Mordy writes:
We don't really have a rolling philosophy thread (maybe we should)
I agree.
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Exciting times! Do any of you read Robert Hanson? More libertarian-econ than straight philosophy, but one of my fave academia-related bloggers.http://overcomingbias.com/
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
as of right now, I have less than ten pages left of Dominic Fox's Cold World
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
woops, here's a direct link: http://www.o-books.com/book/detail/349/Cold-World
oh man dominic fox is the "let's be depressed, that'll show em" bro rite?
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, hm, let's move conversation over here so that this thread gets a boost and Zizek doesn't get unrelated convo. You're clearly WAY more rigorous about delineating disciplinary spaces than I am. Like I'm happy calling Marx a philosopher instead of a political economist. Or Butler a philosopher instead of a Gender Studies Critical Theorist.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah im kind of an a-hole that way
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, I got a few philosophy-related books recently. "Living in the End Times," by Zizek (lol, that could've gone in the other thread), "Extra Lives," by Tom Bissell, which is a bit of culture theory (on video games), phenomenology of art, and other stuff, and "Closing the Global Achievement Gap," by Tony Wagner, which is more concerned with pedagogy than theory, but feels relevant (especially when it touches on issues of the academy -- like what the purpose of the University is/should be.)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
feel the exact same way^^ studied a bit a couple of years back but after doing other stuff since i feel stupid yet again
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
this ish is my day job so I don't really want to get into it hot & heavy here but I'll bookmark this thread & maybe I can play some ball occasionally. I know nothing about the people you're talking about here; don't really consider crit theory "philosophy" (I'm an analytic philosopher; worse, a logician) so gonna stay out of talk of that for sure.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
shd probably call this thread "notes towards a rolling conceptualizations & frameworks thread"
― max, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
well, crit theory can mean continental philosophy, obv not analytic philosophy tho.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah part of my problem was i came for the philosophy and stayed for the formal logic.
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"real" "philosophy" is basically boring math, imo
― max, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"crit theory" is like getting stoned w/ french dudes
no doubt; it's just that on ILX the philosophers people talk about are invariably people I've never read or even really heard of, and yet I do this shit for a living---which either means my side of philo needs to get the word out more or else I'm just too provincial. tbf analytic philosophy can be a pain in the ass to get into & it tends to be kinda "deflating" rather than ~mystical~ or ~political~ (those aren't necessary bad things of course) so I think analytic philosophy isn't as entrancing to your typical inquisitive person.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
also it's funny b/c I spend lots of time in France, and my colleagues here are always amused at what Americans think of French philosophy (the reality afaict is that French philosophers take history way more seriously than your typical American or English philosopher)---on the other hand Bernard-Henri Lévi is on tv all the time here so maybe Americans do have the right idea.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its less that analytic doesnt get the word out and more that people tend to get into ILX via the music side of the board which leans heavily on criticism steeped in continental philosophy! whereas WHAT CAN YOUR FASCIST MATH-THOUGHT TEACH ME ABOUT MUSIC, MAN
― max, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
analytic/continental divide is boring -- there's good stuff on both sides
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
robin hanson, man, that dude...
― goole, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
implacably insane, in a good way
― goole, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"analytic philosophy can be a pain in the ass to get into & it tends to be kinda "deflating" rather than ~mystical~ or ~political~ "
whoa this sounds like such a drag
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Did analytic philosophy at university and critical theory at MA level, so I have time for both sides of the discipline. Moving more towards literary theory these days, though, so I'm interested in hearing the logicians' debate on this thread.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
logic rules & I'm supposed to write something on it for a "general audience" later this year & when I do I may bounce it off ILX b/c tbh I could use feedback on it from non-specialists...gonna be a few months though.
― Euler, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― ksh, Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:22 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark
h8 this approach to... everything really
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda like
http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2010/05/church.jpg
imo
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lol buddhism?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
nah like judeo-christio-buddho-hindu-islamo-shinto-donkey-wheelism, aka 'the best bits of everything'
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
LOST
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I just meant the circled thing isn't donkey wheelism, it's buddhism.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra
oh hah i hadnt even looked at the image, i was just having a kneejerk response to all those words in a row
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
they are not reborn in lost i think
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought that was why the nope
cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.
is the point
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
philosophy
man
ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.
n e ways, plaxico otm
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like u r def. the man to do that good look
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.
