Katrina's aftermath

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It's really about time for a separate thread on all this, what's happened looks to be a pretty monstrous event. It's also been affecting ILXors -- adam/hexenduction and his g/f and pet are safe, they left for Dallas on Saturday, but he's not sure if where he lives has been destroyed. Meanwhile, there's still no word from Fetchboy since the storm hit [he's now checked in and safe --mod], but here's what he had to say beforehand:

we just finished boarding up the windows over here. it's a two story brick house right next to the mississippi river. the levee (which we can see through the back door) is about 25 ft. high and we're about as far away as can be from the lake on the east bank (the lake is gonna cuase the real flood problems). Also, this is one of the highest points in the area. it has never come close to flooding (including during hurricane betsy), and is usually the first suburb to get water pumped away, due to its inhabitants' affluence. we've got about 20+ gallons of water, shitloads of emergency supplies, non-perishable foods, and lots of beer (not that we're treating this like a hurricane party, but we're probably gonna be stuck here for a while with nothing to do after the storm).

The fact that there's still no full sense of the damage gives an idea of how miserable this situation is. But the burst levee and the flooding of much of New Orleans is catastrophic, while the other coastal cities to the east in Mississippi and Alabama have been hit hard. 68 deaths have been reported and the number will rise.

Best collection of bloglinks is probably still the one here via AboutLastNight.

Red Cross donations can be made here.

Post news, thoughts, updates as they happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Some selections from that CNN story I linked that gives a further sense of things:

[N.O. Mayor] Nagin said both both New Orleans airports are underwater and there would be no electricity in the city for four to six weeks. Natural gas leaks have been reported throughout town, he said.

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In New Orleans' central business district, Karen Troyer Caraway, vice president of Tulane University Hospital, said water at the facility was initially rising at the rate of a foot an hour and had reached the top of the first floor.

"It's dumping all the lake water in Orleans Parish," Caraway said. "It's essentially running down Canal Street. We have whitecaps on Canal Street."

"We now are completely surrounded by six feet of water, and are about to get on the phone with FEMA to start talking about evacuation plans," Caraway said. "The water is rising so fast, I can't even begin to describe how fast it is rising."

Caraway said she didn't know whether any pumps had been turned on to pump the water, but said, "they're not going to be able to compete with Lake Pontchartrain."

Tulane hospital has moved its emergency room to the second floor, Caraway said. It has been on emergency generator power for the last 24 hours, but if water continued rising rapidly, that power will be lost, swamping the power source.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

One blogger's reports on the storm as it came in near LSU.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Kyle makes a good point about the relative safety of Uptown. He should be ok--just without water, electricity, Internet or anything fun for a while. I'm worried about how long we'll be stuck in Dallas. Dallas = teh suck.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Most crucially.

WATCH: CNN/Money: Katrina closes 123 Wal-Marts

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

If that's their major economic news instead of the oil, they are completely insane.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Slew of messages from people affected, posted via the BBC. Some of the stories are harrowing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

corresponding ILE thread:
It's North Atlantic/East Pacific Hurricane Season!

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

If that's their major economic news instead of the oil, they are completely insane.

Actually it is -- as of 12 noon.

• 'Significant' death toll in New Orleans | WATCH
• Survivors 'screaming for help' | WATCH
• Washington moves to help Katrina's victims
• Huge relief effort under way | WATCH
• CNN/Money: Katrina closes 123 Wal-Marts
• CNN/Money: Oil hits record near $71 | WATCH
• CNN/Money: Katrina disrupts air travel
• U.S.: Air strikes flatten insurgent safe houses
• GM recalls 804,000 pickups, SUVs

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

President Bush returning to Washington two days ahead of schedule to help oversee Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts, White House announces. Details soon.

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/s/sunsetridetheme.jpg

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The Times-Picayune staff is evacuating.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

T-P EVACUATING

unfortunate way to put it. (sorry.)

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard from any of our friends, some of whom live near the Quarter or checked into hotels there, and some of whom live in the 9th ward.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

My best to all your friends, Jordan. This image suddenly made it all chillingly clear for me:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/weather/0508/map.new.orleans/images/super.new.orleans2.map.gif

As does this:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/08/29/GR2005082900046.jpg

That latter from this story. Selections:

The damage to the 17th Street Canal and its levee means that the water from Lake Pontchartrain is now free to flow down to inundate hundreds of thousands of homes and other buildings here.

Once it flows in, the water will not drain from New Orleans because of the very levees that protect the city and that largely held during the hurricane. Those levees, built to keep water out, are now keeping the water in, and reports from across the city indicate that water levels are rising.

Authorities plan to use helicopters to drop 3,000-pound sandbags into the breach in the damaged levee, the Associated Press reported. The breach is said to be about 200 feet long. There were reports Tuesday that other levees may also have given way in the hours since the storm passed.

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At the Superdome, designated by Mayor Ray Nagin as one of 10 refuges of last resort for people who were unable to evacuate, National Guard troops allowed dozens of refugees to sleep on the walkway surrounding the huge building as conditions inside deteriorated, but authorities refused to let them leave.

As many as 10,000 people took shelter in the Superdome starting Sunday when Nagin ordered the mandatory evacuation of the city. As the hurricane struck Monday morning, the high winds tore off much of the outer skin covering the Superdome's 9.7-acre roof and punched two holes clear through it, allowing rainwater to leak in.

By Tuesday, bathrooms were filthy, trash barrels were overflowing and stadium aisles and steps were slick with humidity because of the lack of air conditioning since the power failed during Katrina's onslaught. Under those conditions, some of the refugees were allowed to take their bedding out onto the concourse to cool off and breathe some fresh air.

One group was dismayed to hear on a newscast that authorities in suburban Jefferson Parish were not allowing residents to return until next Monday, the Associated Press reported. The group groaned, and one woman cried.

"I know people want to leave, but they can't leave," said Gen. Ralph Lupin, a National Guard commander at the Superdome, the AP reported. "There's three feet of water around the Superdome."

Doug Thornton, a regional vice president for the company that manages the Superdome, said two people have died there, the news service reported. He did not provide details.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Also a story on the gas/oil impact. Stratfor, in a post on the other thread, noted that there could be disastrous consequences on that front and we might be seeing it begin.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

My girlfriend and I have a vacation coming up at the end of September, we're thinking of going down to New Orleans to help out if possible.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the french quarter seems to be managing okay because of the topography and since it's on the opposite side of town from the pontchartrain levee.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

it's just been reported that a man jumped to his death from the superdome.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

oh no

Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

a question about all the looting going on: where are they going to PUT all the stuff they're taking?

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

people are stealing electronics!!

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The WWL blog Tep has linked first is v. good for running info. Right now:

Martial Law in effect in Jefferson Parish and Plaquemines Parish. 60 percent of homes in Plaquemines Parish under water.

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A spokeswoman describes Jefferson Parish as a "very dangerous" place. Jackie Bauer says there's gas leaks everywhere, water needs to be boiled, there's no commercial power, no pumping stations and the water's toxic.

And there's still some deep water in some neighborhoods. Bauer says there are other dangers -- snakes in the water, other vermin, loose dogs and cats everywhere. She says -- quoting now -- "We kind of have to fight for survival with them."

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Entergy reports 1.1 million outages in Mississippi and Louisiana.

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Two dead in Slidell in rising waters after attempting to get back to their homes. The victims had initially evacuated.

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The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port did NOT suffer major damage as a result of Hurricane Katrina. And a port official says the flow of oil could resume within "a matter of hours" once its power supply is restored.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.drudgereport.com/flood.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm assuming my one cousin's place on the east side is trashed. haven't heard anything about chalmette, where some other relatives live.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Nola.com is reporting that the French Quarter is starting to flood.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

there's nowhere for the water to flow out of the city -- the river and lake are at capacity.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep seeing mentions of trying to plug the breaks in the levees with 3000 pound sandbags, which I presume they're getting in as fast as they can. But it honestly sounds way too much like too little, too late.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Interesing -- I was just coming to post that people in the Quarter -- who have no access to the internet or television but are phoning people who do -- are reporting that water is being pumped into the relatively dry Quarter:

She said something about the fact that since the French Quarter was not flooded [2-3 feet of water], they are now pumping the flood water out of other places and into the quarter. High political scandal looming over how the aftermath is being handled, so Liz imparted.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

My friend Tony and I spoke at work back on Sunday about looing; We were astonished that no one had really started to yet. Logically, all the electricity is going to be cut off, everything is going to flood, and the tapes are all going to be destroyed. If you're poor, and you're stuck in your home for what sounds to be perhaps the next month and a half, without any chance of even GOING OUTSIDE, yeah, big surprise that there is looting.

edit: Its not that its being pumped; there's no pumps to begin with. The water is just settling to lower points. Its going to keep moving towards the Superdome for awhile, for instance, until it reaches the same level as the lake (assuming the water from the levee breaks isn't stopped).

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post -- I think that last part could put it mildly. I'm resisting Monday morning quarterbacking in favor of simply wondering how whatever plan that was in place was put into work, especially given the cascade of conditions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're poor, and you're stuck in your home for what sounds to be perhaps the next month and a half, without any chance of even GOING OUTSIDE

that's not going to happen. the coast guard is going to rescue and evacuate as many people as it can, and the ones who aren't rescued will die.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

You can't quite see it on Ned's Grief picture, but those blobs down the bottom right are the *roofs* of houses. We're using it over the full page tomorrow, because it's just horrifying.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Its not that its being pumped; there's no pumps to begin with. The water is just settling to lower points.

I know, but the people in the Quarter don't know the pumps are out, of course.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

watching Nightline last night, they re-ran a snippet of an interview with a fellow who was discussing how they needed to build a 25-foot wall around a large part of New Orleans, in case of such an event. Costly, of course, but not as costly as this. The interview ran five years ago to the day.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know where Fetchboy lives in relation to all this?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

>that's not going to happen. the coast guard is going to rescue and evacuate as many people as it can, and the ones who aren't rescued will die.<

Well, consider that as part of the looters vision. Shit, if you're gonna die, might as well get some stuff first. I know that if I was going to die, and I was trapped in a house surrounded by sewage, gas, and oil, running through some increasingly deep water for some free smokes and some nice clothes to die in wouldn't be such a horrible idea. Not like anyone is going to miss it.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the nytimes noted in an editorial today that the senate nixed $70 mil in money for the army corps of engineers' new orleans district recently. way to go.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Some good news closer to the gulf...

HOUMA -- Winds in excess of 100 mph tore through Terrebonne Parish on Monday morning, damaging homes and ripping down trees and knocking out electricity, but saw little flooding, Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Jerry Larpenter said.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, consider that as part of the looters vision. Shit, if you're gonna die, might as well get some stuff first. I know that if I was going to die, and I was trapped in a house surrounded by sewage, gas, and oil, running through some increasingly deep water for some free smokes and some nice clothes to die in wouldn't be such a horrible idea. Not like anyone is going to miss it.

i'm still not seeing the logic of stealing tvs and the like. how are they going to watch them?

but i guess if you can get a small radio and some batteries you can listen to the news...

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

y'know this "deep inside the mind of a looter" stuff really isn't all that fascinating, sorry.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

A sentence like "New Orleans is 80% flooded" goes right by me until I see a picture like the ones above. I just can't comprehend it.

On a lighter side, someone mentioned Shepard Smith and the "none of your fucking business" answer he got from a NOLA native. Here's a link from crooksandliars.com.

Much better than that is this CNN late-night weatherman, who apparently had been on the air for too many hours.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

fucking stubborn new orleanians just don't grok the meaning of "mandatory evacuation"! well, hopefully they do now.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

>i'm still not seeing the logic of stealing tvs and the like. how are they going to watch them?<

If you survive, you get a TV. One that was probably going to be completely annhilated by 10 ft of water. Just hope that it doesn't reach the second level of your home, assuming you have one.

>but i guess if you can get a small radio and some batteries you can listen to the news...<

Looking through websites, I know two of the TV stations are off the air completely with their transponders destroyed. Everyone else fled town while they had the chance. Plus that giant bridge is down too. Its a mess.

(edit: it was pretty disturbing to see the WWIT folks run off, apparently after one was told about her family and the other ran to a copter. they were replaced during a replayed bit in about a minute with little actual explaination)

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Denise Bollinger, a tourist from Philadelphia, stood outside and snapped pictures in amazement.

"It's downtown Baghdad," the housewife said. "It's insane. I've wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not."

not the best time to judge, really...

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

also, send some of that water to baghdad; they could use it.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone seen any international coverage of this? BBC or anyone else?

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

BBC's been running it as their top story on the news site since Sunday.

Here's an older story from the Times-Picayune speculating on what could happen if 'the big one' hit. More than slightly prescient.

The debris, largely the remains of about 70 camps smashed by the waves of a storm surge more than 7 feet above sea level, showed that Georges, a Category 2 storm that only grazed New Orleans, had pushed waves to within a foot of the top of the levees. A stronger storm on a slightly different course -- such as the path Georges was on just 16 hours before landfall -- could have realized emergency officials' worst-case scenario: hundreds of billions of gallons of lake water pouring over the levees into an area averaging 5 feet below sea level with no natural means of drainage.

That would turn the city and the east bank of Jefferson Parish into a lake as much as 30 feet deep, fouled with chemicals and waste from ruined septic systems, businesses and homes. Such a flood could trap hundreds of thousands of people in buildings and in vehicles. At the same time, high winds and tornadoes would tear at everything left standing. Between 25,000 and 100,000 people would die, said John Clizbe, national vice president for disaster services with the American Red Cross.

"A catastrophic hurricane represents 10 or 15 atomic bombs in terms of the energy it releases," said Joseph Suhayda, a Louisiana State University engineer who is studying ways to limit hurricane damage in the New Orleans area. "Think about it. New York lost two big buildings. Multiply that by 10 or 20 or 30 in the area impacted and the people lost, and we know what could happen."

Hundreds of thousands would be left homeless, and it would take months to dry out the area and begin to make it livable. But there wouldn't be much for residents to come home to. The local economy would be in ruins.

The scene has been played out for years in computer models and emergency-operations simulations. Officials at the local, state and national level are convinced the risk is genuine and are devising plans for alleviating the aftermath of a disaster that could leave the city uninhabitable for six months or more. The Army Corps of Engineers has begun a study to see whether the levees should be raised to counter the threat. But officials say that right now, nothing can stop "the big one."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

so how many folks have evacuees showing up in town? the local red cross has processed at least 324 folks as of yesterday, which along with folks in other cities kinda throws some doubt on the whole FEMA "we're not flying them out 'cuz they don't wanna go" thing...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm doing some work on friday and monday with the nyc office of emergency management, who are receiving/processing evacuees and helping them get settled here. i'll post more tomorrow.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

This is what happened here.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Only Texas has more evacuees than here in Arkansas.

It's really something. Trying to rush because I'm late for work and passing a Blazer with Louisiana plates, a family inside - the wife in the passenger seat looking at a map - well, it certainly can humble ya.

It's a new running joke around here: Some car poking along in the way on the street, turning suddenly without a blinker, and we get all riled up before we see the La or Miss plates. Then all is forgiven.

