Ted Rall Makes More Enemies

blount: next level

Broheems,

Point taken, and with due humility. Please accept my apologies.

1. I too find this comic offensive.
2. What does it matter who I am? Really? Snob!

g--ff

Don't talk down to to me about censorship

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censorship

Prior restraint is not the only danger of censorship. Another equal danger is the tendancy to restrict new and unpopular thoughts already expressed- which may be true and therfore useful. Free speech doesn't derive its value from only hearing what you want to hear. Also, don't talk down to me.
3. Don't censor my right to say 'classist' ideas. Whingeing about a person's status legally, economically, racially, etc... doesn't absolve someone serious from making an argument germane to the issue at hand, whatever the person's complaint may be. The U.S. is a democratic republic, not a democracy. Thank God or whatever - I'm an atheist. We have (and I would be willing to kill and die for) such undemocratic institutions as the Bill of Rights and various other laws which prevent 'we, the people' from voting for, in the heat of passion, things which have appealed to 'the People' like legal racism, lynching, Hitler, Napoleon III, treating sexual orientaion as a reason for socially exceptable ridicule... Need I continue?

FYI, Rall mostly makes me cringe. I'm a very moderate person generally and often find he's a terrible cartoonist, has a crap sense of humor, and values his ego over actual thinking.

Yo Michael White, fuck off and die.

This is, I believe, beneath you. Don't fall back on snobby nativist (i.e. I was here first!) bullshit when simple decent rhetoric will do. Also, I regret that, due to other engagements, dear sir, I am unable to oblige you.

(I love it when some joker gets all sanctimonious and busts out the ironic "clever" and so forth, and does the dumbass "your"/"you're" thing [or one of its variants] in a post. always classic, that.)

I apologize to everyone here that in the heat of the moment I made that most elementary of mistakes and substituted 'your' for 'you're'. To quote Broheems, Sometimes I write long, considered posts, and sometimes I write my first reactions,
I regret that, due to other engagements, dear sir, I shall be unable to oblige you.

Being naturally indolent I shall simply repeat, "Smug and self-righteous are a truly noxious combination." Now I will go laugh at myself for giving a shit.

I had gotten so good about just walking away from the computer when angry, too. Ah well, this cartoon really cheesed me off. Darn it, I let the terrorists win.

Plus I think you should get acquainted with the guy before you go off and fuck him.

Not that I'm going to vote for dubya.

no, it's a much more evil message than that. it's a complete lie. the message is clearly meant to be read as, "THEY deserve it because THEY flew those planes into our buildings." which of course they didn't actually do. that higgins cartoon is pretty much the entire lie of the iraq war laid bare.

I'm also bothered by the image of the kids in the Higgins cartoon. It's attempts to assert poignance and innocence, but stop me if I'm wrong -- don't Iraqis have children too?

I never heard of Rall before today. Reading this thread it seems he doesn't come across too well. I was searching to see if anyone had read this book

http://www.amazon.com/Silk-Road-Ruin-Central-Middle/dp/1561634549

maybe he's a better writer than cartoonist?

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/trall/2007/trall071022.gif
....

chortle

And now he might as well be Kelly at the Onion:

http://opinion.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c7de353ef0147e26e56ae970b-500wi

Wow the one posted above that is disgusting. I've got friends in Iraq who are most definitely not stupid. Of course he gives the idiot at the end an "I heart sports" shirt, as though sports fans are dumb lol. Is there a level of satire that I'm not picking up here or is he really this terrible?

He is really this terrible.

Yeah, I just read the whole thread. He writes (and draws) like a 13 year old with big "problems with the world" (aka things that Ted Rall dislikes). I know because this is EXACTLY the sort of thing I would have done as a 13-year old cartoonist when I drew comics for my middle school; just like, "here's my viewpoint and I don't care if it is correct"

I think I was 16 or 17 when I kind of had an epiphany, that a cartoonist's job is always to make the material FUNNY first and make your point second, because it's hard to really tie the things together sometimes and everyone's just going to disagree with you anyway. That's where I had heard of Ted Rall; he sued some cartoonist who pulled a prank on him for $1.5 million and the guy ended up really suffering, which seemed just like a shit thing to do to someone in the same line of work as you. I made a comic about Rall comparing him to Jim Davis, basically saying that Garfield is written by making jokes about pretty broad personality traits (Garfield is fat, lazy, always hungry, cruel, etc., Jon is a loser, etc. etc.), and that in the end Davis could do a political comic strip as well as Rall could do one, or that Rall was barely qualified to write Garfield, I really can't remember...have to dig that one up.

There was some mention of Tom Tomorrow...I was a big fan of his in the pre-Bush era. Since then he's gotten a lot angrier and progressively less funny; satire turned into ranting. I wonder what he's up to these days. Maybe (as suggested) the Bush era just kind of took all the urge to just be funny and start getting angry, which is death for a political cartoonist.

Will THIS finally put paid to the guy. (It's the preceding editors' note that needs the focus here.)

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-rall-lapd-crosswalk-tickets-20150511-story.html