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its this baroque end of dective fiction, where all of the expections are either ignored or amplified...like this weeks episode w. michael jackson look alike, munchasen by proxy, internet perversion. The twists become more bizzare, the narrative becomes more fractured...its brillant.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

I love the one where it starts off as the music teacher having sex with the schoolgirl and then it just VEERS off into the murder of the schoolgirl's friend who was killed by her half-brother (who unwittingly was fucking her), not her full brother (who they accused of fucking her). Awesome show.

LC, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:05 (twenty years ago) link

for a while they weren't doing these twists, but lately they're working them, even promoting them ("ripped from the headlines, but wait untill the Law and Order twist")

Yes, tonight was something else, you can spend 50 minutes wondering when they're gonna nail the child-molestor and suddenly it's about some woman killing her grand-daughter? Fantastic.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

love it love it love it. it's the hollering televangelist to the original's catholic ritual (c.i. just suxx, vince d'onofrio try to act w/o tilting yr head for once plz)

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

this pic is huge so i'll just link it

hang loose, benson

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 05:23 (twenty years ago) link

I like CI. I like all three. They are like my children and I love them all.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 06:32 (twenty years ago) link

*gasp* dont sully Vincent's good name, g--ff *weeps*

Mind you as much as I love him his shtick can tire when he does NOTHING BUT THAT.

But yes, SVU, agreed, some very nice weirdo twists.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

c.i.'s probs go waaay beyond d'onofrio, he's ok really.

anyway, 'member the one with martha plimpton as a junkie? or the fratboy one with gary cole?

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 06:47 (twenty years ago) link

I like it when Elliot gets outraged by some sex perve and his eyeballs pop out of their sockets.

Tip Hedron, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 06:48 (twenty years ago) link

Remember the episode where they thought that guy from "Saved by the Bell" had been raped but it turned out he was actully doing super degrading gay porn? ... I liked that one.

Tip Hedron, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 06:50 (twenty years ago) link

Law And Order S.U.V.

http://www.ediecast.com//imgs_lrg/edjd/edjd194a.jpg

Skottie, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

this is my fave l&o

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

i bet you that toy mogul is gonna be back for the big season finale.

i think i like ci the best though! also they get extra points for the stephen colbert creepy guest-starring role from two weeks ago.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

I don't currently watch any of them, but I hold a soft spot for Belzer/Munch from his days in Bawlmer.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

I am severely addicted to SVU. The reruns on USA Network are like crack.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

Last night's epsiode was so weird. When I saw the previews I said "But there's already been a not-in-any-way-Michael-Jackson epsiode" (But good call maura!)And when did Boon from Animal House get so fat? This season has had so many fucked up episodes ("Are you familar with the term 'teabagging'?" Ha ha ew)

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm really hoping that belzer gets moved over to the flagship series in order to compensate for the loss of orbach. two reasons:

1. hirings of rohm and thompson (and that redhead replacement for eames on CI) have made me wonder if dick wolf has lost his casting touch
2. who will do the one-liners? unless that burden just gets shifted over to rogers entirely.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

boon was on there?

I watch the USA reruns every night too.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

And if Stabler is so obsessed with his children's sex lives, why did he name his only son Dickie? I mean, what a way to insure teasing at school.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

Det. John Munch: You're saving your really good lies for some smarter cop, is that it? I'm
just a donut in the on-deck circle. Wait until the real guy gets here. Wait until that big guy
comes back. I'm probably just his secretary. I'm just Montel Williams. You want to talk to
Larry King.
Criminal: I'm telling you the truth.
Det. John Munch: I've been murder police for ten years. If you're going to lie to me, you lie
to me with respect. What is it? Is it my shoes? Is it my haircut? Got a problem with my
haircut? Don't you ever lie to me like I'm Montel Williams. I am not Montel Williams. I am
not Montel Williams.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

although I like that they're keeping Munch from Homicide going, I could take it or leave it. C.S.I. does the same thing better (they even have the same lab nerd character, except not British).

Mariska Hargitay is hot, though.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'm totally thinking of another show with the British lab nerd, I just realized. I really only know these shows from being bored at my dad's house occasionally and watching reruns on cable.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, you're thinking of saved by the bell i think

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

at any rate this show is consistently better than Crossing Jordon, it's shallow pale half-witted network sibling, which is fucking painful every single episode. I hate it more than life itself.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

crossing jordan blows.

