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What do ILErs think about "the least dangerous branch" of the U.S. government? In general or about the current nine Justices?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh yeah, don't worry about not being a "constitutional scholar" or a lawyer. Matter of fact, I'm really interested in what laypeople think about the Supreme Court. So answer!

(Chief Justice Raggett? Associate Justice Hanle y?)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm flattered. I'd make my robes *all* sparkly gold, though.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

One of my family's friends (we've known each other since we were children) clerked under Justice Stevens. Strangely, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever really asked him about the experience! I wonder if they got along...Does Stevens tend towards liberal or conservative lines?

Joe, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Justice Stevens (along with Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, and Souter) are the "liberal wing" of the current Supreme Court. Chief Justice Rehnquist, and Justices Scalia and Thomas are hard right-wingers. Justices O'Connor and Kennedy are moderate conservatives, though the emphasis is more on the "conservative" and less the "moderate" part (esp. since AFAIC O'Connor is basically Rehnquist in drag). In any event, there've been loads of 5-4 decisions for the past decade or so.

What's also interesting is that the four "liberals" really aren't all that liberal, esp. in comparison to predecessors like Justices Brennan, Marshall, or Douglas. They'd all be considered moderates if they were on the Warren or Burger Courts. It also should be noted that two of the "liberals" were appointed by Republican Presidents (Stevens by Ford, Souter by Poppy Bush). Which goes to show how far to the right the Supreme Court has swung since the late Sixties.

As for Supreme Court clerkships -- I went to too crappy a school, and my grades were too crappy, to even dream of such a thing.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They're the most powerful boy band ever. Stevens is probably my favorite.

Nitsuh, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If I'm remembering correctly, when Souter was appointed, everyone thought he was going to be a conservative. I've got a relative who knows some people who worked with him in the pre-Supremes days, and apparently all of his colleagues were in awe of him.

Douglas, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Stevens is the only one of the Justices worth a damn when it comes to criminal law.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive, because I want to do a s&d with a DESTROY: SCALIA rider.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

And to answer Tad's question, I've always had a latent admiration for the idea of the Supreme Court (not necessarily the current bunch), though admittedly that's due to my mistaken belief that they shape morality within the legal framework, sez me the layperson.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

the National Review I just saw had Sandra Day O'Connor on the cover with a tag to the effect of 'Sandra Day's America', and it looked like a gushjob. I'm not sure if it was written/published before last week though, or whether the right's angry at her the way they were angry at Warren. Either way, I really hope she doesn't retire.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

Who's going to be the first to pop, though? Retirement-wise, the pointy-heads are all saying that if one bows out it'll be either this year before the election or in 2005 (death, of course, excepted).

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 30 June 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

WASHINGTON (AP) — US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized for surgery for pancreatic cancer.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Jeez that sucks.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Although this makes it sound slightly less awful:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/05/us/AP-Scotus-Ginsburg.html?_r=1&hp

Alex in SF, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

double bird strike (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

;_;

The Reverend (rev), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

All the justices should have short, catchy nicknames and wear trucker hats with their nicknames stitched on the front. This would improve their deliberations and def add more weight to their dissenting opinions.

Aimless, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCOTUS_GINSBURG?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg plans to be back at work for the court's next public session, less than three weeks after surgery for pancreatic cancer.

Ginsburg intends to be in court when the justices hear arguments on Feb. 23, Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said Friday.

The 75-year-old justice is currently recuperating at a New York hospital after undergoing surgery on Thursday. Arberg had no other information on Ginsburg's condition.

Mr. Que, Friday, 6 February 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

souter stepping down, it sez.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 May 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Time to watch Hugh Hewitt start crying into his beer.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link

oh boy! Weekend Corner fodder!

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Why, it begins:

Supreme Court Justice Souter Retiring [Mark Hemingway]

NPR report here.

