Werner Herzog films: c/d/s/d

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Compelling director or cranky old man?

Jeff, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Search: Woyzek. That's all I've seen.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Bit of both perhaps but at his best undeniably compelling. Few films have affected me as much as Aguirre truly breathtakingly beautiful, sometimes overwhelmingly so, from its Popul Vuh soundtracked first scene to Kinski's meglomania and the monkeys at the end. Stroszek's despair, alienation, + mad chickens make it an uncomfortable but rivetting viewing, Nosferatu didn't quite work for me (liked the rats scene though) Cobra Verde was flawed but fascinating + Woyszeck worth it for the performance he gets out of Klaus and the divine Eva Mattes. Not sure what to make of his fascination with survivors re juliane sturz in den dschungel, & Land of Silence + Darkness + but a fascinating figure nonetheless.

stevo, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

itallics off hopefully. Forgot Fitzcarraldo okish, + the manic one with the dwarfs which is just wierd.

stevo, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Aguirre was fantastic.

turner, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

search search SEARCH kinski's autobiography: he is funny (eg psychotically rude) abt Herzog and candid (eg clinically deranged) abt his sex life. Statistically he must have sex with four or five of the ladies posting here, at least if everything he says in the book is true. Which it surely isn't.

mark s, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I think Herzog's movies are totally fantastic, and second only to Tarkovski's.

Norman Phay, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Search: Aguirre for kinski's performance and the monkeys, Even Dwarfs Started Small for the little guy with the funny laugh, My Best Fiend for Herzog's demented relationship with Kinski. I haven't seen Fitz, woyzek and the others, but I assume I will like them as well.

Also search Werner's commentary tracks on all the dvds, the old man is a riot.

Jeff, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Along with the other films mentioned I'd recommend Lessons of Darkness, his documentary about the Gulf War. Broken down into chapters, he takes a helicopter over Kuwait and the oil fields, floating slowly over the the battlegrounds, collapsed silos, gutted tanks as if they were a computer game. Most of the film is set to his selection of the teutonic classics, Middle Eastern radio, though his his creepy dis-embodied voice-over takes us on a journey, similar to Dante's inferno: over the wreakage of afluent the wastelands, the miles of oil slicked desert, so smooth it perfectly mirrors the sky, to the disaster of the blazing oil wells. Although the commentary is very sparing, this is both a moving film and document of the war's concequences.

Also, I wouldn't trust Herzog's version of events. It sounded as if he were settling scores with Kinski safely six feet under.
I'd interested to know if anyone has seen Werner Herzog Eats his Shoe. Apparently, he promised Errol Morris (another feature documentary maker) that he would eat his own shoe if Errol completed a his long term project Mr Death, which he did in 95. So next time they met up Errol made him keep his word.

K-reg, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Herzog's version of events - in My Best Fiend

K-reg, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I've spent some time trying to track down a copy of Kinski's autobiography. Alas both 'All I need is love' + 'Uncut' are out of print + 2nd hand copies are v. expensive as the publishers withdrew them due to various lawsuits.

The Gospel according to Klaus Kinski

stevo, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Bloomsbury published one of Kinski's autobiogs in English a few years back, and (according to the latest Uncut, which has a long feature on KK) they're just about to reprint it.

Herzog - great up until Fitzcarraldo - only the odd decent doc since then. Search: 'Heart of Glass' (the one where he hypnotised the cast), 'Aguirre Wrath of God' and esp. 'The Enigma of Kasper Hauser' one of my all-time faves. What was the Herzog film Ian Curtis was watching when he topped himself?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

'Stroszek' - alienated outsider musician (Bruno S. brilliant) released from prison leaves for US with hopes of new life in new world with prostitute girlfriend, but ends up in desolate Railroad Flats, Wisconsin. Curtis was about to leave on Joy Division's first US tour at the time.

stevo, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
i just saw "little dieter needs to fly," it was great!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

'A galaxy of chaos hurts my head' -- said holding outside of hand to forehead. How can that be anything but better than average.

