its kinda weird
― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
There are some prominent ones, e.g.,Sofia Coppola.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
if women are socialized to be looked at, maybe it's unsurprising that they don't choose/aren't chosen to do the looking
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that would explain the dearth of female artists, authors and photographers as well
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/blogs/outsidetheframe/nair-mira.jpg
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe it's rampant entrenched sexism in the film industry
just sayin
― Swat Valley High (goole), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
artists, authors and photographers are not managers
I know there are a handful active in the Hollywood system (Taymor, Campion, etc.) but the percentages are ridiculously low, especially compared to other creative professions.
― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
do adult men and women predominate among the subject matter of female photographers the way they do in the movies?
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
who is that in the photo, Allison Anders?
lolz who's gonna rep for Penny Marshall
― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Sofia Coppola of course has family connections
many prominent female directors seem to come from other countries
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Mira Nair
Kelly Reichardt
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Kathryn Bigelow!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
? cindy sherman, nan goldin, mary ellen mark, annie liebovitz, jodi cobb. . . .
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I can think of a few reasons:
* Film directing is probably considered a more "technical" (and hence stereotypically more masculine) way of doing art than, for example, painting or dancing. Especially since a lot if not most movie directors start by doing all the technical stuff like editing and shooting themselves, before their career reaches a point where they can hire others to do it.
* Making a movie requires a lot more financial backing, know-how, networking, etc, than painting or writing poems, for example. You've got a better chance of getting all that if you're a member of the Boys' Club.
* A film director is kinda like a CEO, and people stereotypically trust male leaders better than female leaders.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
cindy sherman takes pictures of herself
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
yah--she's an adult woman tho and that's what you were asking about
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
of Que's list, only Liebovitz would seem to act as a 'director' of straight men in her work, and she does, or originally did, so under the auspices of a male institution (often devoted to puffing up (sometimes gender-bending) men)
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
all of them take pictures of adult men and women
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you'll find many of the artistic positions that are more like "leader of a group" than "a solitary artist" to be male dominated: classical conductors, band leaders, theatre directors, etc. That's because in "solitary arts" a women can just say "Screw you!" to all the gender stereotypes and do whatever she wants, whereas with "group arts" you have to depend on financial and social backing from others, so the stereotypes are harder to ignore.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/movies/feature/2002/08/27/women_directors/index.html
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Women don't belong behind a camera – they belong behind a hot plate.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd have to guess that Nancy Meyers (The Parent Trap, What Women Want, Something's Gotta Give, The Holiday) is one of the most successful woman directors these days, box-office-wise.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
mimi lederclaire deniscatherine breillat
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
lol thread is all mangs posting
― cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Especially since a lot if not most movie directors start by doing all the technical stuff like editing
Editing seems to be a a pretty female friendly profession in the film industry
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Thelma Schoonmaker, yo.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Jill SprecherSusan Streitfeld
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Much more common than camera, errrrrrrr, persons for instance!
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Susan SeidelmanSarah Polley
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Belladonna
― cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
lols I am gross-o
― cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Not that bad a representation when compared to, say, being a music producer or conducting an orchestra
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Lisa Cholodenko
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Julie DelpyRobin SwicordKasi LemmonsNicole HolofcenerNancy Meyers
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Good we have named a whole bunch of people found thru google searches that hardly anyone wld be familiar with; glass ceiling broken.
― cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Callie Khouri
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
i like that this has turned into "name whatever female directors u can think of off the top of your head"
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
amy heckerling
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
That was always going to happen (xp)
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah, are we just naming female directors now? Doesn't prove anything, but OK:
Agnes VardaMary HarronKimberly PeirceLynne Ramsay
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
whole bunch of people found thru google searches that hardly anyone wld be familiar with
sorry, no
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
it proves that there are not zero female film directors.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf is naming female film directors proving, exactly?
