Kant and Hegel

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Hi. i rarely post here, but I was reading the humanism thread. there was some discussion regarding Hegel. I'm currently trying to get through Kant and Hegel. I'm particularly interested in what people may have to say about Kant's Critique on judgment, and Hegel's notion of the spirit/geist/mind? This is pretty broad, i know, but if anyone can at least help translate this stuff for me, I'd be very happy.

Is beauty synonymous with the aesthetic in Kant?

Benjamin Holland (BillMartini), Monday, 25 April 2005 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

hegel = the blanket thing, right? to get as entry-level as i can, kant believes in um transcendental values: you have the world 'out there', and then judgements upon it. the geist in hegel is what links the world out there to those judgements. if both have a humanist perspective, hegel's innovation is that he sees the human spirit being unfolded in history ('objective idealism'). kant shares that idealism regarding the human and the full realization of its potentialities, but his idealism is 'subjective', separate from the world and the geist.

i think, anyway.

NR_Q, Monday, 25 April 2005 08:11 (nineteen years ago) link

kant: the world out there exists independently of thoughts, but all that inbuilt shit in the human mind which stops you from going mad in a constant sea of sense-perception means you as a human can never actually grasp it - that's why its all perspectival NRQ

fcussen (Burger), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

QED!

N_RQ, Monday, 25 April 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

kant was a douchebag.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i am reading political writings right now. it's interesting. i will report back when i can get through a whole essay without throwing the book across the room. what are you reading benjamin holland? i think we're doing parts of critique of the power of judgment next week. exciting.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i like Cavell's 5 point summary of the critique of pure reason:
(1)Experience is constituted by appearances. (2) Appearances are of something else, which accordingly cannot itself appear. (3) All and only functions of experience can be known; these are our categories of the understanding. (4) It follows that the something else--that of which appearances are appearances, whose existence we must grant--cannot be known. In discovering this limitation of reason, reason proves its power to itself, over itself. (5) Moreover, since it is unavoidable for our reason to be drawn to think about this unknowable ground of appearance, reason reveals itself to itself in this necessity also.
I have a question about Hegel: is the spirit really a human spirit? wherefore all that stuff about the slaughter bench of history?

ryan (ryan), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm reading Critique of Judgement. I'm just struggling with the idea of Aesthetics as something that brings unity to the material and supersensible realms. I can regurgitate alot of what Kant says in his third critique, but it makes little sense to me. Also, with Hegel, I too am really confused about what is the Spirit.

Benjamin Holland (BillMartini), Monday, 25 April 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread title should probably be changed to Aesthetics. I'm also reading some Schiller, trying to determine what differentiates him from Kant so much.

Benjamin H (BillMartini), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhpsvFJCQAAb1HJ.jpg

j., Saturday, 1 March 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link

I Kant believe it

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Saturday, 1 March 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

wau

i love the vision of parenting implied by this

imagining a scene in a made-for-tv movie:

WIFE: i bought something for Cindy

HUSBAND: (quizzical eyebrows) oh?

WIFE: The Critique of Pure Reason.

HUSBAND: (exhales long whistling sound) Wow. Are you sure? Are you sure she can handle the, you know .. .

WIFE: (knowingly) I know, I know, he's a dinosaur trapped in a tacitly racist, sexist moment of intellectual history. I just think the transcendental grounding Cindy's going to get in the antinomies is worth the risk of exposure to those subsequently exploded ideologies vis a vis a the social horizon implicit in its model of personhood / subjective ground.

HUSBAND: (smiling) well, I guess it's time for The Talk.

WIFE: (tearful, yet smiling) it sure is. Our little girl's growing up.

the tune was space, Saturday, 1 March 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link

we have a student who's working on Kant on sex, & it's about as hilarious as Kant gets. iirc the gist is that you should aim for moderation in sex b/c too much sex will tire you out and you won't be able to be productive enough afterwards. or maybe that's the line on gluttony? think it's the same line.

Euler, Saturday, 1 March 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link

Sure you didn't mishear that "Kant"?

Øystein, Saturday, 1 March 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link

:| regrets

Øystein, Saturday, 1 March 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link

apparently Kant used to wank on a tree.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 1 March 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link

or maybe that was a dream I had.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 1 March 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link

Müller
I have, in any case, a troubled relationship to Kant, because at age ten I read Kant for the first time - my father had that lying around - it was the Metaphysics of Morals. And naturally the first chapter I read was the one on onanism. And that disturbed me deeply, because he considered it completely reprehensible and in every respect the worst and the most undignified thing that exists . . .

Kluge
What's his argument for that?

Müller
It's against the laws of nature, against God's will . . .

Kluge
If nature has given human beings the power to procreate, then it's reprehensible not to use it.

Müller
Exactly, that troubled me deeply at that time. And then I was so happy when, years later, I read an anecdote to the effect that Kant supposedly masturbated once a week, or even more often, on the same oak tree in the park where he always took his walks. That reassured me. And from then on I was no longer very interested in Kant.

Kluge
He had been refuted.

Müller
He had been refuted, yes.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 1 March 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link

I hope there's a plaque.
"Der Onaniebaum des Kant.
Bitte nicht berühren."

Øystein, Saturday, 1 March 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Hegel: how will you look at someone when it's time to kill them? #theworst #teamkant

it's a boy!, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 02:15 (nine years ago) link

apparently Kant used to wank on a tree.

― Merdeyeux, Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:24 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^neglected post

ogmor, Monday, 23 June 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

or even more often

j., Thursday, 16 October 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link

kant q:

general logic : transcendental logic :: (propositional and first-order predicate logic as taught in intro courses???) : ?????????

(maybe that's the wrong place to put modern logic, or the wrong way to distribute it across the terms of the analogy??

j., Friday, 17 October 2014 00:33 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

Kant can suck it. Has anyone ever read Robert Brandom's book on Hegel? Thoughts?

http://www.pitt.edu/~brandom/spirit_of_trust_2014.html

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 28 August 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

https://twitter.com/Kantye_West

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

*Announcement today at @faznet*

“The philosopher Klaus Vieweg (Jena) has found in the archives of @ebmuc five crates of transcriptions of lectures that Hegel held in Heidelberg. Hegel held his first professorship in Heidelberg teaching there from 1816 to 1818. The 1/3 pic.twitter.com/gGwjUhQ66E

— Jason Maurice Yonover (@JasonMauriceY) October 28, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 October 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link

Great, more Hegel bootlegs

jmm, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link

– “In the hierarchy of the means used to express the absolute, religion and culture in the wake of reason hold the highest degree, well above that of ass”

Hegel

| (Latham Green), Friday, 28 October 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link

https://www.filco.es/uploads/2022/03/Kan-y-la-paz-perpetua.jpg

mark s, Friday, 28 October 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

nudge nudge wink wink

| (Latham Green), Friday, 28 October 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link

Option Votes
Offbeat Bare Ass 2

ꙮ (map), Friday, 28 October 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link

DASEIN ASS

| (Latham Green), Sunday, 30 October 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0aiPgNgXOI

jmm, Sunday, 30 October 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link

sometimes a philosopher just needs to let the beard do the talking for him

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 30 October 2022 21:29 (one year ago) link

loved her in "Knocked Up"

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 30 October 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link

Great, more Hegel bootlegs

Stealin’ dis

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link

whisper sweet Hegel into your lover's ear at night

| (Latham Green), Monday, 31 October 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

I liked this chatty intro to Hegel - not that I'll ever read him

I loved this "intro" to Hegel. https://t.co/iF1sNa12xC

— Rakesh Bhandari (@postdiscipline) April 9, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 April 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link

I am more Hegelian than Hegel

treeship., Sunday, 9 April 2023 22:37 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

pic.twitter.com/52x6m3wvpn

— Revista Hénadas (@revistahenadas) December 22, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 December 2023 15:47 (four months ago) link


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