Should Marijuana be legalised?

c'mon

legalised = taxed

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(xp) ^^^

I get the idea it'd be cheaper if it was legal, even with taxes.

It's just wishful thinking abt something I p sure I will never see in my lifetime anyway.

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker, as legalisation means taxation, which means close scrutiny by Customs & Excise, which probably would result in a) higher quality product, b) more consistent product, c) reduction in criminal involvement.

d) smoke weed everyday

Legalization would be ideal but getting the goddamn fed to recognize the medical benefits would be a huge step. Of course marijuana has nothing in the way of lobbyist compared to pharmaceutical companies that can get just about any ridiculous drug passed.

ILX System otm

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yaaaay

smoke a poll

the 1 no voter =

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/hell-noo.jpg

WTF wrong link. goddammit

now that the moment is ruined, the 1 "no" voter =

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/tiananmen-square-tank.jpg

Is that Jenna Maroney?

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker

I voted yes, despite not having been a weed smoker for many years, because people should be allowed to do what they want and take their own risks.

otm. I don't care if I want to drink three jugs of gasoline and chase it down with rubbing alcohol, it's my damn body

Can I come to your next gasoline party please San Te?

tbh I think this might be a one-time only deal, just have that sense....

Awes at the "wrong" pic

so gonna happen:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2013/04/pewmarijuana.jpg

Is this the next 'gay marriage' progressive galvanizer of opinion? The amount of money spent on the war on drugs generally and on cannibis specifically makes Iraq and Afghanistan look fiscally manageable and dammit if we don't already grow some killer weed.

oh man i am so excited

with 2/3rds of younger voters in favor of it? yes

xp

not to mention the huge burden relieved off our overtaxed gulag system for housing minority fathers

whoa

http://www.military.com/military-report/house-votes-to-let-va-doctors-recommend-marijuana.html?ESRC=mr0530.nl&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2016/09/chelsea-clinton-implies-marijuana-can-kill-you/

i need to look into getting medical w33d oil in nyc for my crohn's disease, it seems like a much more promising option than immunosuppressant injection therapies like Remicaid. I don't know where to start though. I have a feeling my gastroenterologist is not 'cool'.

ime it is a life-saver but not a complete replacement for immunosuppressants. are you on 77? i have a thread related to the topic there. short version tho even treating myself w/ mm for about a decade i never had as much symptom relief as i'm having on the humira. tho just the humira without the mm (as i found on a recent business trip where i couldn't score) also has problems + discomfort.

I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

Basically I have one disincentive to do the humera/remicaid etc thing which is that I had a splenectomy a couple decades ago, so my immune system is already compromised bc of that. Further suppressing it worries me.

i am looking into this for my chronic neck pain; doctor seems to think it should be pretty doable
wishing for the best for you ailments jon

Not a user myself and never have been, but I do follow developments in legalization, and as I pointed out on another pot thread we're at something of a metaphysical impasse. Marijuana will never be legalized recreationally if it is formally categorized as medical, yet it is likely never going to be categorized as medical for a confluence of reasons, not least because it's hard/impossible for the FDA to isolate and independently regulate all the various chemical components in it (apparently there are only two or so botanicals legally recognized as medicine, period). And yet we have all this grey area stuff going on, with states in essence legalizing marijuana as both recreational *and* medical, even though both categories remain technically illegal on a Federal level. It also introduces all sorts of weird stuff on the medical front, not least the notion of something being legalized as medicine on a state by state basis. Has this ever happened before? That something is recognized as a medicine in one state but not another?

Anyway, it scans to me that the push for marijuana to be licensed and regulated as medical is counter-production, on the legalization front, and that a better strategy would be to focus efforts on recreational legalization. (As some piece I read about this stuff pointed out, the FDA compromise would be akin to, say, vitamins, which can be marketed and sold with medical benefits but which feature an FDA disclosure. Top of my vitamin bottle lists possible health benefits, and at the bottom: "This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.") Because marijuana clearly has benefits (as does alcohol, coffee, etc.), they're just hard to isolate and verify scientifically enough to determine a consistent dose, strength, delivery mechanism and so on per the FDA/DEA policy.