― Lamp, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
asia argento
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe we're not proving anything ;)
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
ida lupino
― blair underwood: "man up" (omar little), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
you can bet on it, Ward, per the Janus Films copy re the NY revival.
http://metrograph.com/film/film/790/wanda
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
Shakey, there's a serviceable print of Wanda on YouTube, last time I looked. It's not a film where visual pleasure is paramount, but it would still be good to have a dece physical copy out there.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
I'll rent the criterion when it comes out
― Οὖτις, Friday, 10 August 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
The guy who put out a "Directed by Elaine May" T-shirt a couple of years ago has moved on to "Directed by Barbara Loden" T-shirts.
http://phildellio.tripod.com/loden.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
been hearing a lot about Wanda in the last month, trailer looked good. "an American Jeanne Dielman" sounds great
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 August 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
it's a lot shorter...
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Watched Wanda around the time of the road movie poll, it's fucking great.
― emil.y, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
Btw Morbs I can't remember which thread you posted it in, but that female cinematographers season looked really good.
― emil.y, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
Also, Wanda can't stand the heat, so she gets out of the kitchen.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
it was NY film snobs! series just ended at Lincoln Center
xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
Caught a screening of Wanda yesterday, preceded by two 1975 shorts which are apparently the only other films directed by Barbara Loden. The Frontier Experience was quite excellent (she also plays the lead in it).
But... The Boy Who Liked Deer, just 18 minutes long, is perhaps the saddest film I've ever seen. If this was actually shown to school kids, that's incredible.
― Josefa, Monday, 26 November 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
would love to see that, has the recent Wanda restoration gotten a home video release? I saw it about a month ago, really great, a movie made by its final shot.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 03:21 (five years ago) link
The Boy Who Liked Deer is on youtube, I see
― Josefa, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 05:04 (five years ago) link
Wanda is under the Janus Films umbrella, that means a CC eventually
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 05:21 (five years ago) link
I watched The Boy Who Liked Deer tonight. It would make a good double bill with Cipher in the Snow.
― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 06:23 (five years ago) link
xp crossing fingers for Kanopy access
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
I'm in no rush to revisit Wanda, but I'd love to see those shorts on a loaded Criterion (or other label) blu-ray disc.
― I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
re Wanda, Elia Kazan and...
Mel Brooks LEGEND pic.twitter.com/IZvkI4mvzp— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) January 9, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:18 (five years ago) link
btw Criterion of Wanda drops March 19
https://www.criterion.com/films/29450-wanda
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link
Olivia Wilde's Booksmart beats you senseless for an hour--appropriate that "You Oughta Know" figures prominently (first time I've ever not hated it)--but I found the last 20 minutes or so (everything post-party) rather sweet, and I'd guardedly recommend it.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
I agree it's an often fraught movie but this is a strange thread in which to post the criticism. It would work in the x movie thread.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
I liked booksmart enough that I was bummed it didn’t make me laugh much. It was an 11am showing on a Sunday and the rest of the audience weren’t laughing either so the circumstances were tough. idk it was pretty much exactly this tho
these are the only jokes in like 90% of movies now pic.twitter.com/Qap6VJIK6O— Nicole Silverberg (@nsilverberg) June 16, 2019
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
(xpost) I sometimes post thoughts in the last-x thread, but I usually try to find something a bit more specific...not that this is all that specific, but it's the best I could do without starting a new thread (which the film may warrant--as much as Eighth Grade, I'd say).
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
In retrospect, you're right to keep it here; like you, I think it's not as solid as Eighth Grade.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:35 (four years ago) link
What I liked best: that the film ends up aligning itself with the time-honored tradition of high school movies that argue there's-more-uniting-us-than-separating-us (which, in the here and now, when you're actually in high school, is a complete fantasy; it's only credible with some time and perspective--and maybe not even then, but it's a nice thought).
