"We're going to make our country safe again. We're going to rebuild our inner cities because our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before. Ever, ever, ever."
what a dickhead!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:06 (seven years ago) link
Trump perhaps?
― Bottlerockey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:08 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-african-americans-cities-228439
bingo. is it more or less racist than his son and his skittles, i wonder
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/trump-son-compares-syrian-refugees-skittles-160920133852094.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 11:32 (seven years ago) link
http://io9.gizmodo.com/disney-pulls-offensive-moana-costume-off-the-shelves-1786938696
― how's life, Thursday, 22 September 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pb9JUUi.png
trying to read up on opinions on this only brings up the EEOC complaint and right-wing OUTRAGE in reaction. is the flag synonymous with tea partiers and their more recent incarnations? is it a confederate flag cipher?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it is necessarily racist, it has origins in the american revolution, and has been appropriated by tea partiers in recent years but i don't think it has been wholly co-opted
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
it has origins in the american revolution
Possible challop: I don't know how true this is but I have heard theories that the American Revolution was at least partially spurred on by the British making moves towards abolishing slavery, so I'm not sure if this flag originating in the American Revolution makes it not racist.
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Facebook apparently has a particular way of translating "negro" from Spanish:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9tnngUcAAHh8Z.jpg
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
(to clarify, this is the status update of an African-American college friend of my wife's and the response from his Cuban wife; also I don't think I've laughed this hard in a while)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
omg
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
we just did some testing of the translation algorithm and apparently you can only get "negro" to translate as "nigga" if you are ending a question with it
let's ponder that for a moment (once you stop laughing)
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:32 (seven years ago) link
but does it taste like pumpkin?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
David S. Negroes?
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
this is horrifying and i can't stop giggling
― goole, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
A friend from Puerto Rico weighs in (I edited out a name and switched her incorrect reference to Google Translate to Facebook Translate):
The term "negro", as ______ was using it, is a term of endearment in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. We use "mi negro", "mi negra", "negrito", etc. So maybe Facebook translate might "know" that it is not supposed to translate it as "black", and it is translating it as something like "my nigga"? In any event, Bad Facebook Translate! Bad Facebook Translate!
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
"What Stones song did Dad like so much, was it
http://i.imgur.com/2WUEVeE.jpg?"
― pplains, Thursday, 24 November 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
well that's embarrassing, everyone knows the non-racist translation is "flex"
― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:22 (seven years ago) link
Richards describes the famous moment that the Rolling Stones first visited Chess: “We walked into Chess Studios and there’s this guy in black overalls painting the ceiling. And it’s Muddy Waters and he’s got whitewash streaming down his face and he’s on top of a ladder.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 November 2016 10:32 (seven years ago) link
can we let texas secede already, and make puerto rico the 50th state?
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/texas-adoption-agencies-could-soon-ban-gays-jews-muslims-n756201
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
That is 100% horseshit.
― her squamous hamhocks (DJP), Monday, 8 May 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
https://apnews.com/9af89fea48254378846a459c5d0f412d/Florida-city-to-rename-streets-honoring-Confederate-generals
What the fucking fuck is wrong in America is what I'd like to know...
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
Haven't you heard? The south refuses to understand its own history, largely because acknowledging how horrible it was (and is) would require them to let go of their false pride in The Lost Cause and their deep-seated sense of grievance over losing the civil war, and replace that with a powerful sense of shame. That, plus, there are still lots of unrepentant racists all over the place, not just the south.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
I originally misread that as the city trying to give confederate names to streets that don't currently have them which sadly seems totally plausible
― joygoat, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
http://reallifemag.com/what-was-the-nerd/
This article is really interesting.
I have had a working thesis for the past year-and-a-half that "all memes, not just overtly alt-right memes, feed into the proliferation of alt-right psychological thought patterns". That thought pattern, essentially, can be boiled down to this: “nobody will ever let go of the fantasy that they themselves are the most victimized"
Meme-sharing not only encourages ironic detachment, but in many cases, especially Dat Boi and Harambe, see usually-white usually-nerds accessorizing (and thus exerting authority over) edgy-but-not-quite-racist content.
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
In this same vein: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
lmao that most of the examples in that story are Megan McCain
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
yeah, I noticed that too
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
wait, i meant
http://78.media.tumblr.com/2c56806c0ea9a954cecce710e08c7b4d/tumblr_o0ew01TjYm1rlafseo1_400.gif
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
Thought about that Teen Vogue piece a lot since reading, as someone who has posted GIFs featuring a black person's reaction (but where potentially part of the problem is also that I don't actually know who they are tho they're always figures of admiration - if that makes sense? I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein) a handful of times. Dammit I really love Smart Guy though :(
― nashwan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
What's the ILX verdict on whether or not this gif is racist?
https://imgur.com/GDU2xh8
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
I can see compelling arguments both for and against
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
that's a poorly formed gif
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Ah, tone-deaf usage of AAVE gifs is the most easily identifiable "white gays are the worst" kind of racism
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
part of me would like to hear your argument for why it isn't racist but it's probably better if I don't chew directly through my cheek while suppressing rage
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
well, that answers my question!