04/30 10:14 PM

--

Obama's First Supreme Moment [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

NBC is evidently reporting Souter will retire .... I see Mark posted this but I did from the Santa Monica pier and he didn't.

04/30 10:16 PM

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link

So how quick for the 'he KNEW Specter was switching and waited!' conspiracy theories to go around?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link

amazing to remember now how souter was demonized during his nomination process from the left and now he's going out as some sort of semi-hero

velko, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Signs of the times -- all RedState can do is say 'we need Jeff Sessions to be the ranking member on the committee!'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Souter was Reason #235 why the right hated George H.W. Bush. I doubt he'll leave a lasting impact on the court; moderates and swing votes in the Potter Stewart-Owen Roberts decision rare do. But he at least curbed excesses from the right.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

*decision = tradition

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks, guys, i accept your nomination

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I really expected Ginsburg to retire first, given her health problems.

Saula (Nicole), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link

has Stevens beat William O. Douglas in being the oldest serving judge (not the same as longest on the court)?

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

he just turned 89 last week iirc

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw rbg speak last month actually and she seemed pretty sharp!

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i guess douglas retired when he was 77

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Eric Anderson (mbitsko) wrote:

Hmmm....a RINO chooses this week to switch sides, thus giving the Dems a veto-proof majority, and all of a sudden Souter announces he's retiring.

Coincidence? Only if you're an IDIOT.
Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:08:30 PM

velko, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Well that didn't take long.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link

this one had me roflmao-ing

It was a good bet that at least two of the Supreme Court justices wouldn’t last this term (Ginsberg, cancer-striken, 76, & Stevens, 89). Here’s the third. And now, good citizens, we see the realization of the scariest, most dangerous promise of Obama’s election/ascendancy: his appointment of Supreme Court justices.

I will pray for my country tonight. (And buy ammo tomorrow.)

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

You know, if the dude wanted to write his memoirs I'd be all for it.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link

hopefully ginsberg or stevens goes out w/ a massacre, otherwise this really just treading water at best, no?

iatee, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Just the advantage of trading 70- and 80-somethings for 50-somethings.

WmC, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link

plus we can please get another woman on there for god's sake. more wimmin!

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link

not really a gain on the bench by replacing ginsberg, stevens, and souter though, is there? I mean, why won't scalia or thomas drop dead or retire or something, please?

akm, Friday, 1 May 2009 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Now you see the full deviousness of the Republican nomination strategy: pick 'em young, stonewall through the confirmation, and control that SCOTUS seat for 3 decades.

Aimless, Friday, 1 May 2009 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link

the Jeffrey Toobin book about SCOTUS claims that Souter was so bitter about Bush v Gore that he almost stepped down then.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think it needs to be said on this board, but if the Specter switch had anything to do with Souter's decision, I'll be totally amazed. It's all Obama election + getting to the end of the current court term.

WmC, Friday, 1 May 2009 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

On an unrelated note, Dahlia Lithwick has a funny play-by-play on the Voting Rights Act case currently before the Court.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw rbg speak last month actually and she seemed pretty sharp!

well, yeah

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

?

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i meant for someone who is old and has cancer and people expect to retire

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

lol malkin and her "legal sources" http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/01/obamas-choices-gird-your-loins/

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I think both sides' playbooks are already written and both are well-rehearsed. Just import the budget / government shutdown / debt ceiling subroutines, and do a search and replace for judicial appointments.

"Republicans are just the 'Party of No.' Obviously you have no agenda for governing, other than obstruction."

"Well, we wouldn't have to be that way if you had not been so divisive."

"Divisive? who came up with the whole 47% thing?"

"There you go again, politicizing the process! And when government intrusion is as rampant in our lives as it is today, perhaps what it needs is to be obstructed!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 15:11 (eight years ago) link

@RalstonReports
Breaking: Sandoval takes himself out of consideration for SCOTUS.