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I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

never been invited either. i should probably stop posting here, now that i think of it

I still don't know what 77 is, and I've been posting here forever...

Request Access to 77 Borad

xp no bile intended or anything but you've got to have one of the lowest word-count-to-knowledge ratios of anyone here so it isn't exactly surprising. :D

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/in-sixth-grade-math/ratio-and-proportion/introduction-ratios/v/introduction-to-ratios-new-hd-version

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

never tabulated my word count to knowledge ratio, let alone estimated how low it is. guess that precludes 77 fellowship :(

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

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yeah sorry, i'm bad at math and got it backwards. i meant to say "one of the lowest knowledge-to-word-count ratios", meaning you are often very verbosely full of shit. but never change, it takes all kinds, etc.

i mean we're all dumb to an extend but it takes a special spirit to go on at length anyways.

I'll take it!

you're the best.

we should get high some time

i hope you guys have a good time

sorry, mr. map. never knew how word-county exclusive the love of everything is. be seeing you :(

you should join us

why "tax the shit out of it" though? I'm not a libertarian, but I don't really get what the argument is there

xp that isn't right, Josh afaict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedules_of_controlled_substances

xp Oh, I don't necessarily agree with the taxation, I'm just saying that's what's currently happening in California

And the heavy taxation is partially what's driving the illegal underground market

ah ok, got it

vice taxes aren't inherently progressive, which is an issue, but obviously the american way is to tell you that if you're not working hard enough to support your vices that's a you problem

Years ago I remember a heavy smoker telling me, "When something bothers me or makes me anxious when I'm high, to me that's a sign that that's something I need to deal with."

yeah that's why I always liked the scene in Curb where Larry gets too high and starts yelling at himself in the mirror, those sort of conversations happen all the time in my head when I'm too blasted

definitely agree it needs more research but also that it's clearly safer than alcohol and probably tobacco too. it's never felt poisonous to me the way liquor does.

Hmm, I'm trying to remember what I was thinking of, then, re: why it remains schedule one. I know there was some sort of catch-22 at work regarding its medical value or quasi-medical status. Maybe that its complex biology makes it hard to isolate and precisely dose its compounds? But that because it *is* currently schedule one, there is very limited research allowed that might make it easier to do the aforementioned, something like that? Also, I want to say something can't be formally designated as medical and recreational at the same time, so maybe that's an added complication. Anyway, clearly right now it is all a patchwork legal mess.

racism and history iirc

doesn’t mix well with capitalist death drive

haha otmfm

though i've met stoners for whom it clearly does not complicate their relationship to capitalism in any way and seems to enable them to glom on to being an "entrepreneur" even more than they otherwise would.

Tons of libertarian free-market stoners out there. One of the most obnoxious things about weed culture really.

at one point I thought it'd be nice that standardizing consumption would take us away from all the dorky hippie tie-dye and posters and goofy stuff but now I've strongly reconsidered this

it's schedule one because hippies

nah, it's schedule one because of jazz musicians.

meaning, racism.

But I think the way it connects to legalization is that having friendly legal stores with good salespeople could help guide people a little -- in the same way a good wine store can help you find something to your taste.

yeah this is pretty important when it comes to edibles, my first experience was very intense and unpleasant (until 3 hours later, when it was a lot of fun), so I kinda shudder when people are buying them for the first time and not knowing the dosage but thinking "well, I've smoked a bit, I can handle it"....nah, you can have a really bad experience, which sucks because edibles in the proper dosage are amazing

At least in MA and NJ, they've capped individual edibles at 10mg, which means a daily smoker like me had to scarf down more than a handful at the 100 gecs show I went to last week.