One thing that leaves me at a complete loss: where the line of acceptability is for over-the-top caricature. The two gay students...If Chris Rock (or fill-in-the-blank) tried something like that, he'd be run out of town. It doesn't outrage me or anything--I basically never get outraged at the movies, just bored--I'm just curious. If there's controversy over these two characters, it hasn't reached me.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link
You misread that sentence; it's less polished than Eight Grade (in that it's like a bulldozer), but I think it's a more interesting film.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:43 (four years ago) link
(I'm talking about the two guys--maybe the gay lead is seen as a fair trade-off.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link
A rewatch of Wandayesterday, and that educational short by Barbara Loden about the frontier mentioned above. It's halfway into her interview w/ Dick Cavett from 1970 before the other guests chime in with questions -- Jimmy Breslin and Howard Cosell.
The loser thief Wanda hooks up with is treated with surprising depth, I think, w/out letting him off the hook or painting him as anything but damaged and cruel.
I hadn't realized Loden stayed married to Elia Kazan from '67 til her death; I thought they split up at some point.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
Also, I've been to the religious theme park that Wanda and Mr Dennis visit. It's in Waterbury CT, and is essentially in ruins as it closed in 1984.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
XP According to the You Must Remember This about Loden, they had agreed to divorce when she got her cancer diagnosis.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
They were more or less separated for a lot of the '70s.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
pauline kael was so mean to barbara loden in her review
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 September 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
cavett is sort of a prick to her too in that interview
sort of in the way of the era
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
for sure, tho unusual for Cavett
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
Not really, bcz he's *trying* to be 1970-woke ("It must be harder to raise money for a film when you're a woman") but then puts his foot in it anyway. Similar Cavett moment in the trailer for the recent Toni Morrison doc. He was nailed by Rick Moranis' namedropping impression on SCTV.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
on the history of women editors
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6582-hidden-histories-the-story-of-women-film-editors
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 September 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
S.C. centennial
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6616-celebrating-shirley-clarke
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
new Lupino set
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/09/ida-lupino-box-set
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link
A woman I grew up with on Fire Island is making quite the name for herself as a director right now and it’s so awesome. Can’t wait to see what she ends up doing. This is her latest project: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2019/09/the-rhythm-section-trailer-blake-lively-reed-morano-1202174816/amp/
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
That Lupino set was announced maaaaybe a day or two after I bought The Hitch-Hiker. Which was pretty annoying. But the set doesn't contain Outrage which is a bit of an outrage unto itself.
― Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link
Went to see Hustlers the other night, good stuff
― Goose Witherspeen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
I recommend the pre-Code alcoholic romance Merrily We Go to Hell, directed by Dorothy Arzner (who quit directing features in the mid '40s, but later taught F Coppola at UCLA). Fredric March is a newspaperman turned playwright (a warmup lush for his Star Is Born role), Sylvia Sidney is his 'doormat' heiress wife, and when they end up in an open marriage she takes revenge with Cary Grant (one scene). Recently issued on a Universal disc.
https://www.screenslate.com/features/172
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
^^^ watching this afternoon on Criterion Channel (recently added).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
Just watched Working Girls, which the Criterion Channel just put up as a companion to MWGtH. The screenwriters and director must have worked hard to get a happy ending for foolish sister May and wise sister June, in the big city and surrounded by men of varying morals. But they achieved it.
Related topic: Why do discussions of women in film rarely discuss female screenwriters?
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Thursday, 3 September 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
well we all love rio bravo
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 05:51 (three years ago) link
https://www.criterion.com/films/27854-daisies
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link
Great film! I saw Chytilová's follow-up The Fruit of Paradise but don't remember anything other than bewilderment.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link
My favourite film! Got to see it on the big screen a few times, the best was last year with a p raucous audience of mainly students who were v nonplussed but loved it
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 16:46 (one year ago) link
There's already an excellent blu-ray of this from Second Run, a label that's shown far greater commitment to East European cinema than Criterion. They also offer other Chytilová films:
https://www.secondrundvd.com/release_daisiesBD.html
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link