Thursday, 8 March 2012 08:04 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

50th anniversary stuff, including why Strangelove's view of nucular command is, um, still REAL!

President John F. Kennedy was surprised to learn, just a few weeks after taking office, about this secret delegation of power. “A subordinate commander faced with a substantial military action,” Kennedy was told in a top-secret memo, “could start the thermonuclear holocaust on his own initiative if he could not reach you.” Kennedy and his national-security advisers were shocked not only by the wide latitude given to American officers but also by the loose custody of the roughly three thousand American nuclear weapons stored in Europe. Few of the weapons had locks on them. Anyone who got hold of them could detonate them. And there was little to prevent NATO officers from Turkey, Holland, Italy, Great Britain, and Germany from using them without the approval of the United States....

The security measures now used to control America’s nuclear weapons are a vast improvement over those of 1964. But, like all human endeavors, they are inherently flawed. The Department of Defense’s Personnel Reliability Program is supposed to keep people with serious emotional or psychological issues away from nuclear weapons—and yet two of the nation’s top nuclear commanders were recently removed from their posts. Neither appears to be the sort of calm, stable person you want with a finger on the button. In fact, their misbehavior seems straight out of “Strangelove.”

Vice Admiral Tim Giardina, the second-highest-ranking officer at the U.S. Strategic Command—the organization responsible for all of America’s nuclear forces—-was investigated last summer for allegedly using counterfeit gambling chips at the Horseshoe Casino in Council Bluffs, Iowa. According to the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, “a significant monetary amount” of counterfeit chips was involved. Giardina was relieved of his command on October 3, 2013. A few days later, Major General Michael Carey, the Air Force commander in charge of America’s intercontinental ballistic missiles, was fired for conduct “unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.” According to a report by the Inspector General of the Air Force, Carey had consumed too much alcohol during an official trip to Russia, behaved rudely toward Russian officers, spent time with “suspect” young foreign women in Moscow, loudly discussed sensitive information in a public hotel lounge there, and drunkenly pleaded to get onstage and sing with a Beatles cover band at La Cantina, a Mexican restaurant near Red Square. Despite his requests, the band wouldn’t let Carey onstage to sing or to play the guitar.

While drinking beer in the executive lounge at Moscow’s Marriott Aurora during that visit, General Carey made an admission with serious public-policy implications. He off-handedly told a delegation of U.S. national-security officials that his missile-launch officers have the “worst morale in the Air Force.” Recent events suggest that may be true. In the spring of 2013, nineteen launch officers at Minot Air Force base in North Dakota were decertified for violating safety rules and poor discipline. In August, 2013, the entire missile wing at Malmstrom Air Force base in Montana failed its safety inspection. Last week, the Air Force revealed that thirty-four launch officers at Malmstrom had been decertified for cheating on proficiency exams—and that at least three launch officers are being investigated for illegal drug use. The findings of a report by the RAND Corporation, leaked to the A.P., were equally disturbing. The study found that the rates of spousal abuse and court martials among Air Force personnel with nuclear responsibilities are much higher than those among people with other jobs in the Air Force. “We don’t care if things go properly,” a launch officer told RAND. “We just don’t want to get in trouble.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/strangelove-for-real.html

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-dr-strangelove-50

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Criterion Blu out today, def seems worth a look at the supplements

http://www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/review/dr-strangelove-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb-criterion

i don't know that i've ever heard/read a Sellers or Scott interview about this film.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

from '66 SK profile in The New Yorker

“By now, the bomb has almost no reality and has become a complete abstraction, represented by a few newsreel shots of mushroom clouds,” Kubrick has said. “People react primarily to direct experience and not to abstractions; it is very rare to find anyone who can become emotionally involved with an abstraction. The longer the bomb is around without anything happening, the better the job that people do in psychologically denying its existence. It has become as abstract as the fact that we are all going to die someday, which we usually do an excellent job of denying. For this reason, most people have very little interest in nuclear war. It has become even less interesting as a problem than, say, city government, and the longer a nuclear event is postponed, the greater becomes the illusion that we are constantly building up security, like interest at the bank. As time goes on, the danger increases, I believe, because the thing becomes more and more remote in people’s minds. No one can predict the panic that suddenly arises when all the lights go out—that indefinable something that can make a leader abandon his carefully laid plans. A lot of effort has gone into trying to imagine possible nuclear accidents and to protect against them. But whether the human imagination is really capable of encompassing all the subtle permutations and psychological variants of these possibilities, I doubt. The nuclear strategists who make up all those war scenarios are never as inventive as reality, and political and military leaders are never as sophisticated as they think they are.”

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

My strongest reaction to that clip is that Gene Shalit was a very bad interviewer and Peter Sellers would have been much happier to be somewhere else instead of pretending to be engaged in conversation with that clown. Seems like it would be very hard work not to call him an idiot.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Saw it at a rep theatre tonight--I partied like it was 2019. Fifth or sixth time, probably.

I think my appreciation peaked last time; took a step back tonight. It's perfectly executed, but the truth is, I really only laugh (i.e., audibly) twice: Sellers' brilliant last couple of scenes as Strangelove (the kind of over-the-top humour I generally don't respond to), and some of Scott's mugging in the war room (especially when the president chastises him the one time). Hayden, Pickens, Wynn, I smile, I get it, I just don't laugh.

Sellers seems to portray--in the most common stereotype of the day--Muffley/Stevenson as gay, as least on the phone with Kissoff. Am I misreading that? I know the perception of Stevenson was that of an effete egghead--is that what Sellers is trying to convey?

clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Slim Pickens born on this day in 1919.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link

To parents who did not use the prophylactics they'd been issued in their Survival Kit.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:46 (one year ago) link


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