Which of these sound the same when you say them? And where do you come from / how would you describe your accent?
a) massed - mast, b) aren't - aunt, c) Pam - palm, d) have - halve, e) putt - put, f) would - wooed, g) sure - shore, h) pour - poor, i) saw - sore, j) won - one, k) cot - caught, l) balm - bomb, m) vary - very, n) marry - merry, o) marry - Mary, p) call - cool, q) wholly - holy, r) witch - which, s) tuna - tuner, t) dew - Jew, u) undue - undo, v) earn - urn, w) fur - fair
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 08:36 (eighteen years ago)
For me: a)no, b)yes, c)no, d)no, e)no, f)no, g)yes, h)yes, i)yes, j)yes, k)no, l)no, m)no, n)no, o)no, p)yes, q)no, r)yes, s)yes, t)yes, u)no, v)yes, w)no Lived most of my life in or around London (but definitely don't have a cockney accent).
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 08:39 (eighteen years ago)
a) j) k) q) central belt scottish
― RJG, Friday, 26 October 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)
Pretty much the same for me:
b) aren't - aunt g) sure - shore h) pour - poor i) saw - sore j) won - one k) wholly - holy r) witch - which s) tuna - tuner v) earn - urn
RP-ish but with a southeast England twinge
Same as N,B&S's then, except I wouldn't say "call" and "cool" the same (that's proper London to me), nor "dew" and "Jew". And I'm interested as to how his pronunciation of "wholly" and "holy" differs.
I think this is going to provide evidence for RJG's pride in the precision of Scottish accents. Though my RP dad would differentiate a lot more of the pairs than I do.
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 08:58 (eighteen years ago)
Which of these sound the same when you say them?
YES: a, b, h, i, j, r, s, v
NO: c, d, e, f, g, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, , t, u, w
And where do you come from / how would you describe your accent?
Pretty generic south-east. At my school, some kids spoke with a generic south-east accent and some sounded a little Cockney, as there was a wide demographic mix owing to the school's location (Enfield, north London) and its selection policy at that time. When I left school and went to Bristol Uni, my voice became posher owing to that university's large proportion of public school educated students. My mother noticed this change when I spoke to her on the phone after *three quarters of a term*. Since graduating, my accent has drifted back again to generic south east. Whether this has to do with the people I have mixed with in the 13 years I have lived in Oxford or the development of "estuary English" affecting speech patterns of the country as a whole, I am not quite sure (possibly a mixture of the two). I occasionally say 't's with the glottal stop, although this is not my default pronunciation. I suspect I am more inclined to do this when drunk.
― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)
same - a, h, i, j, q, r, s, v and sometimes g. a bit fucked up, ppl tend to think i'm scandinavian (not that scandinavians have fucked up accents, but sounding like one when i'm not is a bit ???)
― emsk, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:10 (eighteen years ago)
I think of my accent as more or less RP, but reading this entry on Estuary English, I'd say I do nearly all those things (except I'd never drop the 't' in 'water') and none of the cockney things. So the dew/jew thing is covered by the 'yod coalescence' bit, and the call/cool thing is some kind of side effect of the 'dark l' sounding more like a 'w'.
It's difficult to explain the wholly/holy thing. The first one starts with the sound in 'hog' (minus the 'g') then has that weird 'l' becomes 'w' thing going on. The second one starts with 'hoe' and then has a 'clear l'.
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)
bghiqrs - pretty much the same as Alba, but excluding j and v. Accent is posher end of south east middle-class twunt - go me.
― NickB, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:17 (eighteen years ago)
I'm the same as Nasty, Brutish & Short except swap P & Q round.
I'm from the West Midlands but I've lived in the south since I was 18 and my accent wasn't that strong anyway so I think I'm sort of RP + glottal stops + occasional lapsing into Worcester-isms like saying Twalve instead of Twelve.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)
Grandpoint Genie - if you say "massed" and "mast" the same it doesn't make you sound very southeast to me? Have you got northern roots or something?