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
Even more nuanced well-researched "well, AAVE and polare were borne out of the same cultural community so one can argue that the similarities between dragspeak and 'girl bye' belong equally to the black community and the gay white community" are still holey and reaching and dumb
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
I'm in no position to tell Meghan McCain how or what she can do obv but on behalf of some of my idiotic gay friends please let me apologize
wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)...
...than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
I feel like almost all black reaction GIFs I see are in that 'positive' vein
yeahhhh .... but .... idk, a lot of the time when I see them used by white people, I think of racially insensitive halloween costumes. It's dressing up as a person that has been historically (and is still) oppressed by your people. It makes me uncomfortable.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
blackface reaction gifs are so utterly ughhhh, especially when used by white folks. However, a group text I’m involved in frequently deployed drag performer reaction gifs, and that *also* bums me out, even though two of the members of the group text identify as trans and drag performers themselves. Sometimes they don’t bother me, though. On the occasions they DON’T bother me, it’s usually because source is a general pop-cultural reference -as opposed to, like, a meme or a particularly humiliating loop from Top Model
― rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
it's "positive" in the sense that white people perceive (or project) some quality in blackness that they want to momentarily have for themselves and then discard again. It's not directly mocking black people in a cruel way but it's still using them as a mask. I mean, this is kind of pervasive, so it's hard to disentangle what's "problematic" from what's not sometimes -- isn't a lot of white hip-hop fandom partly about projecting a fantasy onto black people/using black people to live out desires one doesn't otherwise want to express?
I mean I generally feel grossed out by those reaction gifs but I'm just trying to examine the deeper phenomenon they represent.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
fgti has been reaching some level of internet consciousness that is going to be increasingly out of sync with the binary thinking the internet encourages
― "the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
wrt Harambe memes and Dat Boi tho, and the article I posted, it's more about nerds-accessorizing-vaguely-racist-stuff (as a corollary to 'nerds' feeling themselves like an Oppressed People who edge into that sweet spot of racist-enough-to-be-edgy-but-not-racist-enough-to-be-racist content) (WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?)......than it is white-women-and-white-gays-posting-Rihanna-gifs-because-they-feel-like-accessorizing-black-culture-somehow-brings-them-closer-to-the-community-that-the-economic-model-they-profit-off-of-isn't-built-upon-anti-blackness
I think the article you posted has some very good analysis and insights mixed in with some glaring overreach and assumptions that muddy the argument. In particular, holding up Animal House as an ur-propaganda piece misses its genesis as the synthesis of the writers' experiences as frat members at Dartmouth/final club members at Harvard; due to the privilege circle in which they were operating, the archetypes at play when they put together the movie read very differently than when broadcast out into the wider culture and I think the interpretation of intent put forward by the piece is distorted as a result. (I wouldn't argue against the conclusion re: that movie's affect on the wider culture but it's also worth pointing out that the handling of race is about 500 times more sophisticated than the examples put forward in Sixteen Candles and Weird Science.)
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
I wouldn’t use either, but IME there’s a difference between posting a picture that silly fake fro The Rock wore in “Central Intelligence” and a reddit meme of, like, a grinning hobo with wheat stuck in hair.
― rb (soda), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
Ooh, the reaction gif thing has always bothered me. Solution: white ppl should be limited to Seinfeld reaction gifs only.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
*Seinfeld bass*
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
@ soda and man alive, I'll say it again: white gays (and white women) use those reaction gifs, as drag performers use the language, in order to accessorize black culture, as an attempt to bring these white people closer in proximity, culturally, to a community that they profit off of, economically.
My bff Prof. Muhly is always using "my hair is layed out like Jessye Norman" on his blog updates and it really doesn't work for me and I've told him so
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
@ DJP yeah, I was waiting for the article to leave the frame of John Hughes movies and get into 90s and 00s nerddom, but not today I guess
― fgti, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
WGW, this is for you, this is what you were talking about when you were asking if 'doge' was yellowface and it's not but the effect is the same, maybe?
oh man, that thread :/
it is totally derived from Engrish, but because it's a dog, and not a person it's abstracted a bit from basic "Supplies!" yellowface, and it's more palatable. Also, cute dog.
It's kinda like instead of "sassy black woman" reaction gif, someone posted this (sorry WGW)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/96/35/8a/96358a7ced999ede3d5e6998f7feb6ff--happy-birthday-mom-animal-kingdom.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
That might explain why it seemed like it was so prevalent among democratic party surrogates.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
and of course, there is this:
https://i.imgflip.com/e23l9.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link