tipping

Third worst tippers - high school kids in large groups.

when whites do things it doesn't count

is it the BLACKS

yeah you got it pretty quickly which is making me wonder if/why this is a real stereotype, and yeah mh there's cultural differences but I've heard this SO MUCH regardless of how big the city is, and I don't think it's an issue of being cheap at all

I left some cash for my mom to tip the guys who delivered my washer/dryer, because that is a lot of work.

The dudes who dropped off my new tv, which I could easily carry by myself and wasn't a difficult task, didn't get a tip even though I agonized over it for the next day or so. Probably should have given them a $10.

wtf jenny some of my very best friends are white ppl fyi

no no no

I used to have to sneak back to the table and leave extra $$$ when I'd go out to eat with my grandfather. Now I just tell him I'm expensing the entire meal.

you are the most boring troll of all time

xxxxp

See when ppl gave me bad tips I just kidnapped their children

the other group is middle aged white women btw

bet they're ugly, too. lesbians, maybe?

yeah you got it pretty quickly which is making me wonder if/why this is a real stereotype,

As to why - confirmation bias. If you're serving 5 times as many white customers, you're not going to notice the ebb and flow of tips as you would with groups you serve less.

middle aged woman isn't a race is a state of mind your manners young man

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241

Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin color

It's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of times

keep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip

Good thing there's no Blacks or women on ILX

milo - i doubt that's true. it's not like blacks are the only other race out there

when I worked at a golf course the worst tippers were the people who played golf

Or tippers

xxp

what other races are out there, frogbs

I liked to break down my serving biases into microcultures - civil servants on lunch break, businessmen from out of town serving, middle-aged women who wanted to flirt, middle-aged women who didn't want to flirt, those assholes in town for a Christian revival who tipped with pamphlets (actually happened, still pissed 11-12 years later), midgets, midget-porn fetishists, etc.

lesbian isn't a race btw

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/27/article-1188882-051AEBAE000005DC-540_306x506.jpg

businessmen from out of town eating on the company dime*

it's not like blacks are the only other race out there

other than.... other than.... *head explodes*

Best tippers - New York Yankees catchers, deceased guitarists for Pantera

Worst tippers - my deadbeat friends

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241

Hey look there might be institutionalized reasons related to this that aren't directly correlated to skin color

It's like if you put "black people tipping" in google, this discussion has actually happened a multitude of times

keep up the insight, frogbs, I would like to know why you think black people don't tip

that article doesn't really answer it but yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm looking for.

honestly, I have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it's kind of a weird thing. in my experience as a bartender they aren't exactly cheap people and I'm not sure if there are cultural issues or what they could be

True story: I worked at this terrible redneck bar in NC and on my third or so shift, I got a six top of mostly black people and my fellow server asked me if I would be okay and I was like yeah, six top no biggie, we're not busy and she was like. No. Are you going to be okay? Because they were black, see.

frogbs waiting a table:

"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"

bet they're ugly, too. lesbians, maybe?

hey why don't you take this shit into another thread? if you're going to whine could you at least try to be funny?

frogbs waiting a table:

"So I couldn't help but notice your Blackness. Will you be tipping these evening?"

man you guys are the fucking worst

Modest Mickey of this site once emailed me a letter he wanted proofread that he was going to give to his manager. The letter told his manager he was upset with her for having alleged black people are bad tippers. He asked for tips about the letter and I said, "make it about five pages shorter."

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

xp

Untippable Blackness

they aren't exactly cheap people

they... people

dude

well what am I supposed to say? are you really going to get into a "you people" argument?

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

dude it's a real issue as has been confirmed quite a few times ITT and I was just wondering if this is a real stereotype or if the people I know were just being dumb, what the fuck are you on about

lesbian isn't a race btw

― iatee, Monday, June 20, 2011 8:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

^ knows the deal

it is indeed a real issue that has been crying out for your incisive commentary

xp

omg what am i doing i need an ilx break don't i

Maybe frogbs is doing field research so he can play Pino in "Do the Right Thing: Te Musical"

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

then enlighten me, what am I supposed to say?

you're definitely trying to lead me to post something about the cheapness of blacks or whatever, I'm just saying I don't think that's the issue at all

wait haven't you posted that, i mean exactly that

not tipping well != cheap

http://thevegasclubs.com/images/10_tipping.jpg

i think the point is that if you really given any thought to racial/racist stereotypes especially in a public forum then you're inevitably gonna be seen as perpetuating them, wittingly or not.

cos the short simple answer is "racial stereotypes are stupid let's talk about something else"

you must be new here, frogbs

OK, I was talking about this with a friend of mine

I think the negative thing is that instead of explaining your experience with individuals and asking about it, you're about one step off of saying "they are not (a) cheap people." While there is a "black culture" in the US, it's not monolithic, although you're right -- some cultural things like how much to tip seem to vary.

But this entire beating around the bush and acting like it's a racial thing is... not really the way to approach cultural issues.

"They're not cheap, they just spend their money on courvousier"

always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh