Katrina's aftermath

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The U.S. also has "In God We Trust" on its money. Just because Lucy and Ricky slept in seperate beds didn't mean that Ricky, Jr., was an aberration.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the reason we had god on our money & in the pledge of allegiance was because they were put there in the 1700s and we never changed them. There's a difference between leaving 'in god we trust' on our dollar bills & to actively creating and promoting days of prayer.

lyra (lyra), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank god the Flintstones paved the road by being the first couple on TV to sleep in the SAME BED!

lyra, i've been outta the news loop.. link to the article on prayer day?

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"In God We Trust" was introduced in the twentieth century. Theodore Roosevelt actually lobbied hard against the idea. I couldn't even imagine a president gettting away with that today.

And for every National Day of Prayer that the president proclaims, there's also a National Plastic Bag Suffocation Awareness Week. Big Whoop.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Actually "under God" was added to the pledge in the 50s, and I don't think the pledge was even created yet in the 1700s.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

it was created in the 20s by a socialist. let's get back to katrina, pls.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Teddy Roosevelt was against hurricanes, too.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Katrina, ho!

Bush Pledges to Expedite Aid to Gulf Region; Day of Prayer Is Set

"The government is going to be with you for the long haul," Mr. Bush said in a brief speech at the White House as he and Vice President Dick Cheney tried to counter charges that their administration had reacted slowly and ineffectively to the crisis. The president said that Sept. 16, next Friday, would be designated a national day of prayer and remembrance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-bush.html

also http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4227974.stm

and more:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=katrina+day+of+prayer&btnG=Search+News

lyra (lyra), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to Rush Limbaugh a little today, as I am occasionally wont to do (only to know what the enemy is saying, of course). You could really tell how much he was struggling when even the soundbites he played from Democrats that were supposed to illustrate how "those liberals have gone wacko" actually sounded really reasonable and convincing.

I also love the new Republican song: "Let's Not Point Fingers (It's The Mayor's Fault)"

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess that goes on the political thread though.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

A bit of happy news re: Snowball and crying boy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9255741/

Though it's a bit... unexpected to have this small story at the top of the MSN news bar.

D.J. Anderson, Friday, 9 September 2005 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Ivan exposes flaws in N.O.'s disaster plans
05:09 PM CDT on Sunday, September 19, 2004

By KEVIN McGILL
Associated Press


Those who had the money to flee Hurricane Ivan ran into hours-long traffic jams. Those too poor to leave the city had to find their own shelter - a policy that was eventually reversed, but only a few hours before the deadly storm struck land.

New Orleans dodged the knockout punch many feared from the hurricane, but the storm exposed what some say are significant flaws in the Big Easy's civil disaster plans.

Much of New Orleans is below sea level, kept dry by a system of pumps and levees. As Ivan charged through the Gulf of Mexico, more than a million people were urged to flee. Forecasters warned that a direct hit on the city could send torrents of Mississippi River backwash over the city's levees, creating a 20-foot-deep cesspool of human and industrial waste.

Residents with cars took to the highways. Others wondered what to do.

"They say evacuate, but they don't say how I'm supposed to do that," Latonya Hill, 57, said at the time. "If I can't walk it or get there on the bus, I don't go. I don't got a car. My daughter don't either."

Advocates for the poor were indignant.

"If the government asks people to evacuate, the government has some responsibility to provide an option for those people who can't evacuate and are at the whim of Mother Nature," said Joe Cook of the New Orleans ACLU.

It's always been a problem, but the situation is worse now that the Red Cross has stopped providing shelters in New Orleans for hurricanes rated above Category 2. Stronger hurricanes are too dangerous, and Ivan was a much more powerful Category 4.

In this case, city officials first said they would provide no shelter, then agreed that the state-owned Louisiana Superdome would open to those with special medical needs. Only Wednesday afternoon, with Ivan just hours away, did the city open the 20-story-high domed stadium to the public.