The other day, a good Christian co-worker stopped himself from saying "Godddamn" by exclaiming GOD -blessLouisiana!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Fetchboy -

Seal Beach is just one town over from my old stomping grounds in Belmont Shore so if you need any ideas give me a shout.

Seal Beach is kinda out of the way, but since you're without wheels at the moment, your best bet to get around would be to take the OCTA #1 bus to the Long Beach VA hospital and switch to the Long Beach Passport A or D bus to downtown Long Beach and then you can get the Blue Line train to downtown LA or Hollywood.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to hear you checking in Fetchboy -- hope all is well, take Elvis's advice to get around. Might be worth it to get an OCTA bus pass for a week, two weeks or however long you figure you'll be there. Drop me a line at my e-mail; also contact Gear, who mentioned he might have connections to help you with. Remy mentioned to me he might be able to scare up something as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

they wanted me to volunteer during tomorrow night's graveyard shift at the local receiving desk at the shelter, but no one's been showing up after midnight, so they're going to shut down that area from midnight to 8.

They still gave me some training on how to register folks, so i might just wander in for a bit over the weekend.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

More survivor stories:
http://citypages.com/databank/26/1294/article13694.asp

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

More craziness, from the hurricane experts of Idaho!

The Associated Press
IDAHO FALLS, Idaho – An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack — and that this technology will soon be wielded again to hit another U.S. city.

Meteorologist Scott Stevens, a nine-year veteran of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, said he was struggling to forecast weather patterns starting in 1998 when he discovered the theory on the Internet. It's now detailed on Stevens' Web site, www.weatherwars.info, the Idaho Falls Post Register reported.

Scientists discount Stevens' claims as ludicrous.

"I have been doing hurricane research for the better part of 20 years now, and there was nothing unusual to me about any of the satellite imagery of Katrina," said Rob Young, a hurricane expert at Western Carolina University in Cullowhee, N.C. "It's laughable to think it could have been manmade."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002508576_webkatrinatheory20.html

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack

cool!

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

British food aid going unused due to mad cow fears

"We are not saying these MREs are unfit or unsafe. We're saying they don't meet the importation standards, and they are being set aside."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and for the proper perspective, here's the Daily Mirror's take on it

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thats a shame, but I guess if the UK meat import laws still stand, it'd have to be so I suppose :(

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the red cross is saying that every dollar being donated to them for katrina relief is being spent on katrina relief.

that should ease some people's minds, but now that i've actually seen firsthand just how pitiful their individual aid packages are, i'm rethinking all the nice things i've said about the organization.

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been thinking that so much of our national disaster relief infranstructure(at all levels) needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt from the top down.

We've been thru so many of these things and communications technology has improved so much that we can do this all better.

but it won't. At least they're making some noise in our city up in the Pacific NW that "hey, when the Big One finally hits, we might be completely fucked."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, I've been reading all the Seattle Times articles on the viaduct collapsing and so forth.

I bought one of those shake-for-2-minutes flashlights the other day. Bring on the Seattle earthquakes, I'm prepared with my little shake-powered-LED-flashlight!

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm wondering if i should get one of them aluminum rowboats and a coupla oars, keep it in the detached garage of the house i'm renting here.

i live at the top of a hill, but ya never know.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm wondering if i should get one of them aluminum rowboats and a coupla oars, keep it in the detached garage of the house i'm renting here.

in portland?!?!?? you're insane bro!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

why not? i can row around the willamette when i'm bored. take water samples to see how junky it still is.

but yeah, i'm far more likely to die in an earthquake, or by one of our local prominent volcanoes decides to wake up again...

but ya never know.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

When you live in an area that you know is likely to have hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, or any other natural disaster being prepared is a must. While I realize that some of you are joking about things and that is sometimes a good way of handleing stress, the fact remains that if you disreguard the warnings and think that nothing can happen to you then you are just plain STUPID.

I heard on the news just this morning that approx 75% of the whites on N. O. and 65% of the black had vehicles according to the last cencus. I blamed everyone at the time because I thought no one cared enough to provide transportation for the poor etc. to get out of harms way but now I find that most of them choose to stay. This doesn't take any of the responsibility off the local officials that did not provide any transportation for those who did not have a way out. I can't help but feel some would have left if they could.

People become to laid back about their safety because they have not experienced things like hurricanes etc. Living in Florida all my live I have seen and been through many. I do not and will not stay if anything more than a cat 2 is coming through. I live in Okeechobee, Fl. and we too have a levy that sourrounds Lake Okeechobee and almost everyone knows this levy will not hold should a Cat 3 stall over the lake. Anyone living near the lake who doesnot evacuate puts their lives in danger and in the hands of GOD.

FlMoonshadow

Florida Native, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed. Pity I was asleep that day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a PS to my above post.
It was also reported that over 100 thousand claims have been submitted to insurance companies for cars flooded by Katrina in New Orleans. So this says to me that many people had a way to leave but choose to stay. Of course like all news we have to take many things with a grain of salt until we find out the true facts. The numbers may be scewed but it does seem there were many who just plain chose to stay in the face of such a destructive storm.

Fl. Native

Florida Native, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

It was also reported that over 100 thousand claims have been submitted to insurance companies for cars flooded by Katrina in New Orleans. So this says to me that many people had a way to leave but choose to stay.

I doubt many families evacuated the city using all the vehicles in their household. This is just one reason why you're talking crazy talk.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It was also reported that over 100 thousand claims have been submitted to insurance companies for cars flooded by Katrina in New Orleans. So this says to me that many people had a way to leave but choose to stay.

it's possible some people carpooled. there was probably a lot of traffic getting out of the city.

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

In the realm of LESS crazy talk, Elvis T and I visited Fetchboy at his current spot in Long Beach -- very good feller and we probably overwhelmed him with tons of advice and suggestions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

You seem to be missing the main points of my post.

1. There were many many people who stayed because the choose to stay.

2. There were people forced to stay who had no way out because there was no transportation provided for them.

Florida Native, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

interesting new yorker article on mississippi's gulf coast:

GONE WITH THE SURGE
by PETER J. BOYER
An always anomalous section of the South prepares to reinvent itself.
Issue of 2005-09-26
Posted 2005-09-19

Mississippi is among the red states, which supported President Bush in the last election, and the Mississippi coast, which is where I grew up was the most pro-Bush region of the state. When Bush visited Biloxi, on the Friday after Hurricane Katrina, he was greeted warmly by friendly politicians, including the state’s two United States senators, Trent Lott and Thad Cochran, who are Republicans; and Governor Haley Barbour, an old friend, who was the head of the Republican National Committee from 1993 to 1997. Barbour thanked Bush for coming, and, as the President picked his way along streets littered with the splinters of destroyed houses, he encountered hurricane victims who actually seemed glad to see him. One man assured Bush that he had survived Hurricane Camille, in 1969, “and we’ll go through this storm.” New Orleans was Bush’s next stop, and he seemed almost to dread having to leave Mississippi, for all its wreckage. “You know, there’s a lot of sadness, of course,” he told reporters. “But there’s also a spirit here in Mississippi that is uplifting.

My guess is that the President could sense in Biloxi, Gulfport, and other coastal towns something of Midland, Texas, a boom-and-bust oil town that, unlike New Orleans, was forever reinventing itself, with an eye on the next big deal and, more important, a capacity for finding opportunity in misfortune. In Midland, disaster is an oil bust; on the coast, it’s a direct hit from a once-in-a-lifetime storm. Now the coast has endured two in thirty-six years.

