Gary Glitter "could be executed by firing squad"

I think my headline was much better...

desperation and stupidity, I guess. i don't understand myself; but then i'm not a paedophile. i'm very much anti-death penalty but sometimes...

Maybe he's also into S&M. Do sado-masochists like being shot by firing squad? I'm a bit hazy on all this stuff.

The Tel Aviv Symphony finally did Wagner... the art and artist, never teh twain shall meet.

Instead, they will be hanging glitter.

The notorious killer Albert Fish I think said that he was looking forward to the electric chair because it would be 'the ultimate thrill'. Of course we cannot know if he found this to be so.

Aha!

Make sure you get some pictures of this.

01/06/2006 3:34 PM, E! Online
Josh Grossberg

If there's a bright side for Gary Glitter, it's this: He won't be facing a firing squad.

The "Do You Wanna Touch" performer, whose real name is Francis Gadd, was formally charged Friday with committing obscene acts on two girls, ages 11 and 12, at his residence in the southern Vietnamese resort town of Vung Tau.

Prosecutors did not have enough evidence to charge the 61-year-old Glitter with the more serious count of child rape, which carries a maximum penalty of death by firing squad. Instead, the faded British glam rocker now faces the possibility of a three- to seven-year prison term if convicted on the lesser charges.

Glitter has been passing his time in a jail since police collared him in Ho Chi Minh City on Nov. 19 as he attempted to board a flight to Bangkok. He was wanted for questioning after allegations surfaced that he committed "lewd acts" on several minors. Vietnam's age of consent is 16.

During the subsequent investigation, the crooner admitted to authorities that he let an 11-year-old girl sleep in his bed, but denied sexually molesting her. Instead, he claimed he shared his bed with the girl because she was afraid of ghosts. Earlier, Glitter had said he had been tutoring the girls in English.

Prosecutors weren't buying it, though, especially after Glitter's attorney, Le Thankh Kinh, revealed last month that he had paid the families of the two girls $2,000 each "for cooperation" in his legal case.

"After receiving the money, they informed the investigation bureau that they don't want to go to court and they want to drop the case," Kinh told the Associated Press.

Kinh said the girls' families initially demanded $10,000 and $5,000, respectively, before settling on $2,000 each, which is three times the average annual salary in Vietnam.

The payouts sparked outrage from child advocacy groups, who accused the erstwhile pop star of trying to buy his way out of his predicament.

Kinh has tried to get Glitter let out on $40,000 bail, but prosecutor Nguyen Van Xung has told reporters that it would be unlikely because Glitter is considered a major flight risk.

Xung also said that the reason Gadd isn't facing the more serious child rape charge is because one of the girls who displayed evidence of engaging in sexual intercourse told detectives that she had previously done so with a boyfriend.

As for the money paid to the girls' families, Xung said the only way it would affect Glitter's case would be after trial. If convicted, Xung said, a judge might deem the payments a form compensation for the abuse and grant a reduced sentence.

The one-time hitmaker, famed for the sports-friendly anthem "Rock and Roll Part II," previously pleaded guilty in 1999 to 54 counts of possessing kiddie porn in his native England and spent two months in prison and placed on a child sex offender list. Following his release, Glitter turned up in Cuba, then Cambodia before child-welfare activists hounded him out of the country.

Also, it can't be rape because the girl has had sex with someone else once? WTF?

oh yeah

The aging singer, who won fame during the 1970s as a glam rocker with a penchant for bouffant wigs and sequin jumpsuits, has been accused of kissing, fondling, and "engaging in other physical acts" with the girls at his rented villa in the port city of Vung Tau, located about 125 kilometers (78 miles) southeast of Ho Chi Minh City.

Glitter, 61, who has been held in Phuoc Co prison outside the city since he was arrested last November, has maintained his innocence, said his lawyer Le Thanh Kinh.

"He says he has not committed any crime," Kinh said Wednesday. "I will do my best to defend him," though he added it will be "very difficult."

Glitter has said he was teaching the girls English at his home and considered them "like his grandchildren." He has admitted to police that the 11-year-old girl slept in his room because she was afraid of ghosts, but denied inappropriate behavior, his attorney said.

The trial will be closed to the public to protect the girls' identity. However, the verdict will be read publicly on Friday.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Francis Gadd, has been in police custody since Nov. 19, when he was seized in Ho Chi Minh City trying to board a flight out of the country. Police confiscated his laptop, which had hundreds of pornographic pictures on it.

During the criminal investigation, police had considered whether to charge Glitter with child rape, which carries a maximum penalty of death, but said prosecutors did not find enough evidence.

The girls' families wrote to the court in December, asking that charges be dropped altogether after Glitter paid US$2,000 to each of them.

Although prosecutors decided to move forward with the case anyway, under the Vietnamese legal system, the payments are considered "compensation" that counts toward lessening any sentence.

Glitter is perhaps best known for his crowd-pleasing rock anthem "Rock and Roll (Part 2)," which is still often played at sporting events. His career faded after the 1970s, and the platform boots and jumpsuit look he sported at the height of his career is now considered unfashionable.

But Glitter's downfall was triggered in 1997 when he brought his computer to be repaired and thousands of hard-core pornographic images of children were found.

He was convicted in Britain in 1999 of possessing child pornography and served half of a four-month jail term. He later went to Cambodia and in 2002 was expelled from that country, though Cambodian officials did not specify any crime or file charges.

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This saddens me the most. Pedophiles not realizing they are doing wrong = they should never be released. :-(

Very encouraging words from the defending lawyer there.

I rather doubt this is based in a psychological belief that his (presumed) actions were not a crime, nearly so much as his visceral understanding that a confession won't buy him any clemency and his only hope of a defense is to claim innocence and hope it comes out OK in the trial.

The Execution of Gary Glitter just been on C4!

Set in an imaginary Britain in which the death penalty has been re-introduced, this feature-length drama confronts viewers with the possible consequences of capital punishment in the UK

Was it anything other than pure titillation?

brooker had a decent article about it. I gather the answer is no.

Well the fellow playing GG seemed pretty good. I'm surprised they used a real, living, person to base it around.

Gave up after 15 minutes, and watched a repeat of Come Dine With Me.

Is there anything that hasn't got a ready prepared thread on ILX thesedays?

OK, it was a pretty decent stab at alternate reality.

Now?

Is there anyting that can't be ruined by a rubbish bootmix?

I'm surprised they used a real, living, person to base it around.

Wasn't this sort of thing the premise for that Death of a President thing where they fictionally assassinated George W Bush - use a real person for maximum dramatic impact?

wait waht

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President

hahahahahaha I am pretty sure that film would get you arrested in the US

oh man that movie was so corny.

Is there anything that hasn't got a ready prepared thread on ILX thesedays?

Well they (SPOILER ALERT) didn't shoot him.

Interesting reaction on the C4 website, seems mostly anti-death penalty with even a few people saying - I was in favour but after this I'm not, only a few saying "pity it wasn't real lol". The last fifteen minutes were pretty powerful I thought, the actor playing Paul Gadd was excellent, and pro-death penalty home secretary horribly plausible.

rev for the mornin' folks.

I can't imagine how I would respond psychologically if someone made a movie about my hypothetical death

Yeah, that was definitely one of the weirdest things about it. That and the lengths they were prepared to go to shoehorn Glitter into the story (see article by Brooker mentioned above). According to the Mirror yesterday Glitter was considering sueing C4, but it was probably a made up story to get a bit more publicity.

According to the Mirror yesterday Glitter was considering sueing C4

I hope he does and I hope he wins. Horrible, sensational, tabloidy drivel from Channel 4. I don't always agree with Brooker but that article sums up my feelings about this ridiculous programme exactly.

In a similar vein, there was that "Tony Blair tried for war crimes" shite with Robert Lindsay

... also Channel 4?

This thread is probably as good as any to ask: anybody know of any good articles about the treatment of (non-celebrity) child sex offenders in the U.K.? I was having a discussion with someone who claimed the country was some kind of lenient haven for perverts. It was one of those things where I didn't have any conversational ammo one way or the other, ya know?

rev for the mornin' folks.

― Mark G, Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:19 AM Bookmark

I got very confused for a moment when I read this post.

1) "Revive this thread for general discussion, the day after the show broadcast"

or

2) "Here comes the rockin' vicar to take the morning sermon"

actally nevermind. I bet I could find something in a scholarly journal or something.

I was having a discussion with someone who claimed the country was some kind of lenient haven for perverts

Well, yeah, compared to Saudi Arabia maybe.

I don't suppose this guy advanced any evidence for his position did he? Folk like that aren't worth talking to imo.

some kind of lenient haven for perverts

LOL Ben Elton ca. 1985 joke about the Conservative Party

Was he thinking of the church instead perhaps?

LOL Ben Elton ca. 1985 joke about the Conservative Party

LOL Rory Bremner ca. 2009 joke about the Conservative Party

Well, apparently he had watched some TV special about child molestation, but was also influenced by the way the Elton John case was handled.

mind continues to boggle...

What Elton John case?! The adoption thing? Is your friend equating gays adopting with child molestation??

exactly.

No, the child porn thing.

Also, the boy scout thing.

So many "things" to chose from

Well, they're two pretty big things!

Anyway, my point wasn't to try and pick it apart on ilx. I just thought somebody could recommend a little light reading on the matter. It's not like I completely believe the dude based on his citing television as a source and I would still like to return to your country some day to enjoy your landmarks and cultural institutions.

The "child porn thing" was that he owned a Nan Goldin photo!
The boy scout thing I had to look up - apart from the fact that it was 10 years ago - it hardly seems evidence of UK's lax approach to pervs.