Ask For Samantha (thatgirl), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

yeah that's the one I got it partially mixed up with, and yeah it is pretty bad. I still like C.S.I. better than either, though.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen one episode of CSI and I thought it stunk. And I'm a big fan of police procedurals. I just found the science to be total bunk. And the characters pretty lame. And the mystery not so mysterious.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

!! how has no one mentioned the presence of Ice-T "copkiller"/ Det. Tutuola yet!

http://www.sneaker.de/images/celebshoes/ice-t-nike.jpg

i seriously love this show.

stolenbus (stolenbus), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

I really wish they'd use Belzer and Ice-T more.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

If they featured Munch more prominently, I'd probably watch it.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

they should put Vincent D'Onofrio in ALL the Law/Orders


...needs more Goren!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yes, I heartily concur Donna :D Me and my boi watch L&O CI specifically to perv on D'Onofrio. I know he does the head tilt thing way too much but god its a turn on, the way he's all so evil and quizzical and plays this almost autistic but insanely clever fucker. LOVE it.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

rrr sorry no c.i. violates the limited 1st person law. scenes all over the place with the Villains planning, scheming, whatnot. stray from the investigators, lose my respect. the guy even has a nemesis, for pete's sake. lame!

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

but that's part of the schtick of CI, the criminals point of view, get inside their mind. I don't mind that. What I do mind is how far they push what Goren does, so much of his technique near the end of every episode would be SOOO ILLEGAL, he'll like put people in the same room that clearly should not be and prompt them and harass them untill they go psycho.

Crossing Jordan sucks, not even the brilliant child of Jose Ferrar and Rosemary Clooney saves it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

i find this show upsetting

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 April 2004 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

It's an accurate depiction of

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 April 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

i can't take D'Onofrio in CI, and I especially hate how the show goes "behind the scenes," into the criminals minds - ooooh. and it's just not fair how Pvt Pyle, I mean d'onofrio, figures it all out ALL THE TIME.

Clarke B and I binged on 2 episodes of SVU tonight in a row and it was oh so good. In the last episode, 2 rape victims Desert Eagled the rapist - totally sweet.

stolenbus (stolenbus), Thursday, 1 April 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

i meant limited 3rd person, duh

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

"desert eagled" the rapist? wassat mean?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.pagunsmith.com/desreagl.gif

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:29 (twenty years ago) link

I love SVU for the Oz crossover factor. I've seen full-frontal from half of the cast!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 1 April 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link

Goren doesn't always figure it out...there's some annoying episodes with a running story about some woman who keeps messing with him and often screws his head up good.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 April 2004 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

isn't she an ex-lover of his though? that always messes with a detective's mind.

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 1 April 2004 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

wait, wait, other l & o characters have had archnemeses who have carried through story arcs! do you not remember arthur gold?

maura (maura), Thursday, 1 April 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

who's arthur gold? There's also some jerky FBI agent ex of Olivia's who appears now and again....

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 April 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

Milo OTM!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 1 April 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

about some woman who keeps messing with him

yeah, Kevin's sister from the Wonder Years!

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 1 April 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

I like SVU and CI ok, but I wish they would call them something else besides Law & Order, since neither really deal with the beautiful dichotomy between law & order. The coolest thing about them all being Law & Order, however, is hearing the variations on the original theme song, from SVU's very subtle reinterpretation to CI's straight-out distorted rockin'. The best thing about SVU is B.D. Wong. He kicks so much ass. That guy could outact the entire SVU cast with his eyebrows shaved off.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 April 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

CI has actually grown on me. I still can't stand D'Onofrio, but the overall silliness of the whole thing appeals to me. Unfortunately, it conflicts with Arrested Development, which takes priority.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 April 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

yeah Wong is the man. i'm glad they made him a proper opening-credits cast member

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 1 April 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

xps no, the crossover two-parter where benson tangles with a couple of con artists, one blonde, one wonder woman, daughter-mother

j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link

i think seasons 1-14 are on constant repeat here in the uk but nothing after that.

koogs, Saturday, 17 November 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link

no, the crossover two-parter where benson tangles with a couple of con artists, one blonde, one wonder woman, daughter-mother

Bobby Flay was in that episode! Him and Julian Sands got probed.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 18 November 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link

oh lol i guess i don't know how to recognize bobby flay then, i guess i always imagined he was like emeril lagasse x futurama's elzar but different

j., Sunday, 18 November 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link