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)
No: a, c, d, e, f, k, l, m, n, o, p, t, u, w Yes: b, g, h, i, j, r, s, v,
austraalien.
― W4LTER, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast - NO b) aren't - aunt - YES c) Pam - palm - NO d) have - halve - NO e) putt - put - NO f) would - wooed - NO g) sure - shore - YES h) pour - poor - YES i) saw - sore - YES j) won - one - YES k) cot - caught - NO l) balm - bomb - NO m) vary - very - NO n) marry - merry - NO o) marry - Mary - NO p) call - cool - NO q) wholly - holy - YES r) witch - which - YES s) tuna - tuner - YES t) dew - Jew - NO u) undue - undo - NO v) earn - urn - YES w) fur - fair - NO
My accent is horrible. I was born in east London, all my relatives are north London, then we moved to Essex, then the midlands where my best friend was a Liverpudlian who I used to copy all the time. After a bit nobody could understand a word I said. Back then girl = gull for instance. I had speech training for a couple of years, which helped a bit but it's still a nasty mix.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)
Born and raised in the north of England, lived in London half of my life.
So, putt and put used to be more similar than they are now.
But....
Arent and aunt are different.
shore and sure are the same.
Massed and mast are the same.
And so forth.
By the way, does anyone pronounce witch and which differently? Surely that can't be a regional accent indicator...
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)
xp Of course as soon as I go south past Watford it's back to cock-er-nee.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)
I think some Scots and Americans might do.
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)
I think a/h/i/w are definitely the same out of my gob - e/g/r/s are also probably indistinguishable until I'm r e a l l y e n u c i a t i n g.
I'm from the northeastern corner of the Wirral, so I have a soft (as shite) Scouse accent which I've systematically buried under layers of fudged RP over the years, but the flat vowels always poke through.
(Daniel: I don't know what the linguistic term for it is, but the "h" in "which" can be sounded if you're reet posh, like).
― Michael Jones, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)
Ah I see - you mean like white being pronounced /hwait/ etc? Got you.
By the way, I do love the bit in Leave Me Alone by New Order, when Sumner rhymes book with luck.
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)
unless, not until
reet posh = also, if you're trilling and burring like mad
― Michael Jones, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)
By the way, does anyone pronounce witch and which differently?
'Which' is sometimes pronounced with a whistle if you know what I mean - 'hoowich'. I had a slightly upper-class English teacher that always did that.
― NickB, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)
Am I the only brit who says "shewer" for "sure"?
― Mark C, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:23 (eighteen years ago)
The 'wh' in which and the 'w' in witch are distinct sounds in quite a few scottish (and other) accents. In linguistic terms the 'w' in witch is voiced (uses the voice box) and the 'wh' is unvoiced (doesn't use voice box). It's a similar thing with the 'ch' in loch which is not pronounced the same as the 'ck' in lock.
I'm from Fife and the only ones I say the same are J and K.
― treefell, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)
YES: b, g, h, i, j, r, t, v
I am from New Zealand.
Lived in Australia for a year and a half now, and my mum is Australian (though had lived in NZ for about 5 years by my birth and not very strong accent). Australians mock me for not being able to pronounce 'bear''beer' and 'bare' differently. I actually would like to be able to. With vowels, an example of difference for me here is that Australians usually can't understand me when I saw 'ten'. I notice my vowels tending toward a more Australian pronunciation sometimes (at least the i...noticed it when I exclaimed 'shit!'the other day) but my Australian boyfriend doesn't pick up on it.