Mayor Ray Nagin's spokeswoman, Tanzie Jones, insisted that there was no reluctance at City Hall to open the Superdome, but said the evacuation was the top priority.

"Our main focus is to get the people out of the city," she said.

Callers to talk radio complained about the late decision to open up the dome, but the mayor said he would do nothing different.

"We did the compassionate thing by opening the shelter," Nagin said. "We wanted to make sure we didn't have a repeat performance of what happened before. We didn't want to see people cooped up in the Superdome for days."

When another dangerous hurricane, Georges, appeared headed for the city in 1998, the Superdome was opened as a shelter and an estimated 14,000 people poured in. But there were problems, including theft and vandalism.

This time far fewer took refuge from the storm - an estimated 1,100 - at the Superdome and there was far greater security: 300 National Guardsmen.

The main safety measure - getting people out of town - raised its own problems.

More than 1 million people tried to leave the city and surrounding suburbs on Tuesday, creating a traffic jam as bad as or worse than the evacuation that followed Georges. In the afternoon, state police took action, reversing inbound lanes on southeastern Louisiana interstates to provide more escape routes. Bottlenecks persisted, however.

Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said he believes his agency acted appropriately, but also acknowledged he never expected a seven-hour-long crawl for the 60 miles between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

It was so bad that some broadcasters were telling people to stay home, that they had missed their window of opportunity to leave. They claimed the interstates had turned into parking lots where trapped people could die in a storm surge.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco and Nagin both acknowledged the need to improve traffic flow and said state police should consider reversing highway lanes earlier. They also promised meetings with governments in neighboring localities and state transportation officials to improve evacuation plans.

But Blanco and other state officials stressed that, while irritating, the clogged escape routes got people out of the most vulnerable areas.

"We were able to get people out," state Commissioner of Administration Jerry Luke LeBlanc said. "It was successful. There was frustration, yes. But we got people out of harm's way."

© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/091904ccktWWLIvanFlaws.132602486.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Got anthrax?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

My company donated 20K to the Red Cross Katrina fund today. I hope it helps. We're not a giant corporation, so it really was a matter of finding the money. We changed over our phone system to a cheaper one to cover that loss over the next year.

I'm going to Houston on business next week, and I think I got the *last* hotel room in the city. Everything is full up, which I think is a good sign.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 10 September 2005 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Check the messages from Scott Cowen, the Tulane President, at www.tulane.edu. You can see his older messages here. In his words, from Sept. 5th, " I am happy to report that our National Primate Center in Covington, La. is already functioning under near normal conditions."

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

another slideshow from somebody on the ground inside the city. Shows what Canal Street is like, the insides of Winn-Dixies, etc.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 10 September 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

In nytimes.com today:

Disarray Marked the Path From Hurricane to Anarchy
By ERIC LIPTON, CHRISTOPHER DREW, SCOTT SHANE and DAVID ROHDE 3:19 PM ET
An initial examination of Katrina's aftermath demonstrates the extent to which the federal government failed to face domestic threats as a unified, seamless force.

http://nytimes.com/2005/09/11/national/nationalspecial/11response.html

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

It's from the Weekly Standard, Labash holds more than a few questionable assumptions in general, etc. Nonetheless -- compelling if fucking grim reading. Sullivan idly noted this part as a telling sign coming from the WS:

In the parking lot outside the hangar sits George Lainart, a police officer from Georgia, who has led a flotilla of nine airboats over land to try to pitch in with the rescue. But his crew has been on the bench for two days, waiting for FEMA to assign them a mission. After making serial inquiries, Lainart is climbing out of his skin, and I later find out that his team circumvented FEMA altogether, got down to New Orleans, and stayed busy for five days straight. Though he shredded his hull by running over asphalt, cars, fire hydrants, and other debris, his crew saved nearly 800 people.