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j., Tuesday, 20 November 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

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— Ben Rosen (@ben_rosen) August 18, 2019

j., Sunday, 18 August 2019 05:50 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

i watched an episode last night called ballerina with carol burnett and matthew lillard and it was INSANE

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 February 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link

Oh I remember that one. It also the same season as Wildlife.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link

wildlife is pretty great but ballerina really blew my mind. carol burnett is incredible and even by his standards matthew lillard really chews the scenery

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link

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j., Monday, 17 February 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link

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three more years of svu!

j., Friday, 28 February 2020 05:49 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

currently on constant repeat are seasons 17 and 18, post-munch and so episodes I'd not seen before. and showing 4 a day so I'm catching up quickly.

lol at the fictional people message at the start and then featuring an ex boxer who is now the face of grilling equipment. and today's episode was about a child sex ring in the basement of a restaurant... (oh mentioned upthread)

koogs, Sunday, 14 March 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

now they've rolled back to series 1 (and 21 is showing once a week). munch and stabler. benson still there (and munch guested recently).

will be interesting to see if i remember episodes from that far back, 1999.

koogs, Monday, 12 July 2021 10:58 (two years ago) link

the catch here are that there are 4 episodes a night. that's a lot of svu.

koogs, Monday, 12 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link

Just like the old TNT rerun nights... "Back to BACK to BACK to BACK!"

Nhex, Monday, 12 July 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link

today's episode came with the warning "contains sex, violence and *outdated medical terminology* that you may find upsetting"

koogs, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 09:02 (two years ago) link

what was it?

Nhex, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link

"consumption"

not up to Aerosmith standards (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link

i really only enjoy the stabler seasons. need him being really judgmental in a way befitting a catholic cop and olivia having to argue for victim's rights.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link

also stabler is just on the edge of police brutality in every scene with a suspect

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link

the R word

it was actually quite shocking when they finally got around to it in the legal bit in the 3rd act

koogs, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link

and munch's conspiracy theory schtick feels so much less quaint now

koogs, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link

ice t turns up in first episode of series 2, i figured it was much later.

4 episodes a night means a season a week

koogs, Sunday, 18 July 2021 09:08 (two years ago) link

series 3 now.

i think every episode has a scene where they interview someone who just keeps on working, hanging up clothes, tidying bars, sweeping up...

they keep saying that the average stint on svu is 3 years. Olivia's been there 21+, ice t 20 and counting

koogs, Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link

season 4, and today's lead prostitute is ADA Costas from NYPD Blue, which is quite a career change...

koogs, Monday, 9 August 2021 10:35 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

season 5.

lt fancy, moonlighting from nypd blue.

(switches back to season 17 and 19 after tomorrow, both of which i've seen during lockdown)

koogs, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

season 10. sideshow luke perry guest stars. and sara gilbert.

watching these daily (still) alongside the weekly 2021 episodes and they are chalk and cheese, the new ones are barely watchable. (yeah, filmed during covid, everyone 2m from everyone else, masks and screens everywhere, but i think it's something else, just the overall quality of something that's off)

koogs, Sunday, 13 February 2022 13:07 (two years ago) link

Last several seasons just weak, especially once they moved Liv to the Captain spot, but even before that. The 2010s cops and DAs are mostly meh

Nhex, Sunday, 13 February 2022 17:02 (two years ago) link

they've just ditched Casey Novak, the second DA, and the new one (Kim?) is being ignored by the entire cast. she lasts 22 episodes according to imdb. stabler's not long for this world either.

the last new detective lasted one season before murdering a perp (which i think was the plan all along). he was strangely stiff.

koogs, Sunday, 13 February 2022 21:38 (two years ago) link

(they just did the usual end of season thing of everyone threatening to leave or being on the edge of firing, or arrested. i guess this stops the actors negotiating too much of a payrise)

koogs, Sunday, 13 February 2022 21:40 (two years ago) link

ha! that's probably right. they didn't seem to prepare at all for Meloni leaving at the time though

Nhex, Monday, 14 February 2022 00:31 (two years ago) link

I will admit I shamefully have watched all of L&O: Organized Crime w/Meloni

the first season was blah, the second has a decent start with Stabler undercover in the Albanian mob and has some decent bits for a while before reverting to more of the plot arc from the first season. crossovers with SVU are kind of dire

the o.g. L&O was great because, with some exceptions, it was more about the crime of the week and only lightly touched on the character backstories. by a few years into SVU, about half of the content was ongoing character drama

Criminal Intent was always kind of a mixed bag, but the character development was more interesting because D'Onofrio's character was a great big weirdo

mh, Monday, 14 February 2022 15:49 (two years ago) link

def will be interesting to see if they can recapture the old magic with L&O: Classic returning

Nhex, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link

I doubt it, but you know I’m watching it anyway!

mh, Monday, 14 February 2022 17:05 (two years ago) link

Really don't like the Organized Crime one. L&O is not about serial storytelling.

