T/S: Aging Mod Dudes vs Aging Punk Dudes

Isn't the first pic Liam Gallagher in 5 years minutes from now?

haha, I have spent all the time since this poll was posted looking at that trying to work out if it's Liam Gallagher or not.

Yes, Liam Gallagher rocking the haircut favoured by Media Studies lecturers in FE and guys who hang around the bar at Northern Soul nights.

Ideally the model Punk guy would have a septum piercing and a copy of Socialist Worker under his arm but I was working on a US hegemonic search engine.

thread collision!

He would occasionally drop in on my mod band

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jan/05/popandrock

Harris looks like he could teach BTEC National Diploma Music in his sleep.

the lazy punk aesthetic refuses to die in u.s., too. people here are too dumb and uncouth to do the mod thing, though

Don't they have Ben Sherman shirts in America?

Anyway these are both despicable obv but I thought we shd have a change from "who's the worst?"

older punx in the u.s. would probably be a little more grungey gutter punk usually...u.k. always had a certain element to punk that felt like everyone was dressing up for halloween

older mod dudez can look kinda cool IMO but i'm so removed from it maybe it's annoying in the u.k. if you actually see it.

mods are kinda like unicorns to me, like i'm just kinda blown away to actually see one on the rare occaission that i do

surely mod dudes are worse via smug aura from having 'won' (in their view) popular culture?

Older UK punks are grubbier than the guy in the pic too, it was just the first usable GIS I came across.

I think the Mod guys might well be worse, and it is down to how they carry themselves mostly yes.

yeah, there are ben sherman shirts in america. i have seen them on s. people who fetishize mod stuff and b. racist skinhead types

older punx in the u.s. would probably be a little more grungey gutter punk usually...u.k. always had a certain element to punk that felt like everyone was dressing up for halloween

i see both varieties everyday. nomadic homeless crusty punks panhandling, and halloween sorts with the haircuts, black leather, spikes, swimming in tattoos, etc.

there are more mods on the west coast, i think? i'm sure there are tons of u.s.-based scooter clubs on facebook

yeah, there are ben sherman shirts in america. i have seen them on s. people who fetishize mod stuff and b. racist skinhead types

freudian slip-- "s" for suggest, "b" ban

those being my favorite brands of underarm deodorant

You occasionally see the ageing mod who hasn't changed his outfit in thirty years (and, even better, the officially old original mod who hasn't changed his in fifty, although those dudes are probably a bit crazy), but I don't know that I've ever seen a 50-year-old guy decked out in the full Richard Hell kit. So I side with the punks. Or the mods. Someone give me some criteria to work with.

Wd you rather hang with dude who won't shut up about Paul Weller or won't shut up about Steve Ignorant? Me I'm siding with the latter.

but I don't know that I've ever seen a 50-year-old guy decked out in the full Richard Hell kit.

i see this in u.s.

in america i would rather hang out with hypothetical mod dude. in u.k, i'd probably go the other way.

it is funny how mod subculture never took off here. too much cowboy values, suspicion of all things fancy, european, i guess?

there was a lil scene in early 80s california, along with ppl into 2tone + uk ska.

yeah, i mean there were mod bands from cleveland during that period, but it never really took off in america. like, grand funk railroad never went through a mod phase.

I am tangentially acquainted with a bunch of aging mod types in Chicago. They seem to always have good w33d. Also pretty heavy anglophiles iirc.

midwest cognoscenti holler

old punk people always seem super cute to me, especially if they have spikes, backpatches, the whole nine. especially especially if they are pushing strollers and drinking coffee in the early morning. i always want to say "wow you are so perfect and cute" and take them home (in miniature form) and put them on a shelf so i can admire them periodically.

ugh i hate those people

where i live those ppl turn out to be foaming-at-the-mouth racists, without exception

oh

:(

i don't talk to them, so my admiration remains unmarred

so so many in portland

they probably are awesome. i'm just severely prejudiced

I think they shd let go.

Aging goths are the best. The people who made "Carpe Noctem" magazine lived in my hometown for a while...their kid was three or so years younger than me but we went to the same high school. He had dyed his hair purple and when people asked why he said, "Because my mom made me." And you got the feeling it was in some way partly true.

Aging seems to suit the goth aesthetic better, plus goths seem to naturally gravitate toward domestic bliss. It's a reasonably gender-mixed subculture.