"FEMA was holding up everything, they didn't have a clue," complains Lainart. "They were an absolute roadblock, nobody was getting anywhere with those idiots. Everybody just started doing their own missions." While opinions on the ground differ wildly as to who deserves the most generous serving of blame pie among George W. Bush, Louisiana's governor, and New Orleans' mayor, everyone I speak with agrees that FEMA officials should spend their afterlives in the hottest part of Hell without any water breaks.

The longer Brown stays...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Cheney "backed" removing Brown from duty, no word on removing him.

"Mike Chertoff made those decisions and I certainly support him," Cheney told reporters at the Austin convention center, which is housing about 1,500 evacuees. Some have called for Brown to be fired, but Cheney deferred to Chertoff.


also:

Cheney said the evacuees he spoke to in Texas on Saturday did not raise concerns about the FEMA shake-up but detailed their stories of escaping the devastation.

"Not one of them mentioned any of it," Cheney said in response to a question. "They're all very thankful where they find themselves right now."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

An old-line New Orleanian, he has a true aristocrat's distaste for seeing his name in the paper, so he tells me if I write about him I'll have to use an alias. I settle on "Kingfish," after hearing one of his pals call him that over their radios. "Great," he says to me, when I inform him of his new title. "Name me after Huey P. Long. What a piece of s--he was." While I've always had affection for Louisiana's political scamps, many locals hold that the corruption is a lot more charming when you don't have to live under it.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Uhh, I never come here anymore as life is more appealing but I want to put the word out to any ILX0rs sheltered in TX that we're here if they need help. I've written some private emails but if anyone here knows of friends who need shelter/help/jobs my best email is scastellon @ austin.utexas.edu

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Sunday, 11 September 2005 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ROBERTSON BLAMES HURRICANE ON CHOICE OF ELLEN DEGENERES TO HOST EMMYS
Lesbian is New Orleans native.

Pat Robertson on Sunday said...“By choosing an avowed lesbian for this
national event, these Hollywood elites have clearly invited God’s
wrath,” Robertson said on “The 700 Club” on Sunday. “Is it any surprise
that the Almighty chose to strike at Miss Degeneres’ hometown?”

Robertson also noted that the last time Degeneres hosted the Emmys, in
2001, the September 11 terrorism attacks took place shortly before the
ceremony.

Where is Saladin's army when you need them?

http://datelinehollywood.com/archives/2005/09/05/robertson-blames-hurricane-on-choice-of-ellen-deneres-to-host-emmys/

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

“God already allows one awards show to promote the homosexual agenda,” Robertson declared. “But clearly He will not tolerate such sinful behavior to spread beyond the Tonys.”

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

that's not a quote from the Onion?

badgerminor (badgerminor), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

now, but the original story is funny. not as good as onion writing, etc

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

So I've finally made my way out west and i'm staying in Seal Beach right now. It's an annoyingly uptight area but the ocean's great. I don't have wheels yet but if a promising job opportunity presented itself i could probably rent some for a while.

there are six of us staying in a one bedroom house right now, but we plan to rent a bigger place soon and splitting the rent (possibly more than 6 ways as there are a couple more of our friends considering moving out here). the only problem is that the landlords around here are heartless bastards who will charge 50 dollars per night per person for anyone who spends the night at their properties who aren't signed on to the lease. one even said "we can't have all of new orleans just moving in here. this is a respectable community"

SO... if anyone has any leads on good jobs please drop me an email. i'll be checking my email here at the public library fairly regularly. this is probably a stretch, but if anyone knows a way a brother can get into Foley Arts in this town, let me know. I'm a lot more qualified/interested in starting that line of work than grip/electrician (though please, if you've got any leads there, let me know).

and if i get wheels/employment i'll need to know some cool clubs/bars/shows/whatever to check out so drop me some names plz.