In a place where hurricanes are the local calamity, one might expect history to have a tenuous grip. On the coast of Faulkner’s Mississippi, the past was a treasured, if superficial, asset — an adornment more than a way of life. The coastline was strikingly beautiful, not only for its stark white beaches but also for its fine old houses, many of them painstakingly maintained antebellum structures, situated along the twenty-five miles of beachfront between Pass Christian and Biloxi. These were summer homes, built by Delta planters and wealthy New Orleans merchants and their successors, and they lent the coastal Highway 90 an aspect of elegance, like a grand esplanade. The best known of them was Beauvoir, a building in the raised cottage style, which was the final residence of Jefferson Davis. After Davis’s death, it was operated as a home for Confederate veterans, and in the nineteen-fifties it became a museum.

Beneath the coast’s moonlight-and-magnolias veneer was a restive spirit that reflected both a heterogeneous population and the fevered ambition that occasionally seizes small-time tourist centers. By the fate of geography, the coast had its own sociology, unbound by the feudal arrangements that locked much of the rest of Mississippi into its melancholy past. The alluvial soil of the Mississippi Delta fostered an agrarian culture of fabulous wealth and aristocratic conceits, which depended upon the labor of slaves and, later, of freed blacks effectively consigned to indenture. The soil in the southern portion of the state, from the piney woods down to the coastal plain, was sandy, meagre stuff, incapable of growing much more than scrub. Nor were there vast marshes, like those which sustain the rice plantations of lowland Carolina, or cane fields, as in Louisiana. Although Mississippi has been a black-majority state through most of its history, blacks are distinctly a minority in the south, particularly along the Gulf Coast.

The people of the coast were formed by the maritime influences of the Gulf: first, when the French made Biloxi the capital of eighteenth-century French Louisiana (before New Orleans); and, later, when the seafood industry attracted an ethnic mix that was sharply distinct from the Mississippi norm. The warm waters of the Gulf, rich in oysters, shrimp, and marketable fish — snapper, Spanish mackerel, speckled trout — supplied a seafood industry based in Biloxi that boomed in the early part of the last century, with the arrival of railroad refrigeration. Canneries and seafood factories sprang up all along Biloxi’s waterfront, and the demand for labor was met by Slavonian immigrants, dislocated by the First World War, and by Cajuns, forced from Louisiana by failures of the sugarcane crop. The new workers inhabited a world that was more Steinbeck than Faulkner. They lived in shotgun houses provided by the companies that owned both the boats, which were crewed by the men, and the canneries, which were worked by the women and children. These Biloxians lived in neighborhoods like Point Cadet, the edge of land that curled into the Back Bay, and developed a culture, and even a manner of speech — a clipped sort of Cajunized Southern English — that was unique.

The coast’s fishing industry, along with its tourism ambitions, shaped a population that was diverse, and ever open to the next big prospect. A new development boom or foolproof tourism strategy was always on the way, and in the meantime the impulses of the present were generously indulged. The Mississippi coast of my youth was constantly being “cleaned up” by crusading authorities, politicians (backed by church groups) who would raid the night clubs and underground casinos and make a show of dumping slots and pinball machines into the Back Bay. Yet eventually the gracious highway would once again bear the interested back to the Peacock Club and other vice and clip joints. Our psychic tides were pulled equally by New Orleans and the Bible Belt. We had Catholics and revellers, and a Mardi Gras celebration that was older than the one in New Orleans, but we inhabited a state that was ruled by Southern Baptist mores.

The last once-in-a-lifetime storm to strike the Mississippi coast was Hurricane Camille, which came ashore at Pass Christian the night of August 17, 1969 — Woodstock weekend for the rest of America. Camille, still the strongest recorded hurricane to strike the continental Unite States, bore hundred-and-ninety-mile-per-hour winds and dropped swarms of tornados all along the coast and for miles inland. Camille was, for anyone who lived through it, the gauge by which all other storms are measured. I remember Camille, though, as something of an adventure partly because I missed the worst part of it. My father and I were returning home to Gulfport from California, and didn’t arrive until the day after the storm. Coming into town from the north on Highway 49, we were stopped just outside Gulfport at a military checkpoint, established to keep all but local residents out of the area. Inside the perimeter, I saw scenes of such wreckage, a sort of perfect disorder, that they remain in my mind’s eye still. Freighters had been tossed over Highway 90, snakes dropped from the trees, making you flinch when you saw a downed wire and there were even carcasses of dead cows that had apparently blown in from Cat Island, one of the barrier islands to the south. More than hundred and forty people had been killed on the coast, and scores more inland. I was in high school then, and helped with the cleanup some, ill-advisedly taking up a chainsaw, but mostly my friends and I took advantage of the extended summer vacation (and were annoyed that water skiing in the bayou was banned). The Federal Emergency Management Administration did not yet exist, although I’m fairly certain that Senators John Stennis and James Eastland managed to direct a decent portion of the federal budget Mississippi’s way. President Nixon came to town for what seemed like five minutes, and, the next thing I knew, it was New Year’s Day and Ole Miss was playing Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl (Archie Manning’s Rebels 27, Razorbacks 22). What I mainly remember is an overriding sense that we were a community that lived in hurricane alley, and that Camille was an extreme example of an indigenous feature.

Communities briefly halted new beachfront construction, until more rigorous codes were adopted, and then the coast leaned into reconstruction and, eventually, recovered, actually living up to the local boosters’ vow to raise up a community that was “better than ever!” The annual hurricane seasons came and went, bringing some minor storms and a few frights, but, like coastal people everywhere, locals mostly chose to stay put and ride the storm out. I’ve long since left the coast, the last member of my family to go, although I still consider it home. I’d hoped to visit next month, to celebrate the ninetieth birthday of Jacob Guice, a retired lawyer and the patriarch of one of the region’s most respected families. On Sunday, August 28th, as Katrina grew (briefly) to a Category 5 hurricane, I learned that Jacob and his wife, Jo, had evacuated to Birmingham. Four days later, I left for the coast, detouring through Birmingham, where I was joined by Jacob’s son Billy Guice, who currently runs the family law firm, in Biloxi. We loaded an S.U.V. with a generator and thirty-five gallons of spare gasoline, and headed south.

Billy’s brother-in-law, Charles Clark, had shown us aerial photographs of the coast that he had downloaded from a government Web site. Judging from the computer images, the Guices’ family home, a Mediterranean villa in Ocean Springs, on the Bay of Biloxi, appeared to have survived. The house belonging to Danny Guice, Jacob’s brother and a former mayor of Biloxi, wasn’t where it was supposed to be; no structure at all was visible on his property. The photographs didn’t reveal the fate of Billy’s law office or his new home on the water in Ocean Springs, which he had built according to the strictest specifications of the hurricane code.

As we approached the coast, thirty or forty miles above Mobile on Interstate 65, we began to see indications of the recent passage of a huge storm, just as my father and I had as we came into Gulfport in the summer of 1969: pine trees felled in clumps and bent at opposite angles, billboards stripped clean of their ads, and road signs twisted backward. Closer to Mississippi, we saw marquee ads promoting coming attractions at the casino resorts on the coast (Merle Haggard, Meat Loaf, Wayne Newton).