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

haha I was expecting it

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link

Can imagine some of the phone calls he got when his name was floated out there.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 25 February 2016 18:46 (eight years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link

hadda save some club memberships

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link

and possibly his left nut

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link

and possibly his left nut

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius)

cuz the right one was answered for

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link

i knew i was settin you up

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link

"Honoring God by honoring His creatures,"

honoring god's creatures by splattering their guts on the ground

crüt, Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link

No upside for Sandoval, obvs.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:45 (eight years ago) link

"Honoring God by honoring His creatures,"

honoring god's creatures by splattering their guts on the ground

― crüt, Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally spent the last ten minutes trying to put together a joke about latin conjugation but it just wasn't happening

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link

deguts-tabus very disgusting.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link

do they hunt in those?

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link

poon, maybe

goole, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

These fossils remind me of our college paper adviser's wife, who on learning our editor in chief was of Honduran descent chirped, "Oh, yes! Our gardener is Honduran."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

what if a democrat gets elected, and Rs just never approve another judge? now they have the "excuse" that obama's a lame duck that everyone knows is bullshit but is maybe just enough of a veneer to waste time. so presumably it would get harder to justify, but really what's stopping them? and then if the next judge to die is a D, we're back to conservative majority

flopson, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link

xp this has never really happened before so it is hard to know, if obama nominates someone and the democrats sustain coherent messaging around this it could be hard for the republicans to keep an obstruction campaign going that long, idk though

marcos, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link

Nothing stops the Senate from simply refusing to consent to any more justices.

The Court has had six, seven, and even ten justices at various times. Nothing magical about nine.

Any of them could die of course, but the next easily foreseen vacancy is Ginsburg's retirement (which will presumably be either five minutes after the next Democrat is elected, or five minutes after the next Democrat is inaugurated).

And Republicans could lose the Senate majority, which would complicate their ability to block justices by committee inaction (but they may retain the ability to filibuster).

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link

Is there really no procedure to force a committee to hold a hearing on something?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link

Yes, it's called "win the majority so that you control the chair."

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link

anything else is Stalinism

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 February 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link

Ginsburg's retirement (which will presumably be either five minutes after the next Democrat is elected, or five minutes after the next Democrat is inaugurated).

I think she wants to stay on the court and will not retire even if a Dem gets elected

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 February 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link

Well, let's at least agree she won't retire voluntarily under President Trump or President Cruz.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link

Washington Monthly sez Amy Klobuchar would be a good pick.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 February 2016 14:50 (eight years ago) link

If she got nominated and the Senate refused to hold a hearing, how would that affect her own job as a US Senator?

In other news:

Scalia's law clerks have to learn how to write for other justices, and not like Scalia:

By Supreme Court custom and tradition, the four law clerks will be absorbed by the chambers of other Justices and will be allowed to finish the Court Term. As a result, it is likely that several Justices will have a fifth law clerk for the next five months into July after the Court Term ends.

This will present them with some challenges and adjustments. Scalia told a law student group in fall 2014 that he took pride in the fact that his law clerks over the years had learned to imitate his writing style, even his very unique forceful, colorful, and acerbic style of dissenting opinions. The clerks will have to adapt to new ways of doing things.

The four clerks may also have some responsibilities for helping to organize Scalia’s papers, assuming that those papers may be donated to an archive in the future. This issue is discussed more below.

Who are the clerks? The three men and one woman hail from law schools at the University of Virginia, Chicago, Northwestern, and Harvard. All four clerked for federal appeals court judges before going to work for Scalia, and two also clerked for a federal district judge. Three graduated from law school in 2013 and one in 2011.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/scotus-for-law-students-questions-about-the-court-after-justice-scalias-death/#more-238831

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 February 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link

I know Roberts is the only justice who writes a considerable portion of his own opinions, but learning a couple years ago the degree to which Antonin Scalia, Brilliant Prose Stylist, uses clerk ghost writers amused me no end.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 February 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link

I'm sorry to hear that the clerks of a dead justice are not expected to leap onto the funeral pyre, or undergo seppuku in order to be buried with their late master.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 February 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link

buried alive in the same pyramid

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link

Meanwhile here's something interesting: a 1983 opinion piece written by one Antonin Scalia.

"The basic difference between the parties is quite simple: The Democrats want to run the country, and the Republicans don't want them to." I have since come to call this profound insight the Saxbe Hypothesis - the proposition that the basic goal of the Republican party is not to govern, but to prevent the Democrats from doing so.

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/1981/1/v5n1-3.pdf

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link

I know Roberts is the only justice who writes a considerable portion of his own opinions, but learning a couple years ago the degree to which Antonin Scalia, Brilliant Prose Stylist, uses clerk ghost writers amused me no end.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 26, 2016 12:15 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is pretty amusing! i had long thought that the CW was that Scalia was at the very least an entertaining writer, even when making bad decisions

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link

he was like Sid Caesar, did the awesome slapstick but hired a great staff

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link

just replace "slapstick" with "language that routinely demeans marginalized groups"

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:30 (eight years ago) link

that seems like more of a Don Rickles thing

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 February 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link

judicial slapstick defined

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:40 (eight years ago) link

antonin scalia, the don rickles of jurispudence

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link

what a legacy

https://bol.bna.com/scalias-death-prompts-dow-to-settle-suits-for-835-million/

The Midland, Michigan-based company disputed a jury’s finding it had conspired with four other chemical makers to fix urethane prices and asked the Supreme Court to take the class- action case on appeal. Scalia, one of the court’s most conservative members, had voted to scale back the reach of such group suits.

“Growing political uncertainties due to recent events with the Supreme Court and increased likelihood for unfavorable outcomes for business involved in class-action suits have changed Dow’s risk assessment of the situation,” the company said in an e-mailed statement.

goole, Friday, 26 February 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link

^^^ a big deal.

This not so much:

Antonin Scalia generally detested science. It threatened everything he believed in. He refused to join a recent Supreme Court opinion about DNA testing because it presented the details of textbook molecular biology as fact. He could not join because he did not know such things to be true, he said. (On the other hand, he knew all about the eighteenth century. History books were trustworthy; science books were not.) Scientists should be listened to only if they supported conservative causes, for example dubious studies purporting to demonstrate that same-sex parenting is harmful to children. Scientists were also good if they helped create technologies he liked, such as oil drills and deadly weapons.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link

I worked for him early in his tenure on the Supreme Court. He had visited my law school when I was a student, and I was smitten by his warmth and humor and sheer intellectual vibrancy. When I applied for a clerkship at the Court, my hero Justice Brennan quickly filled all his positions, so Scalia became my first choice. He offered me a job and I thought I’d won the lottery. I knew we differed politically, but he prized reason and I would help him be reasonable. A more naive young fool never drew breath.

I can attest to the many nice things people have said about the Justice. He was erudite and frighteningly smart. He said what he thought, not what was expedient. He was generous to friends and family. He loved his clerks and helped them get dream jobs. And we returned the favor by not thinking about what we were doing, then or afterward. What I took for the pursuit of reason in those chambers was in fact the manufacture of verbal munitions, to be deployed against civilian populations. From the comfort of our leather chairs, we never saw the victims.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

Saw that last bit from a Prof who had clerked. Helps put the lie to his genius and originalist text reading nonsense.

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 February 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link

The absence of Scalia is really sending shockwaves through the court:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/thomas-asks-questions

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link

the jokes write themselves obv

k3vin k., Monday, 29 February 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link

i wish the mic would have have awful feedback or cut out or something

Karl Malone, Monday, 29 February 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

unleash the booming baritone!

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 February 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link

Hey Alfred, where did you get that quote from the Scalia clerk?

tobo73, Monday, 29 February 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link

closing thread. Go here:

U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 12:33 (eight years ago) link


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