The dudes I'm thinking of give off much more of a "last cowboy in town" vibe. Even tho there's fucking loads of them.

haha, noodle vague i admire your armchair anthropological spec

think you are "OTM"

Pro tip: 5 minute walks to the shops can provide useful material for ILX threads

nothing to do with you, but, i wake up sometimes at five am with "useful material for ilx threads" thank goodness i forget it all when morning light comes 'round

five minute walks to shops = me being too distracted looking at butts to be engaged in lofty ilx material

and i live near an art school so probably my leering is technically illegal or something

see this does all sound like classic thread material

at the very least epitomizes male ilxors' experience in any part of the world, i'm thinking

There was also a great lady in her 50s in my hometown who ran a headshop that also sold "goth accessories." Smoker's croak, still eyeliner doodles on her wrinkled face. She only liked two bands, though, Alice Cooper and Cradle of Filth. Half the stuff she sold was band merchandise, but only of those two bands, and then just drug stuff and Slave Labor Graphics comics and glitter. I think more stores should be run like this.

ha, wow. true lol

love that story/lady abbott (bt)

The first Saturday of every month she had a "dark convergence" of everyone having coffee at the truck stop.

i want to go to there

Aging seems to suit the goth aesthetic better, plus goths seem to naturally gravitate toward domestic bliss. It's a reasonably gender-mixed subculture.

but hey wait, i dunno about this. relative to west coast US, doesn't sync. cuz punks here is gender mixed and also domestically inclined, with the marrying and baby-making, etc. moreso than goths, who often seem to exist in semi-isolation, only ever seen out shopping with their moms, etc.

one time in college i was at this denny's and these dudes were sitting in a booth trying to write dark-themed speed metal lyrics

it was an eye-opener of sorts for twenty year-old me

what rhymes with "cadaver"? *grabs french fry*

palaver?

aging goths just look like barbara cartland

Filthy corpse
Rotting cadaver
Necrotic flesh
What a palaver

Living in the aging mod capital of the universe, I voting punx on this one.

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There's a 70-something year old guy who I sometimes see waiting at the bus stop who looks like he might have been an original 1960s mod. Although maybe I'm just assuming that on the basis of him wearing a matching waistcoat with his suit.

xp. pal of mine moved to manchester and a couple of years later got one of those haircuts. i asked him if it he asked especially or is this just something they do there when you ask for a short back and sides but he was a little cagey and opaque with his response

pretty sure it's some sort of barbers' conspiracy to perpetuate this whole culture, there's surely a place in every town that's got its black & white photos of steve mcqueen and its table full of shite men's magazines and some wizened old git behind the chair in his button-down shirt and his harrington just waiting to give you the best rick witter of yer life

there are a million of these places in brighton, but i think this is my local favourite:

https://s28.postimg.org/q0ig2e2fh/20151108_111934.jpg

it is just called 'hair' btw afaicmo

disliked the red white and blue decal ever since i first laid eyes on it (= making airfix planes as a nipper, long before i heard of the who) and still do

not sure why: tho it occurs to me my mild trypophobia can't help

(i also always disliked the union jack, colours and design, long before politics came into it)

https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/3372/33720982_sa.jpg;maxHeight=550;maxWidth=642

ha! A+ work there Soref. I heard Freeman talking about this project and was wondering about what kind of fucking numpt still self-identifies as a Mod whilst going into their late 40's.

Late 40s? Pretty young for a mod.

Some of the ageing Mod people I used to see at football matches often look even more tragic, but with added menace. Anyway another day of Modding about in a Fred Perry top.. hey! what do you mean scruffy balding twats can't be mods!

i should have called this thread "millions now living will never get their hair cut"

I wonder who would buy that record.

I thought that was Will Self for a minute

Sir Bradley Wiggins might buy that album, and then complain about the music not sounding like Weller.

(xps) Martin Freeman stars in the movie to launch the Jerry Anderson Cinematic Universe: 'Joe 90'...

In late 2010, Piller began to host a regular podcast called "The Modcast". This monthly podcast is co-hosted with Acid Jazz Records A&R man Dean Rudland, and features discussions about "all things Mod and beyond" including the influence of mod subculture on fashion, television and sport with guests such as musicians Steve Cradock, P.P. Arnold and Rhoda Dakar, the actor Martin Freeman and Olympic medal winning cyclist Sir Bradley Wiggins.

Sir Modley Wiggins.

Sir Cheatley Druggins morelike innit?

i don't mind so much when they're into the soulier more intersting end of the sound rather than dadrock but still could these Faces be any more Po?

I wouldn't doubt there might be some decent tunes on there. But I have much more respect for Bronies than these absurd fools.

I confess I do like mod clothes though!