The casinos were built after Camille, and were made possible, in part, by a slump in one of the principal local industries, shrimping Beginning in the late nineteen-seventies, there had been an influx of Vietnamese, mostly boat people and other refugees. The area was naturall suited to the newcomers, who found a familiar climate and familiar work — fishing. They took jobs in the seafood factories that many of th traditional Biloxians had abandoned, but when they began to run their own boats they were seen as unwelcome competition. The Vietnames worked unheard-of hours at an astonishing pace, many living with their families on their boats, and they employed fishing methods that cause locals to worry that the shrimp beds were being overharvested. Most of the Vietnamese also received some government assistance as part of federal resettlement program, fuelling the notion that they were being granted an unfair advantage. There were some confrontations, and a few incidents (though nothing like the violence that erupted among fishermen on the Texas coast), but by the end of the eighties the Vietnamese had become an accepted part of the community. They moved into the shotgun homes of the Point and Back Bay, and opened restaurants alon Howard Avenue on the east end of town, and the shrimp industry remained central to the coast’s identity. In the late eighties, however competition from shrimp farms in Asia depressed market prices, and the local economy clearly needed a boost.

The casinos that followed were an unmistakable indication of the coast’s willingness to distinguish its particular character from the state’s Bible Belt mores. In the past decade and a half, gambling has transformed the area, mainly through the seemingly quixotic efforts of a man named Rick Carter, who is a client of Billy’s and was a schoolmate of mine in Gulfport. After an early career in the clothing business, Carter and two partners, Terry Green and William (Si) Redd, a Nevada slot-machine tycoon, bought a small forty-year-old cruise ship and renamed it the Pride of Mississippi, in the hope of conducting “cruises to nowhere” — gambling excursions into international waters beyond the Mississippi Sound. In 1989, the men persuaded the Mississippi legislature to allow gambling on boats cruising along the shore. It had been an audacious quest, given that Mississippi’s politics were (and are) so deeply influenced by religious conservatives. (Mississippi was the last state to vote to repeal Prohibition, in 1966, and some counties are still dry.) Lottery initiatives were regularly defeated. In the late eighties, though, the unemployment rate was high, and prospects for a turnaround in shrimping and the other principal industry, timber, were low.

The following year, a Natchez legislator proposed a bill that would allow gambling cruises on riverboats along the Mississippi. Then began one of the legendary episodes in Mississippi back-room politics. Sonny Meredith, a state representative who was a powerful committee chairman, concluded that, if gambling cruises would be an economic benefit to river towns, then gambling boats that operated while docked in a town — his own Delta city of Greenville, for example — would be even better. Meredith changed the language in the bill, secured its passage by obscuring the changes, and sent the legislation on to the state senate. Gambling opponents had more than enough votes to kill the bill. But State Senator Tommy Gollott, an old up-from-the-Point Biloxi pol, reportedly persuaded ten Delta senators to absent themselves from the vote (most of them claiming a sudden stomach ailment), and the measure passed. Within months, dockside gambling had found its way to the coast as well.

Rick Carter’s small-boat operation went in and out of bankruptcy, was sold and bought back, and was eventually named the Copa Casino, and docked at the port of Gulfport. Meanwhile, other gaming interests, including big players from Nevada, realized that there was nothing in the state statutes limiting the size of a gambling boat, and they began to construct casinos on huge barges, docking them in semi-permanent positions and building parking structures, theatres, and hotels that were essentially part of the boat. By 2002, there were a dozen casinos on the coast, and Carter’s Copa was the only boat in the conventional sense. Cramped and dimly lit, the Copa was prized by the locals for its liberal slot machines and raffish ambience, but Carter and his partners eventually yielded to market pressures and moved the Copa’s operations to a behemoth barge.

The rise of the gaming industry in Mississippi has been perceived as both a benefit and a bane. The presence of a fleet of huge, neon-lit floating casinos presented an obvious, if ill-considered, complication in the event of a big storm. I remember hearing of various contingency plans (including moving the boats into the Mississippi River or taking them out into the Gulf and sinking them), but the governing policy essentially amounted to mooring them tight and hoping for the best. The casinos also made for an incongruity to the drive along Highway 90, with gracious homes on the north side of the road and the likes of mammoth faux pirate ships parked to the south. Yet the casinos have been an economic boon, paying taxes that account for close to ten per cent of the entire state budget — $335 million in 2005, and that figure does not include revenue from associated businesses, such as hotels and restaurants. Mississippi was long accustomed to last place in most economic and social indicators, but in the five years between 1992 and 1997 its service industries led the nation in revenue growth and job creation. Upward of fifty thousand jobs were created by the gambling industry, bringing a wave of immigration from Mexico and the Caribbean. Biloxi’s school district, which occasionally was so financially strained that students had to share textbooks, now receives additional revenues of six million dollars a year, has a new, state-of-the-art high school and a new football stadium, and provides two sets of books for each student (one set for home, one for the classroom).

Billy and I saw a number of fishing boats as we entered Mississippi, some of them safely moored in back waterways, some wrecked an beached. On the Interstate 10 bridge over the Pascagoula River, the eastbound lanes were closed, because a barge had slipped its moorings an slammed into the concrete-and-steel pilings supporting the bridge. Ocean Springs was a few miles ahead. On the trip down, I’d asked Bill whether his view of life on the coast had been shaped by surviving Camille. Billy was twenty-two, about to begin his first year at Tulane La School, when Camille hit. His grandfather W. L. Guice, a lawyer active in Democratic politics who was a friend of F.D.R.’s and seconded hi nomination in 1932, had lived in a beachfront home that was swept away by the storm. The old man, a widower, survived, and moved in wit one of his children, but his family felt that after Camille he gave up. “He didn’t ever start to rebuild,” Billy recalled. “He sort of took to his bed and started the dying process. It just took him three years to get there
“For me, I think, personally, if you lived through Camille you realize it’s just all stuff, you know?” he said. “So all I’ve got this time is a little more stuff.”

The family’s first concern, expressed in hushed conversations in Birmingham, was for Jacob and Jo’s old stucco house on the bay. The worry was that losing his home might hasten the end for Jake, as it had for his father. For all of us, that house was a kind of symbol for the comeback after Camille. When the Guices bought the place, after the storm, it was in an advanced state of disrepair. But the house was solidly built, and behind it was a long, rickety pier that stretched out into the bay. Each evening after leaving the office, Jake, without bothering to loosen his tie, would head straight to the pier with his fishing gear. He had joined the Marines after graduating from Yale Law, in 1939, and had come back from the war with only one eye. He didn’t like to acknowledge it, but his balance was sometimes unsteady, and Jo worried that one day he would walk right off the pier into the bay.

Now the pier was gone, along with the boathouse where Jake kept his gear. Miraculously, the house was relatively unscathed. A few of the heavy Spanish tiles were missing from the roof, some trees were down, and the live oaks were brown, as if they’d been scorched.
In the neighborhood where Billy lived, though, nearly every home was either completely destroyed or so badly damaged that it might as well have been destroyed. As we crept along the cluttered road toward the point of land where he’d built his house, the trees were filled with the detritus of the storm, plastic bags and fragments of clothing, even a chair. The pines, each bearing a broad gash about twenty-five feet above the ground, described the course of the storm surge as it pushed through, slashing the trees with debris. It was apparent that most of the damage had been caused by water. Survivors who had stayed or made their way back had painted messages on the big plywood sheets they’d nailed over their windows before the storm. The messages gave street addresses and insurance-policy numbers—“We R OK. 6612 Riviera. State Farm Insurance”—and many described missing dogs.

Billy’s house was gone. All that remained was the foundation, portions of the frame, and a swimming pool. As we picked our way through the rubble, Billy conducted a tour of the place, in a tone approaching dispassion: “This was the garage. Over there was a guest house.” After such a storm, few objects retain their familiar form, and the eye reflexively darts to those that somehow appear as they should. We found a bottle of Chardonnay standing upright, still intact, just a couple of feet from a huge chunk of granite countertop that had been lifted and tossed from some distance away. “All this was glass,” Billy said, gesturing to what had been his living-room windows, which, overlooking the bay, had afforded an unobstructed view of the casinos on the far shore. “There were decks around there, and it was all glass. And everything had that same view, and at night you had this rainbow of colors.”

