John Harris C/D

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Author of 'The Last Party', former NME scribe and Select editor... and now political commentator. This would usually be an ILM question, but I don't think many other music writers have made this kind of transition, which is interesting given that Harris was never as ideas-oriented as, say, Paul Morley or Simon Reynolds -- two writers who never really tackle politics directly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1384389,00.html

I enjoyed 'The Last Party' partly for nostalgic, or anti-nostalgic reasons, certainly more than 'Words and Music'. And Select -- I liked that too. But I'm reluctant to say 'classic'.

Miles Finch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

worst haircut evah.

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to like Select. Wasn't he also features ed. at Q for a while or something?

I can't stand him asa writer. As a radio voice... bearable.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

there isn't much 'there' as a writer. he's at his worst when trying to be funny or insightful, which may cause alarm. 'the last party' is an enjoyable narrative, but it doesn't have much to say about the mid-nineties.

Miles Finch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked The Last Party and Select and his little slot on Newsnight last night. I don't like his hair, though. When they previewed a clip of his interview with the ultra-Blairite woman I thought he was a woman from behind. (Actually, that sounds odd, I mean 'from the back he looked like a middle-aged woman).

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

for some unaccountable but visual reason i always get john harris mixed up with the bbc sports commentator john inverdale. both johns have seriously misguided haircuts.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked John Harris's dad on Newsnight. The ultra-Blairite woman is Hazel Blears, who's a weirdo, or at least comes across as about to have a breakdown or a fit at any moment. Her 'concern' for Harris in last night's film was unnerving.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

do expand -- i started this thread having missed NN last night. what was her 'concern'?

Miles Finch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

She just lost it a bit when he asked her a tricky question and started accusing him of being an obsessive compulsive.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

haha q: 'why are we in iraq' a: 'let's draw a line udner this and move on'

Miles Finch, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember chatting to him on The Oxford Tube once one the way back from a gig in 1993. He said he had been doing something or other in London, but it turned out he had been trying out for a presenters gig on The Word. They already had one slightly camera uneasy Manc, they did not need another.

Never really rated his writing, and he did think Dodgy was the future in 1994, but a nice enough bloke.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

oh that's who it was. caught the end of the NN piece last night.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Tony Wilson was taking the piss out of him for being from somewhere or other outside Manchester, can't remember where, the same place Miranda Sawyer is from.

I think he is OK.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Harris was very upfront about coming from Wilmslow, a well-to-do Manchester commuter-belt town. Tony Wilson is hardly in a position to score working class points though, is he? And nor should he - Wilson is loveable for precisely the fact that he is elitist, and doesn't have any 'nouveau pauvre' pretensions.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The piss-taking was well-meaning and a bit of a laugh, but Harris visibly baulked when Wilson said it made Surrey look like the Bronx, or something. They were obviously quite comfortable with each other and each argued that the other's book was better than their own, which is nice, I suppose. Harris was more nervous than Wilson, but he was smarter in appearance, Wilson's socks having fallen down.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

So JH was given over half of NN to debate a New Labour politico *and* discuss the burgeoning Madchester scene?

Miles Finch, Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it is January.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Giraffe is right, about his Blears fears.

the bellefox, Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Dear God. The new wave of young fogeys.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yo trousers!

KeefW (kmw), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I like John Harris.

KeefW (kmw), Saturday, 24 September 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

He lives in Hay-on-Wye, it says there.

I wish I lived in Hay-on-Wye.

Some of you stay up very late, I see.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah... That's one in the eye for the system

KeefW (kmw), Monday, 26 September 2005 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Worzel Gummidge writes idiot's guide with lots of pictures to 32-year-old pop record wow that is like so punk

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link

daerest punk, when will being punk stop mattering?

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 07:24 (eighteen years ago) link

it's better than being a wurzel

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i have friends in ross-on-wye. it is very pretty there.

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, I would settle for Ross-on-Wye (not knowing the difference).

The first version (sans sassy horns) of the Are You Being Served? theme tune is very like Money. I wonder if John Harris will mention that in his book.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

David Stubbs already has.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link

He lives in Hay-on-Wye, it says there.

He represented the Hay-on-Wye Book Festival on University Challenge (growed-ups version) recently. They thoughtfully made the buzzer question on the music round a Pink Floyd song. I'd have guffawed heartily had he not been first on the buzzer, however he was.

I used to like Select. Also I know his cousin. So I'll say classic by default, as I can't really think of a real reason he could classified as dud.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Washed-up music hack with nothing to say about music any more looking to make a living for the next 40 years at the expense of better writers who don't happen to be shagging ***** ******.