I'm sure lots of good clothes could be deemed "Mod". But the whole po-faced package as presented here is bad!

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMozUI76zvk

Paul Weller’s Birthday.

The thing I admire about him most is how he keeps reinventing himself a bit like that there Madonna.#paulweller pic.twitter.com/RBlWvYgJ1m

— Keri Warbis (@KeriWarbis) May 25, 2019

I can't wait to see him wearing cones on his tits.

disliked the red white and blue decal ever since i first laid eyes on it (= making airfix planes as a nipper, long before i heard of the who) and still do

not sure why: tho it occurs to me my mild trypophobia can't help

(i also always disliked the union jack, colours and design, long before politics came into it)

― mark s, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:24 PM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

full disclosure on this ^^^preening and pious post: making airfix planes as a nipper i *did* rather like the iron cross so

http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343/Freightdog%20Decals/PGS72004.jpg

a timely revival as I'm going to see the Varukers on their 40th anniversary tour tonight

that bloke off the Legal & General ad is from a band called the Phobics (who I don't know) but has also been singing for the Snivelling Shits recently (who I do know)

rip giovanni dadomo

What about us dudes that are just plain old aging?

Bradley Wiggins’ “My Culture Fix” in The Times did not go well. pic.twitter.com/lokEXqsENy

— Neil Forsyth (@mrneilforsyth) May 25, 2019

I never quite nailed what i wanted on the initial blurb here, really it just needed to be a "subcultures preserved in aspic and why?" kinda title

finds television "quite vacuous" apart from First Dates, which sounds like some good middlebrow action for a leg-pumping fool on a push iron.

yes sorry NV i was being quote lazy appending that tweet here

No the Wiggins is closer to one of my initial impulses, it made me realise this was done better in the OG interior life of Nole Gallagher thread, of which that Wiggins piece is the vertiginous real life counterpart

I have a lot of love for many aging goths

People as individuals are always better than our straw figures of them but it's interesting how some people seem to want to externalize their affiliations more than others. And like 90 percent of threads this started off as self-psychoanalysis as much as anything.

Yeah I feel ya, I think I’m just sort of envious of people entrenched in subcultures like that*.. it sucks when a perfect vintage look is ruined by pulling outta cellphone.

*no doubt a romanticized vision of belonging... still love fashion and things

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02554/Alan-Johnson_2554079b.jpg

he recently said on the wireless it was his bestselling coming of age memoir that was his greatest legacy, he really underrates himself as a style icon though.

Still got his hair so it would be hilarious if he went for the Weller cut - but then he's an original mod and not a saddo Jam fan so unlikely.

70 yr old bloke with a Wellender is a pretty classy look, lol he's only 8 years older than Weller so should go for it.

Who is this person?

Also:

Aging Mick Jones Actually Lost In Supermarket

LONDON — Mick Jones, founding member and former guitarist/singer for the classic punk band the Clash, grew confused yesterday while shopping at a Tesco supermarket and could not decide if he should stick around or head for the exit, market security confirmed.

“I almost called for help — this old codger kept pacing, mumbling that he ‘came in here for the special offer.’ His cart was filled with coupons for tea, though, so I figured he knew what he was doing,” said Tesco produce and fish-and-chips specialist Jennifer Bronson. “I see a lot of geezers like him come in and wander the aisles aimlessly. Normally, it’s not a big deal — it gets them out of the house. But he was spooked by all the people coming up and taking pictures of him.”

former postman + home secretary and self styled ace-face, the most august Alan Johnson - he's basically a total dickhead.

(xp) Funnily enough, one of the few times, after I first moved to London, when I was excited to see a celebrity in the flesh was when I saw Mick Jones in an M&S Food shop and, I must admit, I did kinda follow him around for a few minutes.

When me and my girl were at the Velvet Underground gig, we were trying to get ice lollies out of the vending machines at the back of the hall. We succeeded, and turned back to watch the band, and right there was Mick Jones and some of his friends. Man, he was thin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQqG8em2Qss

There's a guy in his 40s who's regularly on my bus to and from work who convincingly wears the Ben Sherman shirt / jeans / work boots / parka combo. I think a lot of that is because he has a buzzcut rather than a Wellend or similar hairstyle. Although today he was wearing a Liam bucket hat, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that this was entirely for practically as it was very sunny and hot today. And I could hardly criticise his choice of headgear as I was wearing what my work colleagues refer to as a 'fishing hat' ie a repeatedly folded/crumpled up and sweated through khaki number from M&S.

practicality

aging goths >= aging punks > > > > > aging mods (throw them in the Thames)