rolling "dave zirin sons a sports writer/figure and my commie ass self-righteously otms him"

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we really should have an i love sports board, fwiw. this guy is the best

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/535690/to_espn_s_bill_simmons_tiger_woods_is_not_muhammad_ali

jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

But that comparison is inspired compared to recent comments by "ESPN's The Sports Guy" Bill Simmons. Simmons wrote that Tiger Woods's return to golf from "sex addiction" would be tougher than Ali's return to the ring after being banished for opposing the war in Vietnam. Yes, for Simmons, Ali's efforts to resist the military draft are dwarfed in importance by Tiger's efforts to resist nookie.

His take on Simmons's statement has nothing to do with what Simmons wrote.

One can view Ali's actions as greater, more momentous, while simultaneously believing that Woods's return (from more trivial matters) will be more difficult. (This is a common problem with 'left-wing' critiques of popular media, it seems like - cf. Rosenbaum arguing that Mystic River championed vigilanteism.)

Zirin writes about the criticism Ali took during his exile from boxing and on his return - but those sportswriters (and the people they spoke to) already hated him for being who he was. Woods comes back to face a media, fanbase and corporate world that loved him above all.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

And Simmons is an easy target, the sports world Chuck Klosterman, but it's pretty hard to argue his love of boxing or Ali in particular.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure the Tiger Woods Reality Show feels bigger than anything Ali endured. But in the reality based community, the legend of the Champ only grows.

Seriously, you have to work really hard to find any implicit criticism of Ali in anything Zirin quotes Simmons as saying. Yeesh.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

simmons was probably wrong but it's so lol to see guys fall all over themselves try to son him on their blogs.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

tbh simmons is a pretty easy target and his recent criticisms of jemele hill and paul shirley were much more fruitful, but dude functions as a great ombudsman for the sportswriting world imo and it's a niche that needs more prominence

jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

u also gotta separate a comment in a chat from an entire column.

the more i read of this guy he just seems like kind of a drag--like does he ever write about liking something?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

deadspin eviscerated simmons for his comparison too but i think he makes a valid point or two

waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm a pretty big simmons stan, but that was a dumb comparison - tiger will be fine a few months after the first Open he returns to. But it is just a tossed off chat comment, and probably not worthy of too much self-righteous recrimation.

Luz, a saucy taco slinger (hmmmm), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

at the very least it's true that tiger's first tourney back is gonna be one of the most anticipated & frenzied sporting events of our lifetime

waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah tossed-off chat comment is really the story here--it's a complicated idea and maybe he could actually back it up in expanded form. but it's like who cares that chat was three hours long and he answered dozens of messages.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

the more i read of this guy he just seems like kind of a drag--like does he ever write about liking something?

― call all destroyer, Monday, March 1, 2010 11:45 PM (13 minutes ago)

ha well this is my fault for posting all of his downer zingy articles here

jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 04:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

the more i read of this guy he just seems like kind of a drag--like does he ever write about liking something?

― call all destroyer, Monday, March 1, 2010 11:45 PM (13 minutes ago)

this is how i feel about GREATEST AMERICAN SPORTSWRITER charles pierce

waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

the first time I read that thread I read it as "self-righteously rims him"

Ballistic, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol nah kev i flip through his archives now and again too...just read one where he argues that sports need to accept that gender is a social construction (w/r/t that track athlete from south africa who got scrutinized and gender tested)--an idea which is uh complicated to say the least.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was SHOCKED to find out that the best pierce can do nowadays is a little blog on boston.com that i've never seen in my life (nb i read boston.com every day). he is an awful these days.

btw does somebody think he is the g.a.s.?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

zirin is great, a thousand times better than bill simmons, fuck the h8rs

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

also have NO CLUE what any of this has to do with mystic river!?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

we really should have an i love sports board, fwiw. this guy is the best

― jaded scorer (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:07 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

America already has a ILBB, ILH and ILNFL? Although I'd be in favour of killing these for a more general ILS

80085 (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

also have NO CLUE what any of this has to do with mystic river!?

lefty misreadings based on preconceived ideas about the maker/work

I don't know anything else about Zirin, but the leaps here are nutty.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

dunno if thats really a 'lefty' thing? isnt that a pretty common fallacy?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Tiger's comeback is going to be the most fascinating running sports story of my lifetime. I really believe that. We only get a handful of truly transcendent athletes per lifetime, he's one of them, and yet, none of them have ever been tested this way. The only thing that comes close: When Ali returned from 4 years of boxing exile for refusing to serve in Vietnam."