. (...), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

Search: Aguirre, Fitzcarraldo (which really ought to be called Aguirre 2: The Opera

Destroy: Invincible. Dulldulldull Nazis v. Jews boilerplate. The Harmonists trod the same ground much better and didn't strive for a poetry the script and acting couldn't carry.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

i either like or love all of his films except My Best Friend which I found dense, snooty, and uninteresting as a whole. Perhaps I'm just not as fascinated by the Kinski / Herzog relationship as other fans

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Kinski's autobiography is wonderful, he talks about having sex with his sister, sex with an 80 year old, sex with a giant woman in Pakistan, in the first edition he even hinted about having sex with his daughter Natasha. I remember he described Herzog as having "fart stained pants" and seemed to genuinely hate his guts despite all the buddy, buddy stuff in "My best fiend".

Bob Corso, Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

Search the Even Dwarves Started Small DVD with the weird Crispin Glover commentary.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 20 May 2004 03:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

No-one has mentioned "Kaspar Hauser" so far!!!!!!!!!!! I've cried more at "Land of Silence and Darkness" than I've cried at any film in film history.... and that includes "E.T."

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 10:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
What is NOT good about him?

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps he is not a nice person? But he is a fascinating one.

Who has read Herzog On Herzog?

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink


Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

What's not nice about him?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I imagine him as someone who does not have the time or patience for the formal niceties you and I engage in on a daily basis.

Tell me about the book, please.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

he has or had an editing studio in berkeley. My friend worked there for like a week. she had to bring him tea. she never had anything unpleasant to report though.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's great. It's probably the best thing he's done in years. Too many anecdotes to repeat here. He seems like a very patient man to me. (xpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

I believe he lectured at UC Berkeley.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have a vague memory of seeing "Burden of Dreams" the film about the making of Fitzcarraldo. A movie loving friend of mine says that it's greater than Fitzcarraldo itself. i wish they had put it on the DVD of Fitzcarraldo - although i have had that for over a year and not got round to it yet.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've had it for three and still not watched it! or kasper hauser either. maybe I should do that.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Kasper Hauser is maybe a perfect film.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

You are denying yourself.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've had it for three and still not watched it! or kasper hauser either. maybe I should do that.

No maybe's about it (For "Kaspar" I mean)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

my best fiend is one of the best movies ever

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Kaspar Hauser is the best!

I've read Herzog on Herzog, it's amazing.

I've also watched both Kaspar Hauser and Hearts of Glass with the director commentary on. He is amazingly entertaining.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Watch "Land of Silence and Darkness", it's his best documentary and one of the best films ever made

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

So what do we think about Incident at Loch Ness?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love this anecdote from Ebert's review:

Rather than say exactly what I think about the veracity of "Incident at Loch Ness," let me tell you a story. A few years ago at the Telluride Film Festival, Herzog invited me to his hotel room to see videos of two of his new documentaries. One was about the Jesus figures of Russia, men who dress, act and speak like Jesus and walk through the land being supported by their disciples. The other was about a town whose citizens believe that a city of angels exists on the bottom of a deep lake and can be seen through the ice at the beginning of winter. Wait too long, and the ice is too thick to see through. Crawl onto the ice too soon, and you fall in.

Herzog has made many great documentaries in his career, and I was enthralled by both of these. He's a master of the cinema, with an instinct for the bizarre and unexpected. After I saw the films, he said he only had one more thing to tell me: Both of the documentaries were complete fiction.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey, I started this topic! Years ago!

Search God's Angry Man, I finally tracked down a copy of it.

Going to see Incident at Loch Ness today.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

Herzog PWNS. Herzog on Herzog PWNS.

I just bought "Land of Silence and Darkness!"

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

"God's Angry Man" PWNS too, even at < an hour.

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

we need a animated jpg of the dancing monkeys to put on every thread

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:21 (10 years ago) Permalink



identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

gene scott has little patience for simian precussionists

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

search: herzog in julien-donkey boy; 'kaspar hauser'; 'fitzcarraldo'; 'aguirre, the wrath of god'.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

you know which one I saw a few months back which blew my mind? FATA MORGANA. Echoey Sahara Desert travelogue with almost no dialogue, until the final third, where they show up at a bordello, and just... hang out.

I've never seen a bad Herzog film.

(Jon L), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm otm.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I have seen a bad Herzog actually, now that I think about it ... Where The Green Ants Dream is pretty bad.

