Indian Pakistan Tensions

I don't think we've ever had a war between two nuclear powers before, which is somewhat disturbing.

Have the Indians issued any kind of ultimatum to Pakistan or anything? Or are they just going to attack them as a way of cheering themselves up?

As I understand it India holds Pakistan responsible for a number of militant Kashmiri groups one of whom is thought to be behind the recent suicide attack on the parliament in Delhi that left 13 dead.

Pakistan condemned the attack and denies any involvement. Hard- line, and not so hard-line, voices in India are calling for action against those they hold responsible holding the recent US military intervention in Afghanistan as a model. Pakistan would view this as an unprovoked attack and respond accordingly.

There has been nuclear sabre-rattling before between the two but never on this scale. Whilst around the disputed border area of Kashmir and Jammu - probably the most dangerous place on earth right now- regularly sees exchanges of gunfire between the two sides.

Hopefully sense will prevail, the alternative is too frightening to contemplate.

also, modern warfare is collossally wasteful of resources, likely to leave survivors in a substantially worse per capita position.

Indeed.

In theory, India and Pakistan have been trying to capture Dawood Ibrahim for about thirty years - he's accused of being the leader of D-Company, India's biggest organised crime ring, and involvement in everything from the 1993 Mumbai terrorist bombings to fixing cricket matches. If the rumours are true, he runs the Hindi film industry, held face-to-face meetings with Osama bin Laden while he was on the run and has the power to make or break politicians on both sides of the border. He has been in the top 3 of Interpol and the FBI's most wanted list on numerous occasions but there has always been the suspicion that Indian leaders and, without doubt, the Pakistani intelligence agencies, don't really want him to be caught as uncovering his reach would bring great tranches of the political class in both countries down. The story has usually been that he's in a shadowy lair somewhere in Pakistan's lawless border region with Afghanistan.

A TV anchor from Times Now, India's main English-language news station, just cold-called him at a home number in Karachi, only to be told by his wife that he was asleep and couldn't come to the phone:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/Dawood-Ibrahim-is-in-Karachi-his-wife-says-to-Times-Now/videoshow/48615588.cms

^apparently. A pinch of salt may be required.

wow, lol at that phone call

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Just a bit of bloody skirmishing and bloody-minded rhetoric -- until it isn't. One hopes that both sides understand that some teeth-baring posturing is OK, but a nuclear exchange is TOTALLY, UNACCEPTABLY, INSANELY WRONG.

Not even bloody - it doesn’t sound like they hit anything, despite Modi’s claims. Locals are apparently saying one person was injured rather 350 killed.

*rather than

Link? I could only find the competing Indian and Pakistani propaganda versions.

5 Israeli GPS bombs, and 4 craters well away from Jaish-e-Mohammed's camp (if we can infer from news). Not a good advertisement for Israeli export sales.

Blurb I heard about this on npr didn’t refer to modhi as a Hindu nationalist and barely mentioned the fact that an election is looming

Definitely worrying

This seems more restive soldiers than planned tit-for-tat:

Pakistan Army Violates Ceasefire Using Tanks in Sialkot Sector

Pakistan says it has shot down Indian jets after Kashmir cross-border attack

Uh oh.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/05/india-revoke-disputed-kashmir-special-status

lol we're all gonna die

what could go wrong