Was RFK at all dogged by the vices and hungers that characterised JFK's time in the WEhite House?
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 08:56 (four years ago) link
He couldn't keep it in his pants either afaik.
― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:07 (four years ago) link
dogged eh
― kim rong un (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:15 (four years ago) link
they're filthy animals
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:30 (four years ago) link
๐ค๐๐คฏ๐ธhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ObvK4NR_LI
― Bstep, Monday, 1 June 2020 06:44 (three years ago) link
this got me crying. ๐ญ๐ญ pic.twitter.com/fsxVQ2txI6— ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฒ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. (@arisaidthat) September 12, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 12 September 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
i feel very old
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 September 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link
Leon Czolgosz shot President McKinley 53 years before I was born and when I finally learned about it in grade school it felt like an impossibly remote event of ancient history. It's been 57 years since Oswald shot President Kennedy. I'm sure that Kids These Days feel the same as I did then. btw, I was 9 when Kennedy was killed, so it is a real memory for me, not something that feels utterly remote and irrelevant.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 12 September 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
i have it on good authority that Gene Rayburn was seen running away from the depository looking distraught and nobody ever questioned him
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 12 September 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
Does Sada Baby get paid from all the tiktok plays?
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 12 September 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link
Apparently TikTok does pay a tiny amount (less than Spotify!) now, but it's basically "exposure"
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 14 September 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
trueanon podcast has a 6 part deep dive into the jfk assasination not exactly new but covers all the bases on a deep enough level to scratch an itch, and now finds me seeking out the peter dale scott bookidk why i am so addicted to this part of history but man i am so hooked
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link
Cleaning house and going through my books, and the question came to mind:
Lots of people think Ruby was a hero for bumping off Oswald, but was this just the mob doing their mob thing - being macho and trigger happy, and isn't he in fact responsibke for a lot of the conspiracy bullshit when he whacked the guy?
― Donald Duck Loved Walt Whitman (I M Losted), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 10:27 (two years ago) link
Oh and I don't know if Peter Dale Scott proves anything, but is fascinating document of how fuckedly paranoid and spooked up the ass US was at the time, so is worthwhile reading and certainly a trip.
― Donald Duck Loved Walt Whitman (I M Losted), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 10:29 (two years ago) link
VG i love this stuff too, i didn't read peter dale scott but did read the devil's chessboard which i think relies on it. also read the book about the bush family, family of secrets, it has stuff about the hilarious letters barbara bush was writing at the time.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 11:31 (two years ago) link
everything everyone says above is of course true but the killing shot was still the secret service guy in the car behind as he toppled backwards when the motorcade sped up and squeezed out a round by mistake from his badly designed automatic rifle
correct theory bcz banter outcome sorry if this offends
― mark s, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 12:07 (two years ago) link
ordered JFK and the unspeakable yesterday, looking forward to it. i enjoy these approaches that are less forensic and more broadly political
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 12:54 (two years ago) link
meteors did it IMO
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
JFK killed himself
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
with Thurston Moore's big fuckin dick
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Oh no! Lucy pulls the football away again
The White House said Friday it would delay the release of long-classified documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy. President Joe Biden wrote in a statement that the remaining files "shall be withheld from full public disclosure" until December 15 next year -- nearly 60 years after Kennedy's assassination in Dallas, Texas in 1963.In 2017, former president Donald Trump released several thousand secret files on the assassination, but withheld others on national security grounds.The White House said the national archivist needs more time for a review into that redaction, which was slowed by the pandemic.
In 2017, former president Donald Trump released several thousand secret files on the assassination, but withheld others on national security grounds.
The White House said the national archivist needs more time for a review into that redaction, which was slowed by the pandemic.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 23 October 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
GOD DAMMIT
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
David Mamet joins in with his own assassination movie
Set in 1963 and scripted by Mamet and Nicholas Celozzi, Assassination is set during a โcrucial justice hearing against organized crime, when the head of the Chicago mob orders the assassination of President John F. Kennedy Jr., creating a deadly conspiracy while altering the fate of a nation.โ With a cast featuring Al Pacino, Viggo Mortensen, John Travolta, Shia LaBeouf, Rebecca Pidgeon, and Courtney Love, production will kick off this September in Vancouver, with cinematographer Robert Elswit (Inherent Vice, There Will Be Blood) on board.Taking the point of view of the mob, the film is rumored to take place in the two days leading up to the assassination and will imagine a story in which Chicago mob kingpin Sam Giancana ordered the hit to get back at JFK who turned his back on the mafia after they assisted with his election. In scripting the film, Celozzi reportedly drew inspiration from his great uncle Giancana, who was murdered in 1975.
Taking the point of view of the mob, the film is rumored to take place in the two days leading up to the assassination and will imagine a story in which Chicago mob kingpin Sam Giancana ordered the hit to get back at JFK who turned his back on the mafia after they assisted with his election. In scripting the film, Celozzi reportedly drew inspiration from his great uncle Giancana, who was murdered in 1975.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 06:29 (eleven months ago) link
Cuban gay mafia is the only conspiracy I will accept.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 09:54 (eleven months ago) link
It's been decades since I saw JFK or thought about the assassination in any depth but given how antsy the mob gets over even whacking one of their own* the idea that they'd straight-up take out the President of the USA has always seemed v difficult to swallow.