Billy’s truck was smashed, and his small sailboat was nowhere to be seen. Before we left, he pointed out one of the precautions he’d taken against a storm: the hurricane straps still attached to the frame of his former guest house. The straps survived; the roof they were supposed to hold down was spread somewhere over Jackson County.

Our next stop was Biloxi, where the roads were covered with sand and a trooper with his search dog walked amid the rubble of what appeared to have been a motel. Some streets were blocked by debris, making long, crooked work of what had been a straightforward drive to Billy’s law office downtown, in a building on Water Street — so named, Billy said, after an inundation from a storm in the middle of the last century. As I drove, looking for the street, Billy suddenly said, “Stop here.”

“Aren’t we going to try to find the office?” I asked. The area was torn up, and I had no idea where we were.

“There it is,” he said. We were at the building’s entrance, facing away from the Gulf, and there had been so much damage that we couldn’t enter. We walked around to the Gulf side, and saw there would be no problem entering — the building’s entire rear wall was gone. The place, like all of what had been downtown Biloxi, had the sickly-sweet smell of waterlogged rot and death. But Billy seemed pleased. “Structurally, it looks O.K.,” he said. An air-conditioning unit the size of a meat truck had fallen from the roof of a sixteen-story building next door. A small parking garage had been swept away, leaving a hole with several smashed cars in it. Billy ventured into his office building and returned with a Presidential portrait inscribed to his grandfather by F.D.R.

We tried to make our way west on Highway 90 toward Gulfport, but we hadn’t got very far when the highway became so buckled and broken that we were obliged to turn back. Traffic — mostly locals trying to get home — was being directed by a team of officers from the state fish-and-game authority, who had been called in from counties up north. When I showed one of the officers my press pass, he offered, unbidden, the fact that “we have no body count.” Any number of dead seemed credible, as we made our way along the coast, past whole communities, such as Point Cadet, in Biloxi, that were simply no longer there, but we saw no corpses.

Even if, as initially seemed likely, New Orleans had been spared by this storm, Katrina would probably have ranked as this country’s most destructive storm ever. In the days and weeks after Camille, it was at least possible to imagine the coast eventually recovering its essential character. Although most of the historic houses along the strand were damaged by Camille, they stood; neighborhoods were recognizable. It is not so easy to imagine a return to normal now. Beauvoir is gutted. The Tullis House, an 1856 brick Greek Revival structure in Biloxi, was destroyed, as were the Gillis House, the Brielmaier House, and many more. I doubt if any high-school kids today are enjoying the disruption.

When we reached Gulfport, I spotted the First Baptist Church, which had been completed the year before Camille and had weathered it whole; now it was a wreck, run through by the surge. The old Hancock Bank Building, where my father, on his first day in town, walked in and cashed a check for a hundred dollars without any local identification, was still standing, but the last house we lived in, near downtown, was gone. The state port in Gulfport, where some of us used to get day work in the summer unloading banana boats, was demolished, the Dole container units crumpled together in a corner. One of the buildings that remained was, aptly enough, the Riemann Funeral Home; the front doors were open and there was much activity. Two refrigerated tractor-trailer units were parked out front.

Turning to leave downtown as the 6 p.m. curfew approached, we saw a casino barge sprawled across the road, like a pink beached whale. It was Rick Carter’s Copa Casino.

As we drove on, Billy was already imagining the new coast. The destruction of the port, he said, was not necessarily a bad thing. “It could be a benefit. That could be one of the things they can argue: Give us another billion dollars, and give us a real port now to help us come back. Le us dock a cruise ship here, and give the casinos a reason to stay.
There is every indication that the casinos, having established the Mississippi coast as a gambling and entertainment destination — the hard part — mean to stay. Owners have announced that they will keep paying their employees, and some have invited them back to work — on cleanup, for now. The leverage is with the casino industry — a fact to which the state’s political structure awakened when a major revenue stream suddenly stopped. Governor Barbour may soon call a special legislative session to consider allowing the industry to build fixed structures on land. Gary Loveman, the president of Harrah’s Entertainment, which owns two casinos on the coast, says the old insistence on waterway gambling was a political device that has lost its charm. “When people look back at this period and read that we decided casinos should sit in boxes that float on rivers and sit in water,” he told the local Sun Herald, “they’ll scratch their head and say, ‘What good did that do?’”

In the back neighborhoods away from the water and the downtowns, the buzz of chainsaws had been going all day, as people cleared their properties and streets. We passed a Vietnamese family that had nearly managed to clean up their yard; the mother, kneeling, sorted through fragments of household effects. Behind her, the house, missing its front and most of its roof, was barely standing. Billy’s brother Jakie was planning to build a vast trailer park to handle the anticipated influx of construction workers needing short-term housing. Billy had spent much of the day on his cell phone, contacting his employees and organizing a temporary office in Ocean Springs.

“The Gulf Coast will be coming back,” Billy said. “But nothing will be the same. The storm changed the economics of property investment. My property, I think, has some value as a potential site. Now, I think you get three or four properties, and you’ve got a helluva project.”

He was willing to turn that beautiful spot on the water into a condo site?

“I think the coast is capable of becoming interesting economically,” he said. “But it’ll never come back into something that we knew. That’s gone.”

I asked if the local communities could zone the beachfront in a way that would salvage some portion of the area’s history.

“Why zone the historical district if there’s no history left?”

Billy Guice was beginning to see all kinds of opportunities. “You do a high-rise condominium,” he said. “This storm just means you don’t have to clear off the site.”

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Published on Thursday, September 22, 2005 by The Nation (October 10, 2005 Issue)

Blackwater Down
Fresh From Iraq, Private Security Forces Roam the Streets of an American City With Impunity

by Jeremy Scahill

The men from Blackwater USA arrived in New Orleans right after Katrina hit. The company known for its private security work guarding senior US diplomats in Iraq beat the federal government and most aid organizations to the scene in another devastated Gulf. About 150 heavily armed Blackwater troops dressed in full battle gear spread out into the chaos of New Orleans. Officially, the company boasted of its forces "join[ing] the hurricane relief effort." But its men on the ground told a different story.

Some patrolled the streets in SUVs with tinted windows and the Blackwater logo splashed on the back; others sped around the French Quarter in an unmarked car with no license plates. They congregated on the corner of St. James and Bourbon in front of a bar called 711, where Blackwater was establishing a makeshift headquarters. From the balcony above the bar, several Blackwater guys cleared out what had apparently been someone's apartment. They threw mattresses, clothes, shoes and other household items from the balcony to the street below. They draped an American flag from the balcony's railing. More than a dozen troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stood in formation on the street watching the action.

Armed men shuffled in and out of the building as a handful told stories of their past experiences in Iraq. "I worked the security detail of both Bremer and Negroponte," said one of the Blackwater guys, referring to the former head of the US occupation, L. Paul Bremer, and former US Ambassador to Iraq John Negroponte. Another complained, while talking on his cell phone, that he was getting only $350 a day plus his per diem. "When they told me New Orleans, I said, 'What country is that in?'" he said. He wore his company ID around his neck in a case with the phrase Operation Iraqi Freedom printed on it.

In an hourlong conversation I had with four Blackwater men, they characterized their work in New Orleans as "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals." They all carried automatic assault weapons and had guns strapped to their legs. Their flak jackets were covered with pouches for extra ammunition.

When asked what authority they were operating under, one guy said, "We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security." Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary." The man then held up the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck. Blackwater spokesperson Anne Duke also said the company has a letter from Louisiana officials authorizing its forces to carry loaded weapons.