2. Face and hair of a yokel simpleton.

3. "Whatever, Paul."

That'll do for a start.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Has he got a famous girlfriend? Cor. I imagined he would be married with two very nice children whose haircuts are modelled on his own.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i read that review of 'words and music' in new statesman. it was personal, because morley had said every nme hack after him was a geography teacher or something. now, i'll look to morley to talk about music pre-1985, but this clinging on to the Great Heritage of Rock Writers like morley is parsons-esque and lame. i liked 'select', i think john harris is alright with me. and he was otm in that review. 'words and music' does have a lot of pretentious bollocks in it.

as to

1. Washed-up music hack with nothing to say about music any more looking to make a living for the next 40 years at the expense of better writers who don't happen to be shagging ***** ******.

i dunno who he's shagging but the point is jh isn't writing much about music now -- he doesn't claim to be on the cutting edge at any rate, and has branched out to write about other things. he's not bad at it since he manages to avoid the westminster village gatekeeper pose adopted by almost every other commentator.

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Wrong shagging John, Marcello - Mulv3y shags *****.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

pretentious bollocks > john harris in the same way that l'avventura > cannon and ball are the boys in blue

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

You see, I knew people in Hay-on-Wye didn't "shag" anybody.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

m***** and ***** have been together years and have a kid together and are lovely.

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

there's pretentiuous and pretentious; people who routinely call anything vaguely intellectual 'pretentious' are all wrong; at the same time, champions of pretention use the existence of these obvious philistines to justify any amount of pseudery. 'words and music' is about 1 part insight to 4 parts pretention.

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like *****.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

me too! and *****'s really nice too, despite his bad rep.

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It would be nice to look back and think that the great powerhouses of early 20th Century music criticism all came out of the same Oxford college in the early nineties. John Harris, Tom Ewing, Molloy Woodcraft...(I kind of falls down near the end there.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 September 2005 10:55 (eighteen years ago) link

whassat, queens?

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think of Wadham as the college with the writers/novelists in it (*****, H@r1 K, J1m Fl1nt).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

miller you'll never write anything as good as words and music in your life so cease the jealous hating.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and by ***** ******, i didn't mean that ***** ******.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Also I know his cousin

the scottish one? how the devil is she? not seen her in aeons...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

bollocks, dude, my fkn email footer is better than 'wordsa and music'

haha, i was at wadham.

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think of Wadham as the college with the writers/novelists in it (*****, H@r1 K, J1m Fl1nt).
-- suzy (theartskooldisk...), September 26th, 2005.

dunno who these people are, though.

N_RQ, Monday, 26 September 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

stop pretending to be an american, henry, it ill behoves your gravitas.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 26 September 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

mangan-barton '08

[give them something else to do]

benrique (Enrique), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

really loathe this guy.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
"see? i do like toastin' after all"

vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"French toast please"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"I only bought it to look at my reflection"

vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"where the titties at?"

vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ban Louis Jagger"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"Funniest looking iPod I've ever fucken seen."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Just look at this fucking stupid thing!" said Senor Breville, yesterday

Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"now lots of people say toast is "genius" and "groundbreaking" but have you ever listened to it? john harris has and it's rubbish."

acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i can imagine him referring to himself in third person.

vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"Now Paul Weller does his toast under the grill, so why on earth would anybody want to buy one of these?"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

He's no Giles Hattersley.

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

John Harris, Chris TFI Evans, Mark Sutherland and Lammo = 90s music media planks

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

that's not a very good caption. D+

acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. Halfway through this developed into the single tossiest thread in the history of ILE. Which is going some, as I was saying to some journalist just the other day. Some bloke who was mates with someone who wrote for Vox OTM, possibly.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
load of jizz

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

He seems to be using MCR as a crutch for the idea that current pop bands don't dress up or 'do' pompous? Er.

Hell Hath No Furry (DJ Mencap), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

paul morley to john harris on the late review this week: "John, you're full of Shreck"

jed_, Sunday, 1 July 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i started this thead. he has got huge recently, reporting for newsnight (proper) and stuff. he should seriously stop talking and writing about music.

That one guy that quit, Sunday, 1 July 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

JOHN HARRIS RIP

The tribute thread.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 1 July 2007 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link

His Sgt. Pepper piece in Mojo a few months ago (a cover!) was an atrocity. Liking the record is one thing, going all mouth-agape at the idea that someone might think the Undertones or the Abyssinians made a better one is brutally stupid.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 1 July 2007 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

As if JH's writing wasn't bad enough: hear him spouting it for one minute in his loft.

the pinefox, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Worst thing on current.tv since the last "HERE IS AN EXCITING SHOREDITCH BASED FASHION DESIGNER" pod.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice job, blinky.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone please insert themselves into that video a la Fatal Farm's "Doogie Howser MD" remix.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice to see him supporting the white candidate for a change.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

"now lots of people say toast is "genius" and "groundbreaking" but have you ever listened to it? john harris has and it's rubbish."

-- acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:12 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^^shame this guy hung himself, this is a great post

Dom Passantino, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

well, fortunately i wasn't able to see the vlog, but if he's supporting hillary, fuck him and fuck the guardian.

banriquit, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

He should be supporting Aunt Sally for President hyuk hyuk

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/dec/22/christmas-shopping

Harris at a motorway service station

the pinefox, Monday, 22 December 2008 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8330633.stm

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

He is a paid-up fan of bands it took me until I was 30 to even discover

This after opening two pars talking about how the wee lad hasn’t had to spend any money to hear this music, in contrast to Harris’ five-figure spend?

RAPTOBER (sic), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

A good example: though I've always heard plenty of talk about the utter awfulness of such infamous albums as Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music (a double album of guitar feedback and white noise) or Deep Purple's Concerto For Group And Orchestra (don't ask), I can now listen to them for nothing, and have an opinion of my own.

They're both terrible, incidentally, but that isn't the point. What really matters is the fact that I can so easily tune in - and what that says about a new world of completely risk-free listening.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Who do you want to investigate today: TV On The Radio or Crosby, Stills and Nash? Do you fancy losing yourself in the brilliant first album by Florence And The Machine, or deriving no end of entertainment from how awful The Rolling Stones got in the 1980s? Little Richard or La Roux? White Lies or Black Sabbath?

As one of my music press colleagues use to say, there's no longer any past - just an endless present.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

you post links and quotes don't you

conrad, Sunday, 1 November 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

no

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 2 November 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

He's not the John Harris who runs The People's United Community, is he? They're behaving like nutters in Birmingham.

James Mitchell, Monday, 2 November 2009 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Ugh his "plight of a Conservative" columns are the absolute worst. Like of all the people who deserve sympathy in the country at this moment, it's certainly not paternalistic grandees or garden variety Home Counties xenophobes.

Matt DC, Monday, 15 April 2013 09:12 (eleven years ago) link

can understand why Harris would be down with one nation Tories tbh

life went on, sadly (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 April 2013 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

John Harris

Don't dismiss public fears about migration as bigotry

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link

oh fuck him and fuck everyone who enables him and REALLY fuck every bigoted middle england idiot he's talking about

it's not even about ukip and the daily mail at this point, it drives me mad that so-called liberals tie themselves in such rhetorical knots to prove that ~ordinary people are not racist bigots

when they REALLY REALLY ARE, more than their comedy mouthpieces in the national press and politics could ever dream of being. paul dacre and nigel farage are tolerant lefties compared w/your average somerset villager

lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link

Perhaps those who reduce people’s worries and fears to mere bigotry should go back to first principles, and consider whether, in such laissez-faire conditions, free movement has been of most benefit to capital or labour. They might also think about the dread spectacle of people from upscale London postcodes passing judgment on people who experience large-scale migration as something real.

everything, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link

lol

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link

can't understand how a guy who started out repping for Britpop and New Labour ended up being a reactionary apologist for oh hang on

Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link

lol restricting movement of labour while capital continues to move freely and at speed wd sure be a win for working ppl everywhere

intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link

Capital migration would be fine if it were taxed properly; labour migrants pay tax wherever they happen to land.

I'm so *tired* of all this pursuit of the bigot vote; its effect on everyday life is absolutely toxic. I'd like to quarantine UKIP to whatever 19th hole hell from whence they came. Politicians need to stop pandering to bigots who want A Discussion About Immigration. There could be full employment with a Living Wage and these people would still want to Discuss Immigration.

My central London postcode has rich and poor people in it, from every country you can think of, living mostly happy lives alongside one another. People in upscale (I hate the word 'upscale' FTR) London postcodes are fine with migration and foreigner neighbours as long as a) their kids get places at the same fee-paying schools they went to and b) it's not rich Russians moving in, who make Good Help so Difficult to Find These Days because they're gazumping the available nannies and housekeepers.

resting rich face (suzy), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link

He is so hideous, the sooner he fucking dies the better.

xelab, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:59 (nine years ago) link


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