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Invincible was bad at times, probably the worst Herzog I've seen. You just can win when you have an overly earnest kid part in a film.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Exactly - he's always somewhere between images of utter cruelty and desperation (the dancing chicken in Stroszek, the smoking chimpanzee of Echos aus einem düstern Reich) and the stark humaneness, totally devoid of any sentimentalism, of Land des Schweigens und der Dunkelheit.
Probably because of some personal reasons, his early TV documentary Behinderte Zukunft about a group of young disabled always struck me for its almost unbearable intensity.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 17 June 2011 16:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

he seems a little too ready to dominate the proceedings in his recent films. in his earlier ones you get a strong sense of his personality without him being all up in your grill.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 18 June 2011 01:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

i saw "cave.." in 2 dimensions and loved it. great soundtrack.

lol waggoner (am0n), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Saw this last night, for me his best since at least The White Diamond.


(No bears, and he just interviews, doesn't narrate.)

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink


truth fact and correct (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh wow, that's high praise; weren't people sceptical about this one, idk why

Abattoir Educator / Slaughterman (schlump), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

first ep of "On Death Row" is quality Herzog filmmaking but wrapped in odd cognitive Court TV/ID TV/Whatever the fuck they're calling it TV dissonance: each ten minute section is bookended by Paula Zahn intros and ads for Glade and fabric softener.
the show itself is Werner speaking one on one with people on death row in Grizzly Man tones and also interviewing family and painting a broader picture of the crime and the criminal. it's actively anti-death penalty rhetoric but as he puts it at the start of the first ep "that doesn't mean i like them"

Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 March 2012 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is on in the UK starting on thursday at 10 on ch4

koogs, Sunday, 18 March 2012 09:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Werner Herzog's Grizzly Man Tones

john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 18 March 2012 16:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cosmic Herzog Grizzly Man Tones For Mental Therapy

john-claude van donne (schlump), Sunday, 18 March 2012 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

His next, Queen of the Desert (about Gertrude Bell, of whom I've never heard) will feature Robert Pattinson as T.E. Lawrence.


Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

A bunch of auteurs are clearly seeing something in pattinson that I don't, but okay.

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think they're mostly seeing that he can get their movies financed

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

even one w/ Naomi Watts? seems like that was taken care of, tho I don't doubt it makes the producers happier.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

also the RP solo vehicles thus far haven't set the b.o. on fire.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

canks otm

"Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm still curious about how this will turn out: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/oct/05/werner-herzog-one-shot-lee-child

Casting on One Shot, the first adaptation of a Lee Child novel, has already met with a mixed reaction. Many were up in arms at the announcement that Tom Cruise would star as saturnine bruiser Jack Reacher (6ft 5in, 250lb), a former Army man who travels the world with just a toothbrush and a formidable sense of justice.

But the project's credibility took a dramatic rise with the announcement that the director Werner Herzog is to appear in the film as chief baddie The Zec, a former prisoner of war who arranges a conspiracy which frames a sniper for the murders of five people – a conspiracy which Reacher investigates.

Many news organisations quote a source who describes The Zec as an "ageless and shadowy figure". In the book his age (80) is, in fact, fairly precise, likewise his mobility (he's wheelchair-bound) and the number of fingers he has left (not a lot). He's a silent puppetmaster who commands such power over his subordinates that when he tells one of them to shoot themselves, they do so without question.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

bel ami was terrible not just because of robert pattinson but he is a very very bad and rubbish actor haven't seen anything else he's been in

conrad, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wd love to see Pattinson give Bel Ami another crack.

Eric H., Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which Bel Ami?

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jack Reacher

Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

To adapt D.B.C. Pierre's novel Vernon God Little, "a coming-of-age story set in Texas about a teenager caught up in the aftermath of a high-school shooting committed by his best friend":


crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hope he casts Tilda Swinton!

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink


crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Jeff, Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink


arby's, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's an interesting way to pass the time, I guess?

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

i imagine myself watching ten, fifteen minutes of this, stopping, FFing to the same point in fitzcarraldo, and never revisiting criterion cardboard edition ever again.

arby's, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink


i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 May 2013 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Wow, Herzog's AT&T sponsored anti texting and driving movie:

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2013 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's heart-wrenching.