― spectra, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)
Alba, here's my vague attempt to demonstrate 'wholly' v 'holy': http://media.putfile.com/wholly-v-holy
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast, - no b) aren't - aunt, - no c) Pam - palm, - no d) have - halve, - no e) putt - put, - no f) would - wooed, - no g) sure - shore, - no h) pour - poor, - SAME i) saw - sore, - SAME j) won - one, - SAME k) cot - caught, - no l) balm - bomb, - no m) vary - very, - SAME n) marry - merry, - no o) marry - Mary, - no p) call - cool, - no q) wholly - holy, - SAME r) witch - which, - SAME s) tuna - tuner, - SAME t) dew - Jew, - VERY CLOSE u) undue - undo, - no v) earn - urn, - SAME w) fur - fair - no
A mish-mash of Hertfordshire/New England with a bit of NYC
― Klaus M. Flanger, Friday, 26 October 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)
Yes to a,b,e,g,h,i,q,r,v.
I've lived in the North of England all my life (Manchester and Sheffield to be precise) and whilst I don't have the stereotypical Northern accent - as evinced by the fair = fur thing (much closer to RP than most up here) I do still have a bit of a twang.
― Stone Monkey, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)
b) aren't - aunt, g) sure - shore, h) pour - poor, i) saw - sore, j) won - one, r) witch - which, v) earn - urn,
All of the above, I pronounce the two the same. The rest, not. I was born in London and brought up in various Home Conuties, with brief detours to the East Midlands, Hamburg and Sydney. I now live in London and any residue of Midlandsish or Sydneysider have long subsided.
― CharlieNo4, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)
The sames:
a) massed - mast, b) aren't - aunt, i) saw - sore, j) won - one, o) marry - Mary ,q) wholly - holy, r) witch - which, s) tuna - tuner, u) undue - undo, v) earn - urn,
The differents:
c) Pam - palm, d) have - halve, e) putt - put, f) would - wooed, g) sure - shore, h) pour - poor, k) cot - caught, l) balm - bomb, m) vary - very, n) marry - merry, p) call - cool, t) dew - Jew, w) fur - fair
Accent = Sort of South England/lapsed Geordie/variation of a vague northern / whoever I'm talking to wandering minstrel I....
― Mark G, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)
These ones are the same:
h) pour - poor i) saw - sore j) won - one q) wholly - holy r) witch - which s) tuna - tuner v) earn - urn
I'm from just outside Southampton but have lost any faint Hampshire Hogisms (apart from saying somewhen) and never had the london overspill accent that a lot of people in Southampton do. Parents grew up in Ruislip/Uxbridge, so although working class backgrounds speak v RP. As a result I have weird poshisms like saying /tisju/ instead of /tishju/ for tissue.
I can vouch for nbs's dark /l/s. They are like /w/s.
― Jamie T Smith, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)
Just listened to nbs's wholly holy thing. Very interesting.
My question is: isn't the dark l -> /w/ thing negated by the fact that it's followed by ly?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 26 October 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)
I speak like an eighteenth century Tilbury costermonger.
― Mark C, Friday, 26 October 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)
h) pour - poor
Let's not forget paw. I pronounce all three the same (this has been known to cause the roffles).
― Madchen, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)
these are the same to my mouth
a) massed - mast d) have - halve h) pour - poor j) won - one k) cot - caught m) vary - very n) marry - merry q) wholly - holy r) witch - which u) undue - undo v) earn - urn
i was born in california and raised in boston. i have a generic american accent.
― jhøshea, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast: SAME b) aren't - aunt: NOPE c) Pam - palm: NOPE d) have - halve: PRETTY MUCH THE SAME (sometimes I pronounce "halve" weirdly if it's unclear that I don't mean "have") e) putt - put: NOPE f) would - wooed: NOPE g) sure - shore: NOPE h) pour - poor: SOMETIMES THE SAME (my pronunciation of "poor" is inconsistent, I just realized) i) saw - sore: NOPE j) won - one: SAME k) cot - caught: NOPE l) balm - bomb: NOPE m) vary - very: SAME n) marry - merry: SAME o) marry - Mary: SAME p) call - cool: NOPE q) wholly - holy: SAME r) witch - which: SAME s) tuna - tuner: NOPE t) dew - Jew: NOPE u) undue - undo: SAME v) earn - urn: SAME w) fur - fair: NOPE
I've lived in the Midwest (mostly Chicago area) pretty much my whole life.