"This vigilantism demonstrates the utter breakdown of the government," says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. "These private security forces have behaved brutally, with impunity, in Iraq. To have them now on the streets of New Orleans is frightening and possibly illegal."

Blackwater is not alone. As business leaders and government officials talk openly of changing the demographics of what was one of the most culturally vibrant of America's cities, mercenaries from companies like DynCorp, Intercon, American Security Group, Blackhawk, Wackenhut and an Israeli company called Instinctive Shooting International (ISI) are fanning out to guard private businesses and homes, as well as government projects and institutions. Within two weeks of the hurricane, the number of private security companies registered in Louisiana jumped from 185 to 235. Some, like Blackwater, are under federal contract. Others have been hired by the wealthy elite, like F. Patrick Quinn III, who brought in private security to guard his $3 million private estate and his luxury hotels, which are under consideration for a lucrative federal contract to house FEMA workers.

A possibly deadly incident involving Quinn's hired guns underscores the dangers of private forces policing American streets. On his second night in New Orleans, Quinn's security chief, Michael Montgomery, who said he worked for an Alabama company called Bodyguard and Tactical Security (BATS), was with a heavily armed security detail en route to pick up one of Quinn's associates and escort him through the chaotic city. Montgomery told me they came under fire from "black gangbangers" on an overpass near the poor Ninth Ward neighborhood. "At the time, I was on the phone with my business partner," he recalls. "I dropped the phone and returned fire."

Montgomery says he and his men were armed with AR-15s and Glocks and that they unleashed a barrage of bullets in the general direction of the alleged shooters on the overpass. "After that, all I heard was moaning and screaming, and the shooting stopped. That was it. Enough said."

Then, Montgomery says, "the Army showed up, yelling at us and thinking we were the enemy. We explained to them that we were security. I told them what had happened and they didn't even care. They just left." Five minutes later, Montgomery says, Louisiana state troopers arrived on the scene, inquired about the incident and then asked him for directions on "how they could get out of the city." Montgomery says that no one ever asked him for any details of the incident and no report was ever made. "One thing about security," Montgomery says, "is that we all coordinate with each other--one family." That co-ordination doesn't include the offices of the Secretaries of State in Louisiana and Alabama, which have no record of a BATS company.

A few miles away from the French Quarter, another wealthy New Orleans businessman, James Reiss, who serves in Mayor Ray Nagin's administration as chairman of the city's Regional Transit Authority, brought in some heavy guns to guard the elite gated community of Audubon Place: Israeli mercenaries dressed in black and armed with M-16s. Two Israelis patrolling the gates outside Audubon told me they had served as professional soldiers in the Israeli military, and one boasted of having participated in the invasion of Lebanon. "We have been fighting the Palestinians all day, every day, our whole lives," one of them tells me. "Here in New Orleans, we are not guarding from terrorists." Then, tapping on his machine gun, he says, "Most Americans, when they see these things, that's enough to scare them."

The men work for ISI, which describes its employees as "veterans of the Israeli special task forces from the following Israeli government bodies: Israel Defense Force (IDF), Israel National Police Counter Terrorism units, Instructors of Israel National Police Counter Terrorism units, General Security Service (GSS or 'Shin Beit'), Other restricted intelligence agencies." The company was formed in 1993. Its website profile says: "Our up-to-date services meet the challenging needs for Homeland Security preparedness and overseas combat procedures and readiness. ISI is currently an approved vendor by the US Government to supply Homeland Security services."

Unlike ISI or BATS, Blackwater is operating under a federal contract to provide 164 armed guards for FEMA reconstruction projects in Louisiana. That contract was announced just days after Homeland Security Department spokesperson Russ Knocke told the Washington Post he knew of no federal plans to hire Blackwater or other private security firms. "We believe we've got the right mix of personnel in law enforcement for the federal government to meet the demands of public safety," he said. Before the contract was announced, the Blackwater men told me, they were already on contract with DHS and that they were sleeping in camps organized by the federal agency.

One might ask, given the enormous presence in New Orleans of National Guard, US Army, US Border Patrol, local police from around the country and practically every other government agency with badges, why private security companies are needed, particularly to guard federal projects. "It strikes me...that that may not be the best use of money," said Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

Blackwater's success in procuring federal contracts could well be explained by major-league contributions and family connections to the GOP. According to election records, Blackwater's CEO and co-founder, billionaire Erik Prince, has given tens of thousands to Republicans, including more than $80,000 to the Republican National Committee the month before Bush's victory in 2000. This past June, he gave $2,100 to Senator Rick Santorum's re-election campaign. He has also given to House majority leader Tom DeLay and a slew of other Republican candidates, including Bush/Cheney in 2004. As a young man, Prince interned with President George H.W. Bush, though he complained at the time that he "saw a lot of things I didn't agree with--homosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act, those kind of bills. I think the Administration has been indifferent to a lot of conservative concerns."

Prince, a staunch right-wing Christian, comes from a powerful Michigan Republican family, and his father, Edgar, was a close friend of former Republican presidential candidate and antichoice leader Gary Bauer. In 1988 the elder Prince helped Bauer start the Family Research Council. Erik Prince's sister, Betsy, once chaired the Michigan Republican Party and is married to Dick DeVos, whose father, billionaire Richard DeVos, is co-founder of the major Republican benefactor Amway. Dick DeVos is also a big-time contributor to the Republican Party and will likely be the GOP candidate for Michigan governor in 2006. Another Blackwater founder, president Gary Jackson, is also a major contributor to Republican campaigns.

After the killing of four Blackwater mercenaries in Falluja in March 2004, Erik Prince hired the Alexander Strategy Group, a PR firm with close ties to GOPers like DeLay. By mid-November the company was reporting 600 percent growth. In February 2005 the company hired Ambassador Cofer Black, former coordinator for counterterrorism at the State Department and former director of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, as vice chairman. Just as the hurricane was hitting, Blackwater's parent company, the Prince Group, named Joseph Schmitz, who had just resigned as the Pentagon's Inspector General, as the group's chief operating officer and general counsel.

While juicing up the firm's political connections, Prince has been advocating greater use of private security in international operations, arguing at a symposium at the National Defense Industrial Association earlier this year that firms like his are more efficient than the military. In May Blackwater's Jackson testified before Congress in an effort to gain lucrative Homeland Security contracts to train 2,000 new Border Patrol agents, saying Blackwater understands "the value to the government of one-stop shopping." With President Bush using the Katrina disaster to try to repeal Posse Comitatus (the ban on using US troops in domestic law enforcement) and Blackwater and other security firms clearly initiating a push to install their paramilitaries on US soil, the war is coming home in yet another ominous way. As one Blackwater mercenary said, "This is a trend. You're going to see a lot more guys like us in these situations."

Jeremy Scahill is a correspondent for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now! He can be reached at jeremy(at)democracynow.org

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 23 September 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

that there ain't too much surprise in the crazy ultrareligious conservative gun-freaks coming from michigan. The west half of the state is filled with these people.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 September 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

My brother-in-law is in New Orleans moving art out of someone's house. He says he hears automatic gunfire all night long, though the National Guard aren't around.

Thea (Thea), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack

Meanwhile, an Alabaman weatherman claimed Iranian scientists used a Libyan orgone accumulator to cause the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989 in the Bay Area of California in the name of Allah.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_259121855.html

Soldiers & Marines are reporting incidents of paranormal activity in the abandoned city.

But the men in uniform have the feeling that they're not alone. It prompted a chaplain to utter this directive: "In the name of Jesus Chris, I command you Satan to leave the dark areas of this building."


