tipping

oh i see you didn't read my posts then

What, in your opinion, am I dodging?

The fact that you are trying to turn it into a discussion about black people not tipping?

If you wanted to know if it was a stereotype, you could have asked that or even gone to google. It's not that you even really have racist intentions on this one, it's just that you left your material that would make the question sound neutral until the end: "I've only had experience as a bartender and black people tend to tip as well as anyone else, but at a party some server friends told me that there's a stereotype of black people tipping poorly."

IMO that sounds like a reasonable query, approaches race from the individual perspective standpoint, and doesn't dodge around. Instead it went from you being afraid to say the phrase "black people" into "hey black people tipped me well for drinks!"

So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief, or you're just so clumsy when talking about race that it sounds that way

i was basically not trying to let this fall into "confirmation bias" as in if no one knew what the fuck I was talking about then I could assume the whole thing wasn't really anything. btw I didn't really say that i've been tipped well by black people but rather that I don't think or wouldn't guess that it's an issue of cheapness because that really does fall into some stupid racist bullshit which I was trying to steer the thread away from

honestly, I have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it's kind of a weird thing. in my experience as a bartender they aren't exactly cheap people and I'm not sure if there are cultural issues or what they could be

― frogbs

So the way you're coming off is that you want affirmation of this belief

I don't really want affirmation of anything - tipping culture in general is pretty interesting to me, ultimately I tried to phrase things so that I didn't seem like I was racist but I'm not really good with that and given ILX's tendencies to make everything look worse than it really is I probably should have known better

frogbs, have you served black people as a bartender? How did they tip?

mh - i wasn't referring to the tip there, what I mean here - and this is something that a lot of servers would probably back me up on - is that I don't think the issue of "cheapness" (which I'm assuming a lot of you are trying to make this thread about?) really defines how much a person tips. we're talking about places where people willingly pay $8 for a $1 dessert or $5 for a pint of beer that they know costs less than a buck - if people really wanted to be cheap they probably wouldn't go to restaurants or bars very often

I think you're confusing living cheaply versus being a cheap bastard.

btw yeah I have served black people and they generally tipped alright unless the bill was really big, in which case you wouldn't get 10-15% but you'd get enough to make it worth your while, nothing I would have thought of before it was mentioned to me.

in general the idea of tipping 15% on bills that are big because of shots or other 'low-maitenance' items is really stupid anyway

I think you're confusing living cheaply versus being a cheap bastard.

well there's a difference between the guy who only orders the $1 tappers or whatever or the cheap rail mixers all day and just leaves a dollar vs. those who buy a bunch of shots and don't tip well

in general the idea of tipping 15% on bills that are big because of shots or other 'low-maitenance' items is really stupid anyway

*sigh*. if you'd read upthread, you'd see the debate on this, but it's pretty dumb to change the proportion of your tip in regards to the amount of work done, because they still 'served' you regardless, and they have to tip out on those sales that they got.

don't like it, don't eat out...

btw the NPR story I posted is hilarious for several reasons, not least:
- byline: "JUAN WILLIAMS"
- last paragraph:

Lynn suggests that the American restaurant industry begin a campaign to inform people about the basics of leaving a tip. He urges the use of advertisements, educational pamphlets, and even putting tipping information on menus. And Lynn suggests that restaurants could introduce a game in which dining parties would have to tip at least 15 percent in order to be eligible to win a contest.

I have worked at multiple restaurants that put gratuity guidelines at the bottom of the bill - auto-calculated 15% and 20% of the pretax total.

that's become the standard at many of them around here too.

A lot of places in Montreal had these table-side card scanners that had buttons built in for 15/18/20. Pretty neat in that you could do the complete debit transaction right there.

I think there are a handful of places here that have those....not taken off though.

*sigh*. if you'd read upthread, you'd see the debate on this, but it's pretty dumb to change the proportion of your tip in regards to the amount of work done, because they still 'served' you regardless, and they have to tip out on those sales that they got.

don't like it, don't eat out...

thats the thing. besides that thing I mentioned above, I usually do this anyway but I do question it. like if I'm drinking at a place with $1 mugs and I get five of them, I'll tip 2-3$ which is 40-60% but I don't know why it's dumb that the 'minimum' tip should be 15% regardless of how simple your order is or how inflated the prices

because there's a lot of uncredited shit that waitstaff/bartenders do that might not have to do specifically with your order, but it contributes indirectly?

yeah that's a good point

i think the idea i'm getting is that tipping culture as a whole is kinda dumb

It'd make more sense if people were paid a reasonable wage and tipping was 100% merit, sure

the thing is though servers/bartenders would make less if they were paid wage + no tip. at least in good restaurants.

it really does suck waiting tables, too. stressful, tiring, you take it home w/ you, and pretty much have to sacrifice entire days quite often to work. I'm more than thankful for my full time, well paying job right now, where I have all nights free.

hey yall. whats goin on in this cool thread

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0OfuYBJa3Lg/R6bz5e-DcoI/AAAAAAAABsI/_qUcu2KQOA4/s400/tipping01.jpg

l-r: frogbs, mh, Neanderthal

yeah despite what iatee says bartenders have to work super hard sometimes, its not like they always just sit around chatting and drinking with the customers. some friday/saturday nights we'd get absolutely slammed and it would be 4 hours of people yelling out drink orders and complaining that they're not getting served on time, with like 60 people at the bar despite there only being 30 seats, so there'd be no time at all for rest, tbf you would get tipped well on those days

Neanderthal - a black person? *destroys self*

well I do listen to a lot of rap, but no, I'm Powder ....

hmm. black people like rap? could it be true? is it because the lyrics are often "thuggish" or is it because it's good "dancing music"?

o what have i done ;_;

btw that post actually was pretty racist

actually it came off as being sarcastic about racism which isn't racist

but righto

http://www.chestees.com/uploads/products/uncomfortable_place_3.jpg

lol i had this dream that frogbs was becoming a better poster

lol

yeah despite what iatee says bartenders have to work super hard sometimes, its not like they always just sit around chatting and drinking with the customers. some friday/saturday nights we'd get absolutely slammed and it would be 4 hours of people yelling out drink orders and complaining that they're not getting served on time, with like 60 people at the bar despite there only being 30 seats, so there'd be no time at all for rest, tbf you would get tipped well on those days
--frogbs

this all started w/ you being mad that a bartender thought you undertipped, you shoulda just been like "stfu dude I used to bartend and $3 is a fine tip for 3 shots, ps what are your opinions on black people"

^^^ real talk

lol I love that frogbs is insinuating that we are the ones who keep on steering the discussion back to black people

well tbf originally we thought it was asians

i know I did anyway

I assumed he meant the british

ILX be Winehousin' up in this bitch, always back to black

Did no one think to ask J. Batman, Esq., his thoughts on tipping? I'm sure it would have made this latest query unnecessary.

i think someone did but he just didn't get the time

Might as well throw my 2cents into this shitstorm. People who find tipping complicated.. Sounds like they just don't make enough money to eat out at Applebees every night, probably should leave throwing money around to those who actually have it

xpost he would have explained that female waiters didn't deserve tips just because they had breasts and the power to breed

tipping is sorta beta

alphas leave gratuities... gratuitously

wrong, alphas tip themselves after meals

just the tip, for female waitstaff