A Question on Shrooms and their Effects

You probly ought to read some proper science or something tho if you're interested.

(anecdotal evidence - one time when i was maybe 17, me and a bunch of people were tripping at our friends huge old victorian house when i started to kinda freak out and have a bad time. so i went upstairs to take a rest. everyone else was in the kitchen, due to the size of the house i was pretty far away from them, down a hall up a flight of stairs across a landing and behind a closed door - and it wasn't a a straight shot either, one had to make a series of turns to get there. my point is it wasn't a good path for sound to travel. when i laid down i could hear everyone in the kitchen clearly speaking in normal conversational tones. i laid there for a while hoping it would go away, but i was way too distracted so i went back downstairs. thinking i was likely just hallucinating, i asked them if they were talking about (i can't remember what they were talking about) and indeed they were. i didn't make a big deal out of asking them, so they weren't fucking w/me; i asked the resident of the house if sound ever traveled weird, it didn't; they had radiators so there's no way for heating ducts to carry the voices - i came to the conclusion that the drugz had given me robot ears.

i've had some similar experiences - one time being able to hear what people a hundred yards away in a park were talking about - of course making me paranoid that they could hear me and were, you know, on to me.)

Well, both, kind of, but primarily the latter. Rattlesnakes can see IR because they have receptors in their eyes to see IR (vs. our three types of cones which allow us to see low frequency [red], mid-frequency [green], and high-frequency [blue] "visible" light). Obv. their brains have to be different from ours as well to process this.

Larger doses made me hallucinate less than they made me ill.

i'm kind of fascinated by how a lot of people need to know what drugs (or other things that act on the body) are "doing to them" physiologically or pyschologically. this implies a lot of faith in science when in truth science can sometimes be just as misleading as personal anecdote.

i'm not advocating drug use for everyone, i'm just saying that the sense of "security" people gain by "knowing" the pathways drugs take, the physiological affects, is kind of misleading. certainly if a drug has long-term effects, these are good things to know, but damn, drugs (prescription and otherwise) are a huge industry full of years of conflicting research.

i guess what i'm saying is make sure your sources are good, that other people have done the same batch and are fine, that you don't do drugs all the freakin time. if you don't want to do drugs, don't do drugs - it makes sense for a lot of people! there are many ways to access parts of your mind. but my point here is perhaps not necessarily about drugs, i'm realizing, but that having faith in personal experience is sometimes way more fun and enlightening than having faith in the so-called truths of science.

didn't see a shrooms thread sides this so I'm reviving

what are ppl's experiences with shrooms? maybe not many have, given the lack of threads on it here??

everything i've heard from the 2 or 3 people i know who've done shrooms is that you can't really get anxious about things, because you lose all sense of time/whatever, and everything's cool, but the people who've said this are not really anxious people in the first place!

is there a shrooms equivalent to the vague paranoia you can get when smoking weed?

i've not experienced paranoia in an unpleasant sense but i have been ridiculously self-conscious, imagining it was blatantly obvious to the world around me that i was tripping. major anxiety is always a distinct possibility as i understand it and u shd make sure you're in an appropriate situation with appropriate peeps because once you're up there i don't think there's any way to turn it off until it's thru yr system.

I've had to talk myself down once but then I had a really blissful time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting

^^^

i've done lots of [redacted]. i'm a naturally anxious person. i've had wonderful, floaty, euphoric experiences, and i've had hideous, soul annihilating experiences. set and setting.

i've done them twice. the second time i took maybe more than i ought to have but it was still a mostly pleasant trip. (although, um, making out on them is weird and i can't entirely recommend it.) there was one moment tho when my companion left me for five minutes and i started to feel really lonely and scared (the setting was a rental house i'd never been in before).

as fun as they are the fact that you basically can't sleep until they're out of your system kind of sucks

I thoroughly enjoyed my two shroom experiences, despite the fact that the first time, one of the other participants insisted on playing The Inner Mounting Flame at high volume just as things were getting interesting visually for me.

we had fuck buttons playing at first and i was beginning to get freaked out a little (even tho i've heard that album a bunch of times), so we agreed that the best course of action was to put on some sade

(this is usually the best course of action in most situations, granted)

Always had good experiences on mushrooms. No vomiting, controllable dosing (take a little and watch the walls breathe, take more and trip balls), doesn't last too long, never gave me the mindfuck that acid did.

i've had wonderful, floaty, euphoric experiences, and i've had hideous, soul annihilating experiences.

i had that all in the same trip. not being a weed smoker, i can't really compare the two though.

If you wanna do'em, do'em, but for god's sake don't do them anywhere crowded or hostile or ugly or confusing. It's at its best when you're with a bunch of good friends in a place you can feel peaceful. Walking outdoors on a nice day in the countryside is always a winner.

they are nothing alike.
xpost - outdoors is the way to go.

I thoroughly enjoyed my two shroom experiences, despite the fact that the first time, one of the other participants insisted on playing The Inner Mounting Flame at high volume just as things were getting interesting visually for me.

― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Friday, 20 January 2012 00:05 (39 minutes ago) Permalink

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you can't really get anxious about things, because you lose all sense of time/whatever, and everything's cool

This is complete BS. There's no single mood or mental state that goes with shrooms: they're like an intensifier, which will deepen any mood you have.

You can definitely get fixated on unpleasant thoughts and worries when everything isn't cool and its useful to have someone there who'll notice and distract you.

I'm not keen on the 'coming up' stage of mushrooms, which can seem a bit crude physically compared to acid.

otm

with zoomers it *felt*, in a way, like you were being poisoned (because you were).

8 times, 4 great times in a row, followed by 4 bad trips, all within 2 years or so.

it turns out that when i'm in interzone i reaaaaaally like to talk, and i reaaaaaaally like to listen, so the key thing for was to have people that i really liked and was comfortable with nearby. the second time i did it was with a few really good friends and we were out in a field in the middle of nowhere, and it was truly one of the greatest experiences of my life. the last few times i did it were with people i wasn't as comfortable with, and each time i ended up heading off somewhere alone and then totally going into a dark place (intensifying my typical feelings).

Ive only done shrooms once - first thing I did, and for a long time the only drug, so I had nothing else to compare it to. In hindsight I can now compare it to acid and it is VERY different.

"Another friend I was talking to about this said "Ah yes, but the hallucinogen only makes you *imagine* that your senses are heightened, they are not *actually* heightened"." - this pretty much summed up what my recall of it was. I *wanted* to have a trip, but it always felt like I was *looking* for one, and really all that happened was things seeming more brightly coloured, everything being a little bit more hilarious/"meaningful". After some hours, I burst into tears for no reason.

Beyond that it wasnt anything much really.

In comparison Ive had some acid trips that were incredibly disorienting and almost unpleasant: I kept needing to go pee but when I did, I couldn't convince myself I was actually sitting on the toilet; it was as if I was one pane removed from reality and I couldnt trust anything I was experiencing. That was really upsetting. OTOH, King Crimson sound incrediby comical when tripping, like someone was speeding up and slowing down the record, haha.

Oh also for some reason, acid without fail makes me cry bucketloads about an hour in, for a while. Like it drops some wall in my head. Very odd.

I *wanted* to have a trip, but it always felt like I was *looking* for one, and really all that happened was things seeming more brightly coloured, everything being a little bit more hilarious/"meaningful".

well if you take enough you really won't be needing to "look" for anything cuz it will be there no doubt.

thanks all -- the set & setting thing is pretty helpful!

Had bad experiences the couple of times I took shrooms - massive self consciousness and paranoia - probably due to natural anxiety, and now I feel my 'set' is irreparably damaged. Can't even do weed anymore and that used to be fine :/

Always had good experiences on mushrooms. No vomiting, controllable dosing (take a little and watch the walls breathe, take more and trip balls), doesn't last too long, never gave me the mindfuck that acid did.

^this

The only time I took shrooms (the day before my sixteenth birthday) the girl who sold them to me advised me to split them with a friend, but he wasn't home so I just ate ALL the shrooms. It started great, but ended shivering under the covers trying to hide from the skulls, the skulls, the flying rainbow dinosaur skulls.