― jaymc, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast - Yes b) aren't - aunt - No c) Pam - palm - No d) have - halve - Yes e) putt - put - No f) would - wooed - No g) sure - shore - No h) pour - poor - Yes i) saw - sore - No j) won - one - No k) cot - caught - Yes l) balm - bomb - Yes m) vary - very - Yes n) marry - merry - Yes o) marry - Mary - Yes p) call - cool - No q) wholly - holy - Yes r) witch - which - Yes s) tuna - tuner - No t) dew - Jew - No u) undue - undo - Yes v) earn - urn - Yes w) fur - fair - No
I think I have a fairly typical California accent.
― Michael White, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)
The same, or near as dammit: a) massed - mast, d) have - halve, j) won - one, q) wholly - holy, r) witch - which, v) earn - urn
u) undue - undo have different stresses but the /u/ at the end is the same.
There might be a slight difference in d) but how often do I even say "halve"?
Grew up outside of Philadelphia and then in NYC.
― Casuistry, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)
j) won - one - No -- Michael White
How are they different for you? Which (if either) rhymes with 'gun'?
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)
They aren't. It's a typo. In my diction, they're perfect homophones and they both rhyme with gun.
― Michael White, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)
It's not the rhyming that it hangs upon, it's the aspiration at the start.
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)
It's blowing my mind a bit that people pronounce cot/caught and merry/marry/Mary the same; I need to pay more attention to US accents. I'll test this on Pam when I get home!
― Michael Jones, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)
Really? I know in Manchester they don't rhyme, but I can never remember which way round it is: one of them rhymes with 'gone' and the other with 'gun' (but a northern, not a southern 'gun'). (xpost to Alba)
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)
I say 'one' like gone and won like 'gun', not that I'm from Manchester though.
― NickB, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)
Rather randomly inserted inverted commas there.
― NickB, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)
N,B&S, maybe you're right. I really meant to point out the aspiration issue, not deny that they couldn't rhyme. I'm interested who thinks they don't rhyme, though.
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)
It's blowing my mind a bit that people pronounce cot/caught and merry/marry/Mary the same differently.
Or at least it would if I hadn't already known that these were commonly tested words in linguistic surveys.
The one that does blow my mind, though is aunt/aren't. These are pretty clearly differently pronounced words to me: for one, one has an R and the other doesn't.
― jaymc, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)
What about ant/aunt, jaymc?
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
SAME:A,D,H,J,M,N,O,R,U,V DIFF:REST
― 69, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
xpost
"won" rhymes with "gun"
"one" with "gone"
Although, to be fair, I think that's RP.
― Stone Monkey, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
Re ant/aunt: I pronounce them the same, but I've at least heard other people in the U.S. pronounce them differently ("ant" vs. "awnt").
― jaymc, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)
Stone Monkey: no way - in RP they *both* rhyme with 'gun' (a southern gun!)
Jaymc: most people in England don't do Rs
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
d) have - halve, h) pour - poor, j) won - one, k) cot - caught, m) vary - very, n) marry - merry, o) marry - Mary,q) wholly - holy, r) witch - which, v) earn - urn
I grew up in upper midwest US (MN) and currently live in New England (MA).
Living in MA makes s) completely hilarious to me.
― HI DERE, Friday, 26 October 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)
I can't even think of how to start on Tavis's awesome speech patterns, except for the following two examples:
obviously = ob-vyush-leh Tavis Smiley = Tevvis SchMYleh
― nabisco, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)
Actually he sounds a lot like the voice my cousins in Indiana would put on as a comedy serious-guy voice!
― nabisco, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)
Like a mare. Like la mer in French.
Ha ha! To me the vowel in mer is closer to TITTT's 'merry'.