This is in stark contrast to grey market LA where 50-100mg doses were common in the early 2010s.

yeah that's crazy, I feel like I'm a pretty frequent user (though usually not more than 1x/day) and the 10s can get me really stoned sometimes. I'm not sure why but sometimes they just kick in really hard and sometimes they don't. I think it's just different for everyone, for example I know one person who just can't get high at all from edibles (but can by smoking). seems like something the people at the store should be aware of, cuz yeah I know a number of people who had one bad experience with them and wouldn't touch them again.

there's also a thing where people who haven't really smoked anything before look at edibles as an easier way in, which is probably backwards

Current edibles remind me of the old issue with brownies/cookies... they don't necessarily kick in right away, so you question their strength and maybe take a few more nibbles... then in three hours you're sunk into the sofa just wishing you could go back in time

When did it become a thing for all sorts of medicinal stuff - vitamins, pot, melatonin, whatever - to be mixed into gummies? It just seems to be asking for trouble in a world where Tide pods have child safety lids on them.

i buy my girlfriend microdose 1mg gummies which i think are a pretty solid way in in the absence of smoking/vaping, neither of which appeal to her. i have to eat about eight of them to feel anything which tracks

to be mixed into gummies

A buddy just game me a bottle of "Uncle Arnie's Apple Juice" with 100 mg THC per bottle (8.5 oz bottle)... there are warnings: "If this is your first time consuming, consider trying a half dose" etc.
Talk about starting them off young!

when i was vaping much more frequently i developed an iron stomach for edibles and nothing had an effect on me. now that i’ve cut back, i have these 10mg gummies i just bought and they creep on me but the effect is palpable. they are also very good at getting me to sleep through the night (vaping bud, for most including me, has the extreme opposite effect) (does weed make you sleepy or amped? the answer to this and most weed questions is: yes)

the only time that edibles feel like the right fit for me is before a long airplane flight

xp yeah if I smoke bud before bed I lay there half the night worrying I have a really ugly laugh

the only time that edibles feel like the right fit for me is before a long airplane flight

Yeah I did that once and it was not fun at all. I remember the pretzels feeling like I was eating a handful of sand.

an edible before a run (with headphones natch) is glorious ime

I think on a plane it just lets me tune out everything and zone out, it actually moves faster for me.

My Really Bad Edible Experience was at a Ween show. A friend gave me a cookie while we were in line to get in and said “eat half now, save the rest for later.” I got paranoid that security would take it (I was probably already stoned) and ate the entire thing. It was hell. I threw up twice and wanted to leave but driving was out of the question and I lost track of my buddy. The show was in Santa Cruz, in a place that looked like it had sporty things so there were these bleacher type seats in the back. I sat there alone with my head in my hands, dimly aware that Ween was playing a killer setlist and I wanted it to stop. A security guard came and hassled me: “Hey buddy, you okay? Been dancing too much? Too much to drink? Too many drugs? Hey buddy!”. It fucking sucked.

In hindsight, it was a horrible idea to drive my friend and I back to San Jose over the Santa Cruz mountains, but we made it.

nah, it's schedule one because of jazz musicians.

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meaning, racism.

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since the "schedules" are iirc a nixon joint i was thinking of the erlichman classic where he says "we could associate the hippies with marijuana and the blacks with heroin"-- but whynotboth.gif and wrt to weed's prior illegality of course yr right.

yeah, I wasn’t intending to be argumentative, just thinking back to all the jazz era fears about marijauna

A buddy just game me a bottle of "Uncle Arnie's Apple Juice" with 100 mg THC per bottle (8.5 oz bottle)... there are warnings: "If this is your first time consuming, consider trying a half dose" etc.

that's insane, for a first timer I'd do 5, maybe 10 if they were an experienced smoker