They were like these colors, except with fire coming out of their eyes.

http://imthatold.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/popples-plush.jpg

I kept needing to go pee but when I did, I couldn't convince myself I was actually sitting on the toilet; it was as if I was one pane removed from reality and I couldnt trust anything I was experiencing. That was really upsetting. OTOH, King Crimson sound incrediby comical..

Holy shit, I had BOTH these experiences! (pee and KC)

Get out yer nut with Prof. Nutt (in the name of science)

Prof Nutt resists comparisons with the 1960s guru Timothy Leary who advocated the use of LSD. His view was that if everyone took LSD all the time they would be better people. They would have nicer, happier lives.

I think BBC science correspondent Pallab Ghosh may have let the work experience kid write this para.

OTOH, King Crimson sound incrediby comical.

I must be permanently stoned, because this is always my experience when listening to KC.

I would've thought you imagine it.

you would say that. I bet you would also say that ingestors of these fungi are not really able to see how the world around them is continuously oozing and pulsating but are merely imagining that it does so.

did anyone mention that classic mckenna stoner theory about hunter gatherers and psychedelics, heightened senses, fairly low doses...

i dunno. but i dig the same effect staring at my leg hair. growin, wavin.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/rg4606210r217486/

been thinking about looking into microdosing as opposed to ADHD / depression meds; anybody familiar with this process?
https://www.vice.com/read/microdosing-psilocybin-depression-184

also maybe deindex thread?

I haven't heard anything about this, but I do know that there's been some research in and experimentation with psychedelics as treatment options for various mental health things.

I don't know how I never saw the glaringly-obvious signs of a fellow ADD-er before, forks!

lol, well some OCD, some ADD, some depression but I'm high functioning so the main person who bears the brunt of it is my significant other.
like i didn't sleep last night for no definable reason. i know a guy with a similar set of manneristic dysfunctions who swears by microdosing psilocybin and my past stays in smurftown have been fairly positive as long as set and setting were respected. so i'm game but i don't really have the proper social connections to find a provider.

So I have some opinions now.

aaaaaaannnnnnd....?

(asking for a friend obv)

waiting for a deindex request to go thru...

Mushrooms are the best because they're so dose-dependent. Never went full-on multiple hits of acid-level trip with them but for months around 19-20 a few of my friends and I would eat a button or two and sit around laughing and watching the walls breathe, occasionally step up to higher doses for more visuals but I cherish the light doses.

I don't have nearly as many fond memories of acid but that was always multiple doses of liquid so maybe a single dose would have been lighter and more manageable. Still leaning toward mushrooms being the best.

recommended - steep in boiling water for a while then mix w strongly flavored tea. did this last weekend and walked to nearby beach on lake mi to witness a pretty amazing electrical storm near the horizon. really good stuff

occasionally also good at higher doses, pairs well with muted eps of cowboy bebop, blankets, and music.

the day after isnt always great though, sometimes a mild to moderate hangover effect

so a very good friend of mind has been microdosing for the past ten months now. questions you'd like me to pass her way?

whats the 'deliverable' for a microdose of this stuff? like a pill? eyedrop? tincture?

What was the schedule? Any difficulties (mental or physical) on dosing days?

how many fingers am I holding up

xp - A coffee grinder, capsules and a scale that gets down to tenth of a gram accuracy works for microdosing mushrooms.

responses from her:

"Microdosing" per se did not impact me as advertised so I'm taking a bit above and beyond on a daily basis than I suppose meets that description. That amounts to roughly a dried cap and a stem per day or the equivalent of half a tobacco chew. I should probably be more specific with my measuring but an ad hoc approach is getting the job done, though I am occasionally a little under-or over-medicated depending on the vagaries of chemical concentrations in the specific fungus of the day. In any case, that amount is enough where I have emotional and physical changes but generally avoid visuals or inability to cope with life. I would not necessarily recommend this dosage level or delivery method for anyone else but, again, it's working for me and I'm coming up on my first full year of this experiment.