― Michael White, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)
TTTTT: "air"
This is probably pretty close to what I sound like or what a typical 'Ottawa accent' is like (if there's such a thing and I've been told there is.) Although I'm actually slightly Americanized compared to this. My "all" sounds are a little closer to "ahl" and my "bag" is even more "bayg"-ish.
xposts Michael White OTM. nabisco=anglo!
― Sundar, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)
tavis smiley is like gus grissom!
so, what, do these marry-merry-mary people sing "have yourself a mary little christmas"?!
― gabbneb, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)
Oh no, not Stella and her bloody snow peas again.
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)
Anyway to the extent that "cot" and "caught" are different, "cot" would be slightly closer to the vowel sound in his "frog" or "Bob" (which is more exaggerated than mine.) Is this the difference jaymc was getting at?
― Sundar, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)
(xposts)
We also need a small plastic snake and a big toy frog for the kids
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)
(Yes, of course, gabbneb! But I recognize yours from TV.)
― Sundar, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)
(Well, that "coffee talk" thing is a comic exaggeration but doesn't even sound that gross of one to me! I gather that the South Park "aboot" thing doesn't sound as ridiculous of an exaggeration to Americans as it does to me.)
― Sundar, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)
Was that your American accent, Nick? Pam is well impressed (but she wants to know why you insisted on "wanna"?). I quizzed her over the fruit & veg in Sainsbury's tonight about the merry/marry/Mary thing and, yep, they're homophones in her Arkansas via Mary(!)land twang. Oh, how I larfed.
xxxpost
― Michael Jones, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)
I wasn't sure how to do "want" so I settled for "wanna". I don't think all Americans say "wanna" or anything. It wasn't really supposed to be a good accent. Just to illustrate how Mary, Marry and Merry could sound the same.
― Alba, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)
Well, it gets the seal of approval from the Linthicum-Ferndale jury. It kicks Hugh Laurie's sorry* ass/arse anyhow/anyhoo.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)
would love to know what the North Americans make of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FXG5cElws
have a bit of in in my accent but not much as I'm not native. however as mentioned above my daughter (age 6) is fluent...
― TTTTTTT, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)
Guy #1 in black sounds like my semiology prof. Guy #2 (Paul from the Hullblokes?) definitely has a thicker accent but one that doesn't sound totally unfamiliar. Scottish influence?? The two actors sound like a cartoon. That's an exaggeration, surely?
― Sundar, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)
Guy #2 is Scottish!
The actors, yes of course it's played for laughs, but nowhere near as exaggerated as you might expect.
― TTTTTTT, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast d) have - halve h) pour - poor ("poor me, poor me, pour me a drink!") j) won - one k) cot - caught m) vary - very n) marry - merry o) marry - Mary q) wholly - holy r) witch - which u) undue - undo v) earn - urn
I'm from the Baltimore suburbs (pronounced, variously: Balnuhmer, Balmer, Ballmore).
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)
haha well there you go. Didn't want to say for sure.
― Sundar, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)
if anyone cares, wikipedia's entries on new york city accents and philadelphia accents, which it contends is a variant on a wider Mid Atlantic dialect (i.e., including Baltimore). note that, at least in the case of philadelphian accents, the distinguishing signs aren't really in the homophones listed above (e.g., tendencies to pronounce long e's before the letter "g" like short i's ["iggle" instead of "eagle," "liggle" instead of "legal"] and to pronounce short i's in words like "attitude" and "beautiful" as long e's ["att-EE-tude" and "beau-TEE-ful" for "attitude" and "beautiful," respectively) as well as "dark l's" (which, i guess, may come from the original welsh settlers in the area [as evidenced by towns in the philadelphia suburbs with names like bala cynwyd, merion, haverford, etc.]).
― Eisbaer, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)
FWIW, while i definitely DON'T talk like either a stereotypical new yorker (e.g., archie bunker or tony soprano [truthfully, i don't think that i've EVER met anyone from NYC who talks like archie bunker]) and i don't THINK that i sound like an actual new yorker -- after working/living around NYC for almost 10 years now some NYCisms probably have crept into my speech.
my father has a bit of a philly accent (since that was where he was born); my mother's accent at times sounds like a strange mix b/w standard new jersey and yorkshire/british (since that was were she was born). i don't think that my speech falls into either extreme, though.