(* my knowledge of the inner machinations of the mob is entirely gleaned from watching movies and The Sopranos)
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 09:56 (eleven months ago) link
I always thought the theory was they sent Ruby to take out Oswald to make people think they were also involved in taking out JFK when in fact they had nothing to do with it.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 10:08 (eleven months ago) link
fuck yeah!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 10:17 (eleven months ago) link
My dad's theory, after a few beers, was JFK was killed because he was a Catholic.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 10:23 (eleven months ago) link
... usually in between verses from that song about how the British murdered James Connolly.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 10:27 (eleven months ago) link
Is the prevailing theory now that the whole thing was a complete fuck-up on someone's part? Because most things are, despite the best efforts of conspiracy theorists to convince you that some shadowy cabal are in total control of their actions.
― john cooper mellencamp (Matt #2), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 12:52 (eleven months ago) link
over/under on how many times the word "cocksucker" appears in this film
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 17:49 (eleven months ago) link
gonna guess "not enough"
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 17:50 (eleven months ago) link
felt like the irishman already told this story in a compelling way by merely hinting at it as a likely reason. in fact what i sort appreciated about that film was how it overlapped with the oliver stone JFK narrative for precisely one scene (frank delivering a truck shipment to david ferrie) and as with everything else in his life, frank was watching it all from the outside looking in and not knowing all the details, or caring to.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:13 (eleven months ago) link
When are we ever getting our "his head just DID that" movie
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:22 (eleven months ago) link
The Behind The Bastards episodes on the Illuminati had some interesting stuff about a one time friend of Lee Harvey Oswald's who looked a lot like him who wound up convincing himself that he had been involved. Kerry Wendell Thornley.He turns up in the 3rd of 4 parts on the history. Also apparently very influential in the rise of the underground magazine but pretty unstable.
― Stevo, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:24 (eleven months ago) link
Shia LaBeouf... and Courtney Love
this is the real crime
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:28 (eleven months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/OFVJXdK.gif
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:28 (eleven months ago) link
the thornley brothers were named tom dick and kerry
― mark s, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:32 (eleven months ago) link
no wonder the church of the subgenius beckoned
― mark s, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:36 (eleven months ago) link
trueanon podcast has a 6 part deep dive
Hah. Dave Emory has hundreds of hours on it. He goes so far down the rabbit hole he comes out the other side.
(He's convinced it was a CIA op, btw.)
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:45 (eleven months ago) link
I'm pretty sure it was a time travel unit trying to stave off the Woke Mind Virus for another few decades
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 18:52 (eleven months ago) link
interesting Louisiana footnote in the wikipedia entry for Kerry Thornley:
Garrison charged Thornley with perjury after Thornley denied that he had been in contact with Oswald in any manner since 1959. The perjury charge was eventually dropped by Garrison's successor Harry Connick Sr.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 19:10 (eleven months ago) link
When are we ever getting our "his head just DID that" movie?
Where was Michael Ironside that day?
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:14 (eleven months ago) link
given how antsy the mob gets over even whacking one of their own
I don't know if they got antsy about whacking their own or not, but they got over it pretty quick especially around this time period
― anvil, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 06:13 (eleven months ago) link
Is the prevailing theory now that the whole thing was a complete fuck-up on someone's part?
My personal theory is that They (CIA/Mafia/etc.) wanted to spook JFK with an attempt and their patsy accidentally pulled it off.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 06:31 (eleven months ago) link
jfk's head wanted to spook him by showing it could just do that on its own and accidentally etc
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 08:56 (eleven months ago) link
I read somewhere that Paul Krassner's comments about compromising positions between LBJ and JFK's corpse became pretty widely known and believed to greater degree than he'd expectedhttps://soundcloud.com/eptc/episode-8-side-a-paul-krassner
― Stevo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:57 (eleven months ago) link
that is read it somewhere over teh last several months and now found a soundfile supporting it
best JFK assassination book i've read is still Not In Your Lifetime by Anthony Summers. he's not deluded enough to subscribe to specific theories, but he does line up all the unusual aspects of the shooting, the possible motives of those who might be suspected, and seems to conclude that there's something to it, but it's impossible to know the real truth. he seems to lean more mob involvement/oswald involvement/oswald as minor CIA asset who lost it, and while he completely dismisses Oliver Stone and his theories, what's interesting is just what from the film he nails down as factual (such as the time when Oswald met a Cuban exile for a brief moment and later a phone call come to her, telling her things about Oswald she didn't even ask about.)
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 20:16 (eleven months ago) link
The Summers book is the most plausible; I appreciated how he didn't address every what-about. I told the story about the Silvia Odio incident in the other thread, still the eeriest of the purported Oswald encounters.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 20:40 (eleven months ago) link