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

dont think it takes a huge leap to read that and go o_O

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

like u said, "One can view Ali's actions as greater, more momentous, while simultaneously believing that Woods's return (from more trivial matters) will be more difficult." orrr one can believe that a comparison btw the two events is offensive on its very face

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's a pretty common fallacy that you see at NRO/etc. every day, but when it comes from lefty sources it annoys me more.

The leap there is that Zirin takes that statement and runs for a few hundred words on how Simmons doesn't think that Ali's exile and comeback were that big a deal, Tiger is a greater issue, etc.. Which is crap. Simmons never writes or says anything to that effect. ie "Yes, for Simmons, Ali's efforts to resist the military draft are dwarfed in importance by Tiger's efforts to resist nookie." - that simply isn't supportable with Simmons's own words. The unnecessary insults are just icing on the retarded rhetorical cake.

like u said, "One can view Ali's actions as greater, more momentous, while simultaneously believing that Woods's return (from more trivial matters) will be more difficult." orrr one can believe that a comparison btw the two events is offensive on its very face

Why? What's offensive?

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

one is the return from a principled religious stand and one is a return from a manufactured controversy?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Yes, for Simmons, Ali's efforts to resist the military draft are dwarfed in importance by Tiger's efforts to resist nookie." - that simply isn't supportable with Simmons's own words.

i kind of think it is! he says the only thing that "comes close" to tigers comeback--i.e. the runner-up to tigers troubles--is ali coming back from being a religious objector

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

People (like Zirin) are conflating the reason for the hurdle with the height of the hurdle; Simmon's doesn't equate the backstories, only the size of the challenge ahead.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah and hes wrong to do so, and hes wrong on the merits

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

As long as you understand your talking apples v oranges, than okay.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

i know its apples vs. oranges. does simmons?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

America already has a ILBB, ILH and ILNFL? Although I'd be in favour of killing these for a more general ILS

uh no, only one sport matters.

Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he pretty clearly recognizes the difference in the situations. That's why he only compares the challenge of coming back.

Saying a comparison is offensive on it's face is pretty dumb, IMO. Either you can make the argument or you can't, and Simmons does so by restricting it to the 'height of the hurdle.' The criticisms Zirin can come up with are either generic ad hominem or have nothing to do with Simmons's words.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

must feel good to blow up the internet w/a single chat paragraph

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he pretty clearly recognizes the difference in the situations. That's why he only compares the challenge of coming back.

Saying a comparison is offensive on it's face is pretty dumb, IMO. Either you can make the argument or you can't, and Simmons does so by restricting it to the 'height of the hurdle.' The criticisms Zirin can come up with are either generic ad hominem or have nothing to do with Simmons's words.

i think its ridiculous to pretend that you can "only compare the challenge of coming back"! the conditions of these athletes comebacks--i.e. the things that create the "challenge"--are dictated by the reasons for their departures.

why is it dumb to say a comparison is offensive on its face? we do this all the time--if someone says, "health-care reform is like naziism," a lot of people arent going to say, "well, because he restricted it to the fact that the nazis reformed german laws, and health-care reform reforms american laws, its inoffensive." its offensive on its face because it trivializes the historical importance of naziism!

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

irrc the thrust is tigers return is a lol hueg sports deal - omg biggest deal ever, hyperbole, sure - however, the point stands, crazy shitstorm

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

i mean this is one of those things--we all make stupid, borderline offensive comparisons. and if simmons had been like "yeah thats not accurate" when he got called out on it, i dont think anyone would have cared. but not only did he dig in his heels when his commenters cried BS, he accused them of being misinformed about 'ali history' or whatever

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Tiger's comeback is going to be the most fascinating running sports story of my lifetime. I really believe that. We only get a handful of truly transcendent athletes per lifetime, he's one of them, and yet, none of them have ever been tested this way. The only thing that comes close: When Ali returned from 4 years of boxing exile for refusing to serve in Vietnam."

^^ i mean there are a number of ways to read this, but i read it as. "this is a huge sports story. no other athletes of tigers stature have been tested this way. the only athlete who comes close to having been tested this way is ali when he returned to boxing"

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

theres so much more media now - by weight his calculation is prob accurate

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

read zirins article for the counterargument

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

i mean how many death threats is tiger getting u know?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont really want to do that

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

was tiger arrested? was his passport revoked? did the fbi tap tigers phone?

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Saying no act/event can be compared to the Nazis/Holocaust because doing so insults the memory and importance is pretty dumb too.