I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think those people are assholes.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited
not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
'Perversely' because he doesn't tackle time in a systematic fashion, not for any other reason. If anything, I prefer Blanchot.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 07:53 (five years ago) link
Thanks everyone, these suggestions look promising.
Euler, the project specifically sets out to address A- B- debates, but I may understand them better when I've done at least some cursory exploration of other traditions.
j., there likely won't be time (ho ho) to engage properly with Ratcliffe's project, but I've just downloaded a full text from his research gate page, again in the hope of just gaining some perspective. Our project has a developmental angle, so we're spending a lot of time devising tasks for kids.
― ljubljana, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:28 (five years ago) link
Regarding "Philosophy of Technology" this is coming out soon from a good series and looks like fun:
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/elements-of-a-philosophy-of-technology
― ryan, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
Anyone on this board reading Reza Negarestani's "Intelligence and Spirit" ?
https://www.urbanomic.com/book/intelligence-and-spirit/
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 16 December 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
ryan should totally be reading that
― j., Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Yikes
― jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
huh that looks interesting! I just ordered it, lol. don't know anything about negarestani though.
― ryan, Sunday, 16 December 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
I’ve made friends with dome critical theory/philo grad students who talk about Deleuze all the time. learned about the plane of immanence last night. still not totally clear on the concept
― flopson, Sunday, 16 December 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
you and me both buddy
― j., Monday, 17 December 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
re: philosophy of tech, i'm a dilettante when it comes to philsophy but i took a philosophy of technology class anyway and this was the main text: https://books.google.com/books/about/Technology_and_Values.html?id=BgYc9_ldWFYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false
i enjoyed it even if it was often beyond my pay grade
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 17 December 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
currently making my way through the new translation of The Phenomenology of Spirit for the first time. I gotta say, this book is wild.
Also, I don't know anything about Brandom but I'm looking forward to reading this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674976819/
Forty years in the making, this long-awaited reinterpretation of Hegel’s The Phenomenology of Spirit is a landmark contribution to philosophy by one of the world’s best-known and most influential philosophers.
In this much-anticipated work, Robert Brandom presents a completely new retelling of the romantic rationalist adventure of ideas that is Hegel’s classic The Phenomenology of Spirit. Connecting analytic, continental, and historical traditions, Brandom shows how dominant modes of thought in contemporary philosophy are challenged by Hegel.
A Spirit of Trust is about the massive historical shift in the life of humankind that constitutes the advent of modernity. In his Critiques, Kant talks about the distinction between what things are in themselves and how they appear to us; Hegel sees Kant’s distinction as making explicit what separates the ancient and modern worlds. In the ancient world, normative statuses―judgments of what ought to be―were taken to state objective facts. In the modern world, these judgments are taken to be determined by attitudes―subjective stances. Hegel supports a view combining both of those approaches, which Brandom calls “objective idealism”: there is an objective reality, but we cannot make sense of it without first making sense of how we think about it.
According to Hegel’s approach, we become agents only when taken as such by other agents. This means that normative statuses such as commitment, responsibility, and authority are instituted by social practices of reciprocal recognition. Brandom argues that when our self-conscious recognitive attitudes take the radical form of magnanimity and trust that Hegel describes, we can overcome a troubled modernity and enter a new age of spirit.
― ryan, Friday, 8 March 2019 04:27 (five years ago) link
oh is that all we gotta do
― j., Friday, 8 March 2019 04:33 (five years ago) link
Handing out Hegel to all the world, like LSD in the water supply.
― ryan, Friday, 8 March 2019 05:10 (five years ago) link
what has happened to nina power exactly? is she a pagan terf crypto-fascist now? she's been hanging out with justin murphy. this is a point-by-point denunciation of a video I have not yet watched https://write.as/7v8fbjq9ekoaxl3z.md. what would k-punk say?!