― Eisbaer, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)
I don't trust Wikipedia for any kind-of academic information... I think all those accent pages were edited by an unemployed massage therapist using college linguistics textbooks from 1982.
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)
Tony Soprano is supposed to be stereotypical New Jersey... some older Italians from Bayonne and other urban areas sound almost 100% like that, but most people, no.
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:32 (eighteen years ago)
Do NYC people really not see any connection between their accents and the TV stereotypes? I don't know anyone who says "aboot" but I understand what it's based on.
― Sundar, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)
(On the other hand, I will go to my grave convinced that "hoser" was something made up by SCTV. I don't care if someone shows up from Saskatchewan or somewhere to dispute this.)
― Sundar, Saturday, 27 October 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast, yes b) aren't - aunt, yes c) Pam - palm, no d) have - halve, yes e) putt - put, no f) would - wooed, no g) sure - shore, no h) pour - poor, yes i) saw - sore, no but surprisingly close. j) won - one, yes k) cot - caught, yes l) balm - bomb, no m) vary - very, no n) marry - merry, no o) marry - Mary, no p) call - cool, no q) wholly - holy, yes r) witch - which, yes s) tuna - tuner, yes t) dew - Jew, no u) undue - undo, yes v) earn - urn, yes w) fur - fair no
i grew up in new england and moved to the midwest a while ago. my boston accent is pretty much gone but it still slips out after i've had a couple of pops in me. i went back east to see family last autumn, i saw my younger sister for the first time since the '90s, the first words out of her mouth were "i hate your fucking accent." didn't realize i had one, it's not like i say "i wanna SAHsidge pizza" or whatever. i think i was just putting r's in correct places. my ex used to tease me about the way i said "saw him" which apparently comes out as "sawr rim". whatever, it's just words.
― chicago kevin, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:10 (eighteen years ago)
a) massed - mast d) have - halve h) pour - poor j) won - one k) cot - caught m) vary - very n) marry - merry o) marry - Mary q) wholly - holy r) witch - which u) undue - undo v) earn - urn
Seattle area, born and raised/I perceive myself as accentless, it's the rest of you who are fucked up in the speech.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)
Apparently I have a Baltimorese accent, even though I've never been east of Denver.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 27 October 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)
Sundar, I mean, did you think I had much of a NYC accent?
― Casuistry, Saturday, 27 October 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)
Btw, I say "orange" like the woman's voice in Boards of Canada's "Aquarius." (Same initial vowel sound as the dude's voice, but he turns the word into two syllables: "or-inge.")
If that's the song with all the counting on it, to my (English) ears it sounds like "ornge" (just one syllable).
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 27 October 2007 09:14 (eighteen years ago)
Yes:
a) massed - mast d) have - halve f) would - wooed h) pour - poor j) won - one m) vary - very n) marry - merry o) marry - Mary q) wholly - holy r) witch - which u) undue - undo v) earn - urn
Mid-west America, but have spent big chunks of my life in New York, Texas, and San Francisco as well. My accent is about as flat as it gets.
― rockapads, Saturday, 27 October 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)
actually, scratch f) would - wooed. i read it wrong.
― rockapads, Saturday, 27 October 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)
I can't believe people are saying One and Won so they sound the same. One = 'Won'. Won = 'Wun'.
― DavidM, Saturday, 27 October 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)
David, do you never watch the telly or anything?
― Alba, Saturday, 27 October 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)
a)no b)yes c)no d)no e)no f)no g)yes h)yesish i)yes j)yes k)no l)no m)no n)no o)no p)no q)yes r)yes s)yes t)noish u)no v)yes w)no
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 27 October 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)
David, if it makes you feel any better, I have no idea what the difference between "won" and "wun" is supposed to be.