You had asked about benefits or difficulties. The benefits are manifold: I feel a general decrease in anxiety, higher degrees of empathy and patience. I can release problems and ideas that used to uncomfortably obsess me. I've had access to my emotional self in a new way. I cry more often and it comes more easily. I feel more in touch with my body somehow and that has translated into eating less (as my body is clearer about when it feels full) and exercising much more. I've lost about fifteen pounds in the past ten years and I would absolutely attribute that to the fungus. The experience of art and music are somewhat elevated. Social situations are less taxing. I've been coordinating use of the drug under the eye of my partner and, though she was uncomfortable with the idea initially, she rapidly has come to appreciate me in this constant state of low-grade high. She will often remind me to take my mushrooms in the morning.

The downsides that I can name are limited but real. Even in very small dosages, it's a stomach irritant and can make me queasy. I've probably thrown up three times since starting this regiment. I've started mixing my dose directly in with food and chasing it with candied ginger and that tends to do the trick. The other issues are more metaphysical. The fungus clarifies your life to a certain degree and there are times when having your life clarified is difficult both emotionally and practically. It does not fix everything. It only provides a fresh lens. So when problems emerge, it can be very hard to have this perspective on. Learning to better deal with it has been part of the challenge.

does she ever have to drive as part of her work commute, if she has one? assuming no, or that she doses once at work

Most accounts I've seen (generally LSD/1p-LSD microdosing) have described a 1x/3-4 days schedule, did your friend ever try this? Has she taken days off and noticed increased anxiety or other negative effects?

microdosing - a way for tech nerds to ruin another cool thing and make it not fun.

she lives in NYC and doesn't have a car, so i don't think driving is part of the conversation. I'll ask on off days.

I don't drive at all but wouldn't hesitate to do so while on this medication. I've done many other things that require a great deal more focus and exertion without any issue. Like dealing with the New York subway system.

Days off do tend to come with increased stress and anxiety. I make an effort not to take days off.

Taking the subway absolutely does not require more focus and exertion than driving.

wrote back the day of the "state of emergency" announcement; i think she was being arch.

ah

Realise this is specifically a shrooms thread, but anyone hear microcode regularly for depression or anxiety (not just shrooms – I guess ket is a common macrodosing drug now?). I've got a friend – an actual friend – who wants to find out more, but she's at the information gathering stage, so I thought I'd ask here!

i have two friends who microdose LSD on the regular, usually ever 2-3 days. they both seem to swear by it. one of these friends helped to make this the worst year of my life, though, and is a big reason that i'm getting the fuck out of missouri and will never come back. However, i'm the one who is unshakably depressed, while they seem to do horrible things to me with almost no reaction or feelings of remorse, so what the fuck do i know

that was absolutely the worst anecdotal info i could give you -- just ignore it

hey no problem. i’m not going to be judging on the type of response - just curious on people’s experience. i think that counts!

Got an ad for this place today on Twitter - do they actually have shrooms in them? Who knows? Shipping a psychedelic in the clear seems awfully brave no matter how much they call it a donation.

https://jennyjill.com/oakland-delivery

I microdose (and 1/4 and 1/2-dose) mushrooms or acid semi-regularly and it does help me appreciate life a bit more while I'm doing it (absolutely doesn’t make me any more productive or whatever the silicon valley people use it for). it hasn't cured my mental problems but it can help me put them in perspective. for some people it may have a more radical effect or none at all. but it should be safe to try for almost anyone and I would recommend it. idk how differently it affects people who have vs people who haven't done full doses before though

xp have small quantities been decriminalised (de facto or othereisr) in parts of the US? if not it might be a gamble if it's not a scam but I do seem to remember a time when this stuff was fairly openly advertised online (not just dark web), presumably before authorities started noticing or caring as much

xp to be clear I recommend trying it - not continuing if it doesn't help or makes things worse- but at microdose levels nothing can go terribly wrong I'm pretty sure (although if it has done for some people I'd like to know)

xp *otherwise dammit

I know this isn't the vibes thread but I'm sorry this year has sucked for you Karl and I hope things look up

Thanks Left!

I guess ket is a common macrodosing drug now?

I’ve heard this

k-holes not particularly conducive to doing much of anything afaict