Also, some insider info on Katrina:

My best friend's older brother was working at Charity Hospital until the "national guard" evacuated everyone from that hellhole. I use the quotes because despite what the news claims, he was actually rescued by renegade texas wildlife and fisheries agents who lied their way past FEMA and the national guard in order to help out. until then he had been sleeping on the roof with the rats for 3 hours every night to escape the stuffy cesspool of the hospital interior. The national guard had promised help on tuesday and then on every following day but no help ever came. at one point they told him to have his worse-off patients up on the roof ready to be flown away in helicopters. the helicopters chose instead to rescue comparatively healthy medical staff from the tulane clinic next door. two of his weaker patients died from the stress of being carried up and down the stairs on a stretcher by exhausted hospital workers. He had to treat all of his patients by penlight in oppressive heat, humidity, and stink. he's safe in cincinatti now with some of his family, but he's still fatigued, malnourished, and shell-shocked.

a friend of my dad's stayed uptown during the storm and wasn't rescued until a week after the storm hit. a tree fell on his house and it flooded on monday. during the looting crisis he had to fight for his life on multiple occasions (in hand to hand combat) and during the chaos was separated from his dog Rosco. he was rescued by the coast guard only to find out that his sister and brother, his only family members, had both lost their homes to the hurricane. he might be moving out here with us for a while. we got a message from him this morning that a firefighter from gonzales LA rescued his dog and he's on his way there now for a seriously emotional reunion.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for checking in, man. good luck down there.

one even said "we can't have all of new orleans just moving in here. this is a respectable community"

maybe this is worth publicizing?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

so how many folks have evacuees showing up in town? the local red cross has processed at least 324 folks as of yesterday, which along with folks in other cities kinda throws some doubt on the whole FEMA "we're not flying them out 'cuz they don't wanna go" thing...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm doing some work on friday and monday with the nyc office of emergency management, who are receiving/processing evacuees and helping them get settled here. i'll post more tomorrow.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

This is what happened here.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Only Texas has more evacuees than here in Arkansas.

It's really something. Trying to rush because I'm late for work and passing a Blazer with Louisiana plates, a family inside - the wife in the passenger seat looking at a map - well, it certainly can humble ya.

It's a new running joke around here: Some car poking along in the way on the street, turning suddenly without a blinker, and we get all riled up before we see the La or Miss plates. Then all is forgiven.

The other day, a good Christian co-worker stopped himself from saying "Godddamn" by exclaiming GOD -blessLouisiana!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Fetchboy -

Seal Beach is just one town over from my old stomping grounds in Belmont Shore so if you need any ideas give me a shout.

Seal Beach is kinda out of the way, but since you're without wheels at the moment, your best bet to get around would be to take the OCTA #1 bus to the Long Beach VA hospital and switch to the Long Beach Passport A or D bus to downtown Long Beach and then you can get the Blue Line train to downtown LA or Hollywood.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to hear you checking in Fetchboy -- hope all is well, take Elvis's advice to get around. Might be worth it to get an OCTA bus pass for a week, two weeks or however long you figure you'll be there. Drop me a line at my e-mail; also contact Gear, who mentioned he might have connections to help you with. Remy mentioned to me he might be able to scare up something as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

they wanted me to volunteer during tomorrow night's graveyard shift at the local receiving desk at the shelter, but no one's been showing up after midnight, so they're going to shut down that area from midnight to 8.

They still gave me some training on how to register folks, so i might just wander in for a bit over the weekend.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

More survivor stories:
http://citypages.com/databank/26/1294/article13694.asp

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

More craziness, from the hurricane experts of Idaho!

The Associated Press
IDAHO FALLS, Idaho – An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack — and that this technology will soon be wielded again to hit another U.S. city.

Meteorologist Scott Stevens, a nine-year veteran of KPVI-TV in Pocatello, said he was struggling to forecast weather patterns starting in 1998 when he discovered the theory on the Internet. It's now detailed on Stevens' Web site, www.weatherwars.info, the Idaho Falls Post Register reported.