― Casuistry, Saturday, 27 October 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not sure I do either. And, no, I don't remember noticing you having any strong regional accent. But many co-workers or neighbours I've had from NYC/LI do.
I find it interesting that Canadian accents delight you. Can you identify one right away? (A number of people here have said they could do so as soon as I opened my mouth.) I can't always tell a Cdn accent from a neutral American accent. (Even the "ou" sounds aren't always a surefire way.) Like, that clip I posted doesn't sound that far removed from this (though it is different). It's markedly different (in almost every vowel sound) from this though.
― Sundar, Saturday, 27 October 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)
the thing is there really are NYers (mostly BK/LIers) who speak the full stereotypical way. but most nyers don't. and most don't have the heavy accent that is still sub- the stereotype.
― gabbneb, Saturday, 27 October 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)
Well, a certain type of Cdn accent -- I don't necessarily remember you having one, but Bryan does. A prairie accent, I guess.
― Casuistry, Sunday, 28 October 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)
Same: a) massed - mast, d) have - halve, j) won - one, k) cot - caught, l) balm - bomb, m) vary - very, n) marry - merry, o) marry - Mary, q) wholly - holy, r) witch - which, v) earn - urn
Different: b) aren't - aunt, c) Pam - palm, e) putt - put, f) would - wooed, g) sure - shore, h) pour - poor, i) saw - sore, p) call - cool, s) tuna - tuner, t) dew - Jew, u) undue - undo, w) fur - fair
My accent is a prety weird one... midwestern Ontario, form around lake huron. To hear the true weirdness of my accent, here are some other words that are homophones to me:
ask/ass, guest/guess, and to a lesser degree, cutting/cotton
― Will M., Sunday, 28 October 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)
You hate terminal consonant clusters.
― Casuistry, Sunday, 28 October 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)
same:
diff: b) aren't - aunt c) Pam - palm e) putt - put f) would - wooed i) saw - sore g) sure - shore l) balm - bomb p) call - cool s) tuna - tuner t) dew - Jew w) fur - fair
born & raised in Georgia, used to have an accent but now I don't so much
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 28 October 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)
Same: a) massed - mast d) have - halve h) pour - poor j) won - one* k) cot - caught m) vary - very n) marry - merry o) marry - Mary q) wholly - holy u) undue - undo v) earn - urn
* = it's very close but maybe slightly different?
Born in California, raised around Portland, Oregon. Parents both had heavy southern accents when I was growing up that have since mostly faded. Though I could never really even hear it, my friends were like DUDE YOUR PARENTS SPEAK LIKE HICKS etc. So that might have some influence?
― Clay, Sunday, 28 October 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)
Does no one in the US differentiate "poor" from "pour?"
(Apparently Cdn accents do vary west of NB. I'm trying to imagine how that "cutting"/"cotton" thing would work. Thought you were Ottawan, Will?)
― Sundar, Sunday, 28 October 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)
I do.
― gabbneb, Sunday, 28 October 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)
poor = pour = pore
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)
potentially catastrophic
― RJG, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)
poor = pour = pore /= potentially catastrophic, that is pronounced differently.
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 October 2007 23:51 (eighteen years ago)
a, j, k and q. Guttural scots
I can't believe people are saying One and Won so they sound the same ... One = 'Won'. roffle
― stet, Monday, 29 October 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)
Same:
a) massed - mast, d) have - halve, h) pour - poor, j) won - one, r) witch - which, u) undue - undo, v) earn - urn
Different:
b) aren't - aunt, c) Pam - palm, e) putt - put, f) would - wooed, g) sure - shore, i) saw - sore, k) cot - caught, l) balm - bomb, m) vary - very, n) marry - merry, o) marry - Mary, p) call - cool, q) wholly - holy, s) tuna - tuner, t) dew - Jew, w) fur - fair
Non-regional American with a touch of New Jersey/New York.
― duestown, Monday, 29 October 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)