― ogmor, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 09:50 (five years ago) link
Why is it so hard for these people to veer Euro new age without revelling in the underlying fash? It doesn't have to be, although you'd be forgiven for not buying that.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 10:14 (five years ago) link
nina "white" power
― j., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link
Speaking truth to power.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
one of these years (probably not this one) I'm gonna go through a Hegel phase, and I'll probably end up more obnoxious than ever. I did go to Jena last summer.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
Hegel-Hegel or Hegel-Kojève?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:39 (five years ago) link
I want it raw
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:42 (five years ago) link
ODB's 'Shimmy Shimmy Ya' is ripe for a Hegelian take.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:51 (five years ago) link
as someone who knows nina a bit and knows lots of people who know her better i can say i have no idea how she's ended up in this horrible place
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
White privilege is a helluva drug
― Carpool Tunnel (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
This is a good piece on Cavell - sympathetic and critical.
https://www.lareviewofbooks.org/article/must-we-mean-what-we-say-on-the-life-and-thought-of-stanley-cavell
― jmm, Sunday, 28 April 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
Wow
― Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link
Anyone reading/read Korsgaard’s Fellow Creatures? I’m enjoying it - it’s very good.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 28 June 2019 10:43 (four years ago) link
wait, how did i only just find out that colin mcginn's legal defence was "in a sense there is nothing that is not a hand job" ?
― mark s, Sunday, 21 July 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
A young Adorno expresses his distaste for the academy in a letter to Kracauer (29.5.1931): "I don’t want to produce scholarship or a worldview, but something...which embitters people who basically only ever want to enquire into the meaning of existence using Aristotle or Hegel."— Adam Baltner (@schaumahaltmal) December 5, 2019
― j., Friday, 6 December 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
Speaking of Adorno, do any of you have any opinions on Raymond Geuss?
― ryan, Friday, 6 December 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
i geuss not
― ingredience (map), Friday, 6 December 2019 23:43 (four years ago) link
i like him, even so much of what i've read of his has that uh i dunno how to describe it that clever oxbridge impatience to it - at least he turns it against his own social circle which is sweet. still have never really read his long-ago book on critical theory. it seems lately he's in one of those late-career periods that philosophers go through when they're hitting a big ~publish all~ button, which is fine.
his casually thrown off book of essays on historical philosophers 'changing the subject' is very good, with some differences of taste it actually feels like a representation of ~my~ history of philosophy for once.
and i really like his little book - reprinting lectures i think? - on public goods & private goods.
― j., Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
Does anyone know of a good reference (preferably an article) that neatly summarizes the Heidegger-and-Nazism debate? I'm writing an essay where I have to allude to this but since it's not really central to what I'm talking about I would like to avoid wading into a huge pile of literature.
― VC, Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
scruton: dead
― j., Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/uH8W5RAlW2— where are the pobblebonks of yesteryear (@AmneMachin) January 21, 2020
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
:D
― the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link
Doug struggling with Kant. I feel you buddy pic.twitter.com/Nf2yvucyPP— Graham (@onalifeglug) May 30, 2020
― j., Sunday, 31 May 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
Good obituary:
https://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/bernard-stiegler-in-memoriam/
Reportedly a suicide, in reaction to an unnamed chronic illness (echoes of Deleuze).
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
Thanks pom, good piece
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
Seconded, thanks for posting that. Very sad this is how he went.
― Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
I did not know of him, but thanks for posting this.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Here he is in the 2004 documentary film The Ister, which is how I got wind of him in the first place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymtnUDAOEWc
The entire thing is very much worth watching btw.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
I was aware of him but that obituary definitely inspires me to read him
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Vol. 1 of Technics and Time is the watershed, even though it may not be the most approachable starting point (that distinction goes to Acting Out, which incidentally overdetermines the theatrical undertones of Passer à l'acte, but such are the vagaries of translation). His treaties on 'symbolic misery' are also quite thought-provoking, albeit shot through with the typically French assumption that high brow culture needs to be democratized because it is 'superior'. I am less taken with his later works, which frantically aspire towards a Theory of Everything of technocapitalist oppression – a laudable aim yet one that requires a bit more caution than he exhibits.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
Totalization always feels like a daft game tbh but I understand the lure, totally
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
sounds like the later stuff is more up my alley then as i'm a total whore for technocapitalist oppression theorizing
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
Don’t get me wrong, his ‘late period’ is a treasure trove as well. He tackles the topic with more depth and aplomb than e.g. Baudrillard imo.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
His daughter, Barbara Stiegler, is also a noted philosopher and based on what little I know of her work she is also drawn to the same kinds of themes, e.g. adaptability as neoliberal imperative.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
Yes, she teaches in Bordeaux I think. I knew her name but not his.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
the obit is really good. i just ordered "The Neganthropocene (Critical Climate Chaos)" because amazon says it will arrive before i go on a no-internet camping trip over the weekend. it looks fun.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link
Haven't read that one. Do report (if you feel like it, of course)!
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link