Scientists discount Stevens' claims as ludicrous.

"I have been doing hurricane research for the better part of 20 years now, and there was nothing unusual to me about any of the satellite imagery of Katrina," said Rob Young, a hurricane expert at Western Carolina University in Cullowhee, N.C. "It's laughable to think it could have been manmade."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002508576_webkatrinatheory20.html

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

An Idaho weatherman says Japan's Yakuza mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge itself for the Hiroshima atom bomb attack

cool!

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

British food aid going unused due to mad cow fears

"We are not saying these MREs are unfit or unsafe. We're saying they don't meet the importation standards, and they are being set aside."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and for the proper perspective, here's the Daily Mirror's take on it

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thats a shame, but I guess if the UK meat import laws still stand, it'd have to be so I suppose :(

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the red cross is saying that every dollar being donated to them for katrina relief is being spent on katrina relief.

that should ease some people's minds, but now that i've actually seen firsthand just how pitiful their individual aid packages are, i'm rethinking all the nice things i've said about the organization.

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been thinking that so much of our national disaster relief infranstructure(at all levels) needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt from the top down.

We've been thru so many of these things and communications technology has improved so much that we can do this all better.

but it won't. At least they're making some noise in our city up in the Pacific NW that "hey, when the Big One finally hits, we might be completely fucked."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, I've been reading all the Seattle Times articles on the viaduct collapsing and so forth.

I bought one of those shake-for-2-minutes flashlights the other day. Bring on the Seattle earthquakes, I'm prepared with my little shake-powered-LED-flashlight!

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm wondering if i should get one of them aluminum rowboats and a coupla oars, keep it in the detached garage of the house i'm renting here.

i live at the top of a hill, but ya never know.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm wondering if i should get one of them aluminum rowboats and a coupla oars, keep it in the detached garage of the house i'm renting here.

in portland?!?!?? you're insane bro!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

why not? i can row around the willamette when i'm bored. take water samples to see how junky it still is.

but yeah, i'm far more likely to die in an earthquake, or by one of our local prominent volcanoes decides to wake up again...

but ya never know.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

When you live in an area that you know is likely to have hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, or any other natural disaster being prepared is a must. While I realize that some of you are joking about things and that is sometimes a good way of handleing stress, the fact remains that if you disreguard the warnings and think that nothing can happen to you then you are just plain STUPID.

I heard on the news just this morning that approx 75% of the whites on N. O. and 65% of the black had vehicles according to the last cencus. I blamed everyone at the time because I thought no one cared enough to provide transportation for the poor etc. to get out of harms way but now I find that most of them choose to stay. This doesn't take any of the responsibility off the local officials that did not provide any transportation for those who did not have a way out. I can't help but feel some would have left if they could.

People become to laid back about their safety because they have not experienced things like hurricanes etc. Living in Florida all my live I have seen and been through many. I do not and will not stay if anything more than a cat 2 is coming through. I live in Okeechobee, Fl. and we too have a levy that sourrounds Lake Okeechobee and almost everyone knows this levy will not hold should a Cat 3 stall over the lake. Anyone living near the lake who doesnot evacuate puts their lives in danger and in the hands of GOD.

FlMoonshadow

Florida Native, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed. Pity I was asleep that day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a PS to my above post.
It was also reported that over 100 thousand claims have been submitted to insurance companies for cars flooded by Katrina in New Orleans. So this says to me that many people had a way to leave but choose to stay. Of course like all news we have to take many things with a grain of salt until we find out the true facts. The numbers may be scewed but it does seem there were many who just plain chose to stay in the face of such a destructive storm.

Fl. Native

Florida Native, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

It was also reported that over 100 thousand claims have been submitted to insurance companies for cars flooded by Katrina in New Orleans. So this says to me that many people had a way to leave but choose to stay.

I doubt many families evacuated the city using all the vehicles in their household. This is just one reason why you're talking crazy talk.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link


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