Plasmon, Friday, 9 August 2013 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i had seen chopped up short psa versions on tv; had no idea that was herzog

blinded by aggro (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 10 August 2013 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink


"What AT&T proposed immediately clicked and connected inside of me," Herzog told the AP. "There's a completely new culture out there. I'm not a participant of texting and driving — or texting at all — but I see there's something going on in civilization which is coming with great vehemence at us."

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 August 2013 06:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Gah, I'm never going to txt again just to be safe.

Jeff, Saturday, 10 August 2013 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser, playing at an exended sesh at the BFI is really one of his v best (along with Fata Morgana). Saw this on TV at 18 or so...on this viewing you pick up so much more on the cruelty, alienation, the failure of knowledge to provide any 'consolation', how downright dangerous its gaining is, through its sharpening of thought and enhanced processing of sensibility.

As for thoughts that Bruno S. was exploited - well, perhaps he was - but here he is so much more of a presence than Kinski ever was.

Looked great, from the expansive looking shots of the country to the grainy shots of dreams (Kaspar's mind will always be obscured). I'm sure the crew from Berberian Sound Studio have more than a passing familiarity with it - not criticizing, its a well known film.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 August 2013 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I forgot how straight AND funny Nosferatu is. This is possibly the first time the German-lang version has been screened in the US?

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 November 2013 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I simply don’t like the culture of drugs. I never liked the hippies for it. I think it was a mistake to be all the time stoned and on weed. It didn’t look right and it doesn’t look right today either and the damage drugs have done to civilizations are too enormous. And besides, I don’t need any drug to step out of myself. I don’t want them and I do not need them. And you may not believe this, big-eyed as you sit here now, but I’ve not even taken a puff of weed in my life.

...I do not refuse it. I just pass the joint on to the next and let them do it. It’s their business. I don’t want to do it. Actually, I was completely stoned once with the composer Florian Fricke in Popol Vuh. I was at his home and he had pancakes and marmalade. And I smeared the marmalade and he started chuckling and chuckling. And I ate it and it tasted very well and I wanted another one and took another good amount of the marmalade and the marmalade had weed in it. He didn’t even tell me. I was so stoned that it took me an hour to find my home in Munich. I circled the block for a full hour until finding my place. So I have had the experience....

There was nothing traumatic about growing up for kids in post-war Germany. Of course it was traumatic for those who were a little bit older who had to flee, who were refugees and fled from the Polish border and were on tracks, and the left and right rape of women, and burnt-out villages and bombs coming down and things like that. A friend of mine who is a painter was in a bunker when the bombs hit his town of Hamburg. Almost everyone perished. And he was there 48 hours in this basement, flooded, and his aunt held him above water level for 48 hours, until they were rescued. The water was almost up to the chin of his aunt, and she held him above water level. So yes, when it comes to that, that is traumatic. And no wonder he became an artist!


son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

...I do not refuse it. I just pass the joint on to the next and let them do it.

Tips 4 lyfe..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

Can't believe I've smoked more pot than Werner Herzog.

You know something? He *did* say "well, yeah" a lot. (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 22:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

As if I needed another reason to love Popol Vuh! Nice one, Florian.

bert streb, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 00:03 (10 months ago) Permalink

Florian seems to have been a bit of a prankster, around Herzog anyway

We cry crows craws (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 09:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

no wonder he became a artist!!!

and whats your excuse you never even did pot lol!!!

andrew m., Wednesday, 6 August 2014 14:36 (10 months ago) Permalink

I'd like for WH to narrate a documentary of me digging up the root balls and bush stumps along the side of my house. Something mundane but sweaty like that.

andrew m., Wednesday, 6 August 2014 14:39 (10 months ago) Permalink

I'd like to know more about the lighter side of Florian Fricke, pls!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 14:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

aguirre wrath of god is amazing, love how it degenerates into a sort of ceci n'est pas un arrow in my leg existentialist insanity. some of the deaths are as blackly comic as any on film

rock (Jack White, Coldplay) (imago), Friday, 3 April 2015 22:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 May 2015 04:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

"into the abyss" is really underrated. a masterpiece imo. he deals with crushing poverty and the nature of violence and the american prison-industrial complex with the genuine curiosity and empathy for humans+love of strange details that marks all of his best work.

slam dunk, Thursday, 7 May 2015 05:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

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