Once upon a time I had this kind of philosophical typology of the three L&O shows going... the original was Marxist because the villains were almost always the rich, Criminal Intent was Nietzschean because it was up to the super-smart detective to outsmart the super-smart criminals, and SVU was pure Schopenhauer - there is no hope, the world is pain.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 14 February 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link

Ehhhh I dunno, there a lot of SVU episodes with endings where the kid gets saved, or the victim gets away from abuser, or said abuser gets killed by a vigilante or something

Nhex, Monday, 14 February 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link

I tried a couple of episodes of Organized Crime, just didn't take for me. Will take a warmed-over original recipe Season 20 any day

Nhex, Monday, 14 February 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link

end of series 10 and the last few episodes have had the following guest stars

seven of nine
river song
jim from neighbours

still the same core team 10 series in, which is what makes it comfortable viewing i guess.

koogs, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 11:42 (two years ago) link

So who has been following L&O: Organised Crime? what a hundinger of stupid comic book villainy!

I dont imagine anyone even CARES about spoilers for this show. Dylan McDermott plays this nemesis/foil to Stabler and it just becomes a cartoon, complete with announcements via giant TV screen panels, kidnappings of mothers and a demand for a chopper, and the threat that if he doesnt get what he wants "I AM GOING TO TAKE AWAY HER LITHIUM!". LIke... what the FUCK would that do ,give her brain zaps?

If he'd actually, literally said MWAH HA HAAAAA at any point I wouldn't have blinked. I laughed my arse off.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 6 March 2022 22:48 (two years ago) link

please tell me they wrote him off the show by the end of season one

Nhex, Monday, 7 March 2022 00:07 (two years ago) link

Haaaaaa... no. IN fact in S2 it basically turns into the "Stabler has an evil nemesis" hour.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2022 00:11 (two years ago) link

I said it above, but the show almost was decent for the entire Stabler undercover with Albanians arc. BUT THEN the evil nemesis returned!

It's insanely goofy. And Trayce didn't even include the "young hacker employed by the cops immediately recognizes where the hostage is being held FOR REASONS" insanely funny bit

mh, Monday, 7 March 2022 00:50 (two years ago) link

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT. I almost fell off my chair cackling, that was *chefs kiss*.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link

"I know those chairs".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2022 00:59 (two years ago) link

Dylan McDermott as a mobster is only slightly more intimidating than David Schwimmer would have been

i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 March 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link

o t m

mh, Monday, 7 March 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link

Ainsley Seiger is quite good fun in it but the show is absolutely terrible.

I think you probably could run a half-decent spin-off designed to be a sillier NCIS-style action show but the tone, with Stabler’s wife situation, etc, is completely all over the place and the plotting / acting is horrendous.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link

it bears mentioning that Seiger's character is named JET SLOOTMAEKERS

mh, Monday, 7 March 2022 19:29 (two years ago) link

watched a very wild s11 episode of svu last night on prime video (they used to have every season of svu, criminal intent and main law & order but now only have seasons 10+?) where rosie perez's son is being abused by her boyfriend (played by prezbylewski from the wire) who makes a deal to get a lighter sentence in exchange for setting up a sting operation in which the head of a NAMBLA-style organization gives him a usb drive including the name and address of every pedo in the country. there's this demented courtroom scene where NAMBLA guy gives a rousing civil rights-style defence of pedophilia and the jurors are starting to look swayed (b.d. wong erupts in protest and gets reprimanded by the judge). perez is amazing in it, playing a hothead who almost messes up the sting when she stabs prez in the shoulder. apparently she suffered a herniated disc during the filming of the episode which lead to 2 surgeries (and a lawsuit with the L&O producers) :(

flopson, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 08:19 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Munch retired again last night which probably means I've now watched the entire set. but I'll keep an eye out for the start of season 16 in case they skipped any.

koogs, Friday, 15 April 2022 11:10 (two years ago) link


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