Y'know, one of my middle school science teachers(one with a fancy for storytelling and who grew up in Ireland) talked about how one of the reasons that America didn't have more ghost reports could be because our buildings tend to only be about 50 years old before we trash them.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
REVIVE!!
I'm back in New Orleans. I've actually been back for about a week now only without phone or internet, but that's been remedied.

I went out to the Halloween celebration on frenchman last night, which was much less crowded than usual, but it felt great to see a lot of familiar faces. it gave me a little more hope that the city will rebound. drum groups and djs/bands playing on street corners.
there were a lot more tourists than usual, or at least i assume so by the number of people that weren't dressed up. i don't know, is tourist the right word to use for relief workers in this setting?

anyway, it's still really eerie in town. just driving down to frenchman last night i was spooked to find that the interstate exit i usually take to get to the quarter was completely dark. no traffic lights, no street lights, no car lights, nothing. driving down elysian fields in the dark on halloween knowing that the area has about as much bad karma as an indian burial ground was more than enough fright that i needed for the night.

a few days ago i visited the house of some good friends in lakeview, an area that got hit hard by the flooding. the area just looks like a moonscape. everything is the same dull brown. i tried to salvage some stuff from their house, some cds, a drum set that's now fitting for tom waits, and some other odds and ends. i had spent about as much time at this house as i had at my own over the past year, playing music, making movies, taking hallucinogens, and just hanging out. just the state of the floor alone was enough to make the place unrecognizable. it looked like an earthquake had hit the house. i took some pictures, which i'll post as soon as i can.

i plan to try to get some work on a kevin costner film up in shreveport some time in the next week, but i'll definitely be staying in new orleans for a while other than that.

and thanks again to ned and chris for visiting me while i was in LA. it was a much needed mental health break for me.

anyway, it's great to be back on ilx. i feel so out of the loop.

does anyone know whatever happened to adam?

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

and thanks again to ned and chris for visiting me while i was in LA. it was a much needed mental health break for me.

You're welcome! Glad to hear everything is going OK

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Seconded! A pleasure to meet you, wish it could have been better circumstances.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

:) :)

Adam has posted here. I think he and his s/o are either back in NOLA or are still in Dallas. They relocated to Dallas before Katrina hit.

Adam?

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought they went out to Virginia or something...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

talking to him on slsk right now.
he's in Maryland with his gf.
his place was fine but her's got the roof blown off so...
they'll be moving back in December thankfully.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
they deserved it

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

White people don't loot, by the way. They "find bread".

-- Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:55 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk34/feministing/kiabobbiecompareheadlines.jpg

and what, Thursday, 24 July 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Katrina's Hidden Race War

Algiers Point has always been somewhat isolated: it's perched on the west bank of the Mississippi River, linked to the core of the city only by a ferry line and twin gray steel bridges. When the hurricane descended on Louisiana, Algiers Point got off relatively easy. While wide swaths of New Orleans were deluged, the levees ringing Algiers Point withstood the Mississippi's surging currents, preventing flooding; most homes and businesses in the area survived intact. As word spread that the area was dry, desperate people began heading toward the west bank, some walking over bridges, others traveling by boat. The National Guard soon designated the Algiers Point ferry landing an official evacuation site. Rescuers from the Coast Guard and other agencies brought flood victims to the ferry terminal, where soldiers loaded them onto buses headed for Texas.

Facing an influx of refugees, the residents of Algiers Point could have pulled together food, water and medical supplies for the flood victims. Instead, a group of white residents, convinced that crime would arrive with the human exodus, sought to seal off the area, blocking the roads in and out of the neighborhood by dragging lumber and downed trees into the streets. They stockpiled handguns, assault rifles, shotguns and at least one Uzi and began patrolling the streets in pickup trucks and SUVs. The newly formed militia, a loose band of about fifteen to thirty residents, most of them men, all of them white, was looking for thieves, outlaws or, as one member put it, anyone who simply "didn't belong."

The existence of this little army isn't a secret--in 2005 a few newspaper reporters wrote up the group's activities in glowing terms in articles that showed up on an array of pro-gun blogs; one Cox News story called it "the ultimate neighborhood watch." Herrington, for his part, recounted his ordeal in Spike Lee's documentary When the Levees Broke. But until now no one has ever seriously scrutinized what happened in Algiers Point during those days, and nobody has asked the obvious questions. Were the gunmen, as they claim, just trying to fend off looters? Or does Herrington's experience point to a different, far uglier truth?

Over the course of an eighteen-month investigation, I tracked down figures on all sides of the gunfire, speaking with the shooters of Algiers Point, gunshot survivors and those who witnessed the bloodshed. I interviewed police officers, forensic pathologists, firefighters, historians, medical doctors and private citizens, and studied more than 800 autopsies and piles of state death records. What emerged was a disturbing picture of New Orleans in the days after the storm, when the city fractured along racial fault lines as its government collapsed.
Herrington, Collins and Alexander's experience fits into a broader pattern of violence in which, evidence indicates, at least eleven people were shot. In each case the targets were African-American men, while the shooters, it appears, were all white.

The new information should reframe our understanding of the catastrophe. Immediately after the storm, the media portrayed African-Americans as looters and thugs--Mayor Ray Nagin, for example, told Oprah Winfrey that "hundreds of gang members" were marauding through the Superdome. Now it's clear that some of the most serious crimes committed during that time were the work of gun-toting white males.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link

that story is fucked and probably all true. algiers point sucks and is home to the single worst bar full of white people that i have ever been to.

the hundreds of "looters will be shot" signs that appeared everywhere in the days before hurricane gustav were disturbing. i'm not sure that posting a sign gives one free rein to murder people but i am no lawyer.

adam, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link

word

(what bar are you talking about adam?)

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link

This type of shit makes me madder than the Hulk

the most disgusting savage on earth imo (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

(old point bar)

adam, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone repost the photo of Tom DeLay and that little boy.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:54 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...

never forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaej_HbaqZU&feature=youtu.be

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link

You could say Alden McDonald triumphed over adversity, too. Today he runs the country’s third-largest black-owned bank, according to the Federal Reserve. But despite his personal success, McDonald is still focused on the eastern half of that map that he marked up at our first meeting. There, the recovery is far from complete — and in some areas things are worse than before the storm. In this frustration, he represents what might be called the black Katrina narrative, a counterpoint to the jubilant accounts of Landrieu and other New Orleans boosters. This version of the story begins by noting that an African-American homeowner was more than three times more likely than a white one to live in a flooded part of town. Where Landrieu sees black and white coming together, many African-Americans recollect a different New Orleans: rifle-carrying sheriffs and police officers barricading a bridge out of an overwhelmed city because they didn’t want the largely black crowds walking through their predominantly white suburbs; a white congressman overheard saying that God had finally accomplished what others couldn’t by clearing out public housing; a prominent resident from the Uptown part of the city telling a Wall Street Journal reporter that in rebuilding, things would be ‘‘done in a completely different way, demographically, geographically and politically’’ — or he and his friends weren’t moving back.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/why-new-orleans-black-residents-are-still-under-water-after-katrina.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-3&action=click&contentCollection=Magazine®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article&_r=0

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 August 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link

10 years ago right now i was sitting in standstill traffic on I-10. harry lee, who was sheriff of jefferson parish and a local celebrity, came on the radio not to calm people or offer evacuation tips but to let everyone know that his birthday party, planned for that evening, had been postponed.

adam, Friday, 28 August 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

ten years and one day, actually--i left early, partially to try and avoid traffic but also because i was totally happy for an excuse not to go to work that day (expecting to be home on monday like everyone else)

adam, Friday, 28 August 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link


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