Have you seen the photo? Would you post it to this thread?

even if you accept it's child porn, which i don't, it's weak evidence for the uk having any kind of official tolerance for child abuse, because the picture was seized and the exhibition forced to close.

'The boy scout thing' and other tabloid horrors e.g. hen parties dressed as schoolgirls - I don't speak from a position of expertise or anything but, logically speaking, isn't adults dressed as kids the exact opposite of paedophilia?

Actually I have seen the photo. I think it may even be in the big Nan Goldin retrospective available in a bookshop near you. I'm not sure what point there would be of posting it here beyond prurience.

a little light reading on the matter

I'm pretty sure this doesn't exist btw.

by using gary glitter's name and likeness in this i guess they will have to pay GG some kind of loyalty for this programme?

which means because of this programme effectively GG has now got paid for molesting children?

adults dressed as kids

It was teenagers dressed as strippers. Anyway, like I said, I didn't want to pick a fight with the U.K. or nothing. I just wanted some information. I'm going to fuck off for a couple of hours and this thread will have returned to discussing Gary Glitter.

royalty obv.

xpost it's not picking a fight with the uk so much - child abuse investigations are woefully under-resourced by the police over here, for instance - but you're basically accusing elton john of being a paedophile, and given the long history of prejudicial attempts to associate homosexuality with abuse, people are understandably objecting.

did someone here just call nan goldin a child pornographer?

teenagers dressed as strippers

Wow.

It was teenagers dressed as strippers.

It was 18 and 19 year olds, so yeah, teenagers, but also adults. I get that you're not trying to pick a fight with the UK but after about 200 years of our media being pretty obsessed with the idea that we are sinking into some kind of self imposed cesspit of perversion it's not surprising if we get a bit bored of it.

Or...er...what Joe said.

teenagers dressed as strippers

Shocking, what next, the Sun printing pictures of topless 16 year old girls on Page 3?

The police in Newcastle did, essentially! I was at Baltic for the opening the night that they removed the Goldin photo, which had been shown all over the place prior to the seizure, without incdent, so it was possibly a case of cops in search of publicity/trouble (I'm no fan of police as art critics) because on balance they are sensationalist and pig ignorant). The room where it was hung had already been restricted to 18 and over.

front page: GORDON BROWN'S SO CALLED GREAT BRITAIN DESCENDS INTO CHILD PORN HELL

xpost

... AND HE CAN'T EVEN SPELL PAEDOPHILE

actually not enough puns in there. "NUDE BRITANNIA"

xpost

Glad someone beat me to the "18/19-year-olds are adults, dumbass" argument.

A few years ago, The Sun's page three had a feature about their models having "It's their Sixteenth Birthday!! Wor", etcet.

Until someone pointed out that they must have had their photos done while they were still 15.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27720875

Gary Glitter has been charged with eight counts of sexual offences against girls.

The charges relate to two women who were aged between 12 and 14 at the time of the alleged offences between 1977 and 1980.

The former pop star - real name Paul Gadd - is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 19 June.

The Crown Prosecution Service said no further action would be taken over five allegations made by two other people.

Baljit Ubhey, chief crown prosecutor for CPS London, said: "We have carefully considered the evidence gathered by the Metropolitan Police Service."

Mr Gadd, 70, was arrested on 28 October 2012.
Police material

Ms Ubhey said police had been "providing material to the CPS since July 2013, with the most recent material submitted in March 2014".

The charges relating to the first complainant, who was aged 12 or 13 at the time of the alleged offences, are:

Two counts of indecent assault between 31 January and 31 May 1977
One count of administering a drug or other thing in order to facilitate sexual intercourse between 31 January and 31 May 1977
One count of sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 13 between 31 January and 31 May 1977
Two counts of indecent assault between 31 May and 31 December 1977

Charges relating to the second complainant, who was aged 13 or 14 at the time of the alleged offences, are two counts of indecent assault between 1 October 1979 and 31 December 1980.

The fifth grade concert band at my son's school played "The Hey Song" at their spring recital. As a non-sports watcher, my only mental association with this song is that it was written by this dude.

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I've not seen this in a long time, but it seems to be doing the rounds today.

that’s... unfortunate

it's funny because he raped young people.

And "This is the age.. of the Train!"

Actually, there is an excellent documentary based around the Sex Pistols Christmas 1977 charity gig in Huddersfield. At one point they played that ad, and had inserted John doing the payoff line. Very deft, our Julian!

(as opposed to Savile, obv)

if only trump had been president in time to intervene. he’s into defending pedophiles and flexing his muscle around the world

(i hope my sarcasm here is apparent)

The trains I went on back then never looked anything like those Inter-City 125's on the Savile adverts, it was usually dilapidated old rolling stock from the 50's/60's.

Ah, it doesn't seem that long ago we could have re-filmed the on-train scenes from "Hard Day's Night" simply by getting on at Earley Station..