The conditions of their downfall play into the difficulty of the comeback, but nothing about that means you're comparing the causes or importance of those events. Nowhere does Simmons suggest that fucking porn stars and being a conscientous objector are equivalent acts. Only that Tiger faces the greatest difficulty in rebuilding his career since Ali.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

lots of people get death threats, its not imo that telling of a stat

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Saying no act/event can be compared to the Nazis/Holocaust because doing so insults the memory and importance is pretty dumb too.

whoa there buddy where did i say that? there are a lot of things that make for good comparison to naziism; health-care reform is not one of them. there are a lot of things that are good comparisons to alis stand and subsequent comeback; tiger woods is not one of them

The conditions of their downfall play into the difficulty of the comeback, but nothing about that means you're comparing the causes or importance of those events. Nowhere does Simmons suggest that fucking porn stars and being a conscientous objector are equivalent acts. Only that Tiger faces the greatest difficulty in rebuilding his career since Ali.

you are implicitly comparing the two acts if you are comparing their outcomes!

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

arent u supposed to be on your way to nepal

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

they have the internet there

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

death threats are not an officially recognized 'stat' anyway

max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Some golfers who have not even won 4 majors in their entire careers: Phil Mickelson, Vijay Singh, Ernie Els, Padraig Harrington, Nick Price, Greg Norman...

So Tiger coming back and being on par with those guys wouldn't be an enormous step down?

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Thursday, 4 March 2010 06:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

It would, but I think he'll win around eight more.

Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 March 2010 06:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

strongly considered getting a boston.com commenting account just to mock pierce, but not worth it

call all destroyer, Friday, 5 March 2010 03:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's kind of a sadly anonymous blog...

HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 March 2010 03:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

like i said, i read boston.com daily and didn't even know about it until this simmons thing happened

call all destroyer, Friday, 5 March 2010 03:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

yoooooooo

"I am again left to marvel how somebody can rise to a fairly prominent media position with no discernible insight or talent, save for an apparent ability to mix up a vast bowl of word salad very quickly." - Olbermann, today

sportsguy33 KO, please know the feeling is mutual. You're my worst case scenario for my career in 12 yrs: a pious, unlikable blowhard who lives alone.

jizzchin (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 March 2010 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

HOO!

ice cr?m, Friday, 5 March 2010 23:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

d-d-d-daaaaaaaamn

sbing is the only love (Lamp), Friday, 5 March 2010 23:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

a-rod was a distraction for the first month of the season when he was hitting .220

this is not even true btw. yanks had a 10 game win streak w/in a wk of him coming back

johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 March 2010 04:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

it might distract the sport some but i agree the golf reporters/broadcasters are gonna treat him v. softly

when they 1st announced he was making that "statement" @ pga hq i heard it referred to abt 4 times in promos as his 1st public statement since his 1-car accident, no elaboration of any cheating, etc

johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 March 2010 04:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

^during golf coverage i mean

johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 March 2010 04:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

And Simmons is an easy target, the sports world Chuck Klosterman, but it's pretty hard to argue his love of boxing or Ali in particular.

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, March 2, 2010 3:20 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

Simmons doesn't know shit about boxing. He knows basketball, some football and baseball (the Red Sox, mostly).

With boxing he's a dilettante and should really just shut the fuck up most of the time.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 6 March 2010 07:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Case in point, his ridiculous "last great fight" article re: Mayweather-De La Hoya.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 6 March 2010 07:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Putting aside the social/turmoil issue, from a physical standpoint Ali was still in his boxing prime (28) and hadn't taken the physical punishment of boxing for over three years. Contrast to Tiger being on the way out of his golfing prime and coming back from a recent injury.

― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z)

Ali hadn't sparred in years, had gotten fat, lost a dramatic amount of his speed. And he was going to have to go 15 rounds with Joe fucking Frazier.

Tiger has a sore knee. Give me a fucking break.

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 6 March 2010 07:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

yo I know I'm late to the party but what makes me maddest about all this is Simmons reaching for the tenuous Ali connection when there is an infinitely more reasonable comparison available in the form of 2003 Kobe Bryant

some pretty girls make bigger graves than others (bernard snowy), Sunday, 7 March 2010 01:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp - except Ali didn't fight Frazier right away.

FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Sunday, 7 March 2010 01:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

otm http://www.thenation.com/blog/164638/nba-players-welcome-99-percent

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ absolutely fucking OTM.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was otm on this thread

max, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

mystic river was a horrible movie max

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny that charlie pierce now writes for bill simmons' website

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's a good piece by zirin. it's shameful that public sentiment isn't with the players.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think people already think the players are spoiled babies and they dont really know who the owners are is the dynamic at work here

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

seems like the owners successfully convinced everyone that the league is not profitable while there was absolutely no way to do that with the nfl.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

why is it that "the public" gets all up in arms about athletes getting paid but not about like movie stars? is it that hollywood is seen as more of a business than ml sports? or is it about the fact that most americans played sports as kids?

max, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

its because of racism

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol, duh, cant believe i forgot about america

max, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i bet most people don't even really know how much movie stars make beyond "a lot"! whereas if you follow a team closely there's a good chance you know the salaries of most of the ppl on that team.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

also racism

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it about the fact that most americans played sports as kids?

Have you ever heard a sportstalk radio caller wail "I'd play for free!" NO ONE WOULD WATCH YOU.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

funny enough, the contract numbers for upper echelon sports stars are probably the closest to a purely honest market outcome in compensation you could find among rich people

goole, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

true!

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

im all for the players getting all the money, theyre the ones who play the basketball

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

what ceo would settle for a few dozen million over 5 or so years? peanuts?

what owner would settle for any return that depended on his youth and physical health? ridiculous

goole, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

good piece -- glad to see that brendan fraser is getting work still

yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

zirin's an idiot

am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

“Rooting for” is not “voting for,”

It's not?! But Zirin expressly said that it was!

Perkins' misapprehension of Zirin's piece strikes me as willful (and embarrassing).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

from the comments:

I find it odd that Zirin left out the equally despicable ownership of the Heat. The American Airlines Arena the Heat play in is owned by Miami County. The Heat pay zero rent to use the arena and several politicians have publicly lambasted the deal that created this illogical arrangement. Basically, Heat majority owner Micky Arison used his dough to influence decision makers and push the deal through at the expense of the taxyers who funded the arena's construction.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, that's definitely an important point, and Zirin (and Perkins) should have made it.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha curmudgeon just posted what i was gonna post

am0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

When Miami Heat owner Micky Arison struck a deal with Miami-Dade County to build the $213 million American Airlines Arena in 1997, he was supposed to return 40 percent of all profits beyond $14 million to the county. It was deemed a fair exchange for the $38 million worth of land and the $6.4 million annual subsidy (through 2027) he received for the new stadium.
But according to the Miami New Times, Arison has yet to return a single penny to the county – even after the arrival of LeBron James and Chris Bosh propelled the Heat to the NBA finals and the arena to a record $60 million in revenue last year.
That’s because Arison reported expenses of $47.8 million at the arena, $12 million of which came from “depreciation and amortization.” Even though revenues rose $15 million in 2011, team profits still couldn’t surpass the $14 million threshold.
The New Times speculates that Arison is using accounting tricks to ensure that profits don’t exceed $14 million, and he never has to share any of his winnings with the taxpayers that built his arena. [Miami New Times]

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

While Bennett said all the right things about keeping the Sonics in Seattle, a team executive dinner on September 9, 2006, tells you all you need to know about the man and his motives. On that fine evening, the Sonics management, all held over from the previous ownership regime, all Pacific Northwesters, gathered in Oklahoma to meet the new boss. Bennett made sure they were sent to a top restaurant, and picked up the bill. As the Seattle execs sat down, four plates of a deep fried appetizer were put on the table. After filling their mouths with the crispy goodness, one asked the waitress what this curious dish with a nutty flavor actually was. It was lamb testicles. Bennett laughed at their discomfort and the message was clear: the Sonics could eat his balls. (See Sonicsgate.com for a full accounting of this theft.)

didnt know mr. t was a minority owner of the thunder

Hamburger Hitler (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does Zirin not know who Aubrey McClendon is? Probably no CEO has gotten more bad press the last few months and he doesn't mention any of it. Or the fact that he funded the Swift Boat ads. etc etc.

boxall, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

The American Airlines Arena the Heat play in is owned by Miami County. The Heat pay zero rent to use the arena and several politicians have publicly lambasted the deal that created this illogical arrangement. Basically, Heat majority owner Micky Arison used his dough to influence decision makers and push the deal through at the expense of the taxyers who funded the arena's construction.

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i have no idea if mickey arison is a good/bad person, but this is how every single stadium in america comes to fruition. pretty unremarkable, especially compared to bennett/mclendon.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't really think that people should choose their rooting interests based on the politics or actions of a team's owner because almost all of them are shitty rich bastards. but the OKC owner are a special type of shitty rich bastard, so it adds a silver lining to any misfortune that the team should experience.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, although Wiki says there are some who hold Arison, the Carnival cruise line owner, and one of the wealthiest men in the world, responsible for that cruise ship that crashed in Italy killing 32 people.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink


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