My worst edible experience involved apple cider. We were in our early days of making infused coconut oil in a Magic Butter machine. After emptying the contents into jars to be stored for later, my wife decided to clean out the remaining drips and drops by swirling apple cider around in it to drink. She said that she had done this previously and just enjoyed a glass of apple cider that got her high. She handed me a glass of it to drink and set hers to the side to drink after she finished cleaning up. I drank mine down and within two minutes, I could tell I was coming up very rapidly and intensely. In more usual circumstances, it would usually take me between 45 minutes to 2.5 hours to come up. I made a bee-line for the kitchen where I pointed at her cup. "Be careful with that - it's SATAN." She drank some of hers anyway - not as much as mine, but it still ended up being more than she could handle. Long story short, it was a rough 18 hours or so. Nearly completely unable to communicate. Intense paranoia and anxiety. A feeling that the world was swirling around me. Cottonmouth so bad that I had to keep drinking water, which eventually led to me needing to pee every 10 minutes or so throughout the night.

Clearly you have a very low tolerance for apples.

I got paranoid that security would take it (I was probably already stoned) and ate the entire thing.

My dad famously did this while he was with some friends in college, I grew up with it as a cautionary tale. There were a group of them in a car going to a movie and my dad had a little hash that they were all going to smoke in the parking lot before going in. But they got pulled over on the way for something or other and my dad freaked out as the cop was approaching the car and ate the whole stash. With the result that he was practically catatonic through the movie while his friends were sadly sober.

doesn't it have to be decarbed first? this exact scenario happened in the beginning of Super Troopers and it always bugged me because I always thought just eating weed straight up wouldn't actually do anything. much less kick in 30 seconds later as it does in the movie. wonder if IMDB lists that under "goofs"

as a general rule I just don't eat anything homemade anymore unless I either make it myself or know the people who did have a low tolerance. my first edible experience involved a brownie which a frequent stoner friend of mine said knocked him on his ass...I figured I'd just eat a quarter. but when packing it up for the freezer a little corner fell out so I figured what the hell, eat it and see what happens. 30 minutes later I was pacing back and forth in the basement and Googling shit like "how long brohwnie last mijreaijana"

I drank mine down and within two minutes, I could tell I was coming up very rapidly and intensely.

lol yeah that sounds bad, I've never had it happen that fast but all the times I've gotten way way too high off an edible I've felt it coming on a lot quicker than I expected. when you start feeling high within 10 minutes it's a sign you're gonna have a bad time

that's insane, for a first timer I'd do 5, maybe 10 if they were an experienced smoker

Ha, no - the entire 8.5 oz bottle contained 100mg total, not per dose

so what's a dose then? one ounce?

ironically all the dispensaries I've been to in legal states you can't get edibles stronger than 10mg, whereas here in Wisconsin you can get 250mg bars of "legal D9" which may not actually be that strong but actually might be kind of close, you can really fuck yourself up

doesn't it have to be decarbed first?

Is that true for hash too? Probably I guess. Could be elaborated family lore. My takeaway from the story was not to lose the stash.

Do any of these THC derivatives/alternatives manage to do away with cottonmouth?

I once had to eat a j that a friend had pre-rolled for me. I know he added some additional ingredients to the flower. Definitely kief. Possibly hash as well? Anyway, two hours later I was deeply, deeply stoned.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states. I have overheard the conversation of Illinois (which is taxed out the wazoo) vs. Michigan (which is further away but dirt cheap) so many times. and the convo always turns to "man just think of how much we're losing in tax dollars from this". it's so idiotic. to make it even more ridiculous we have farm bill weed which is essentially hemp with some sort of THC spray (or HHC, or Delta 8, or THCo, or whatever the fuck they're doing now), the stuff works but you don't wanna bother with it if you can get the real thing.

however I do think the edibles are legit, the only law is they have to be less than 0.3% THC. but I think most edibles you get in legal states are probably even lower than 0.3% so all it does is make edibles legal but unregulated. now this is a problem because I think a lot of these places fudge the actual amount of THC you get. something that's listed as 15mg is probably more like 7mg, which to me is a good dose. unfortunately once you find something you like it gets pulled and replaced and you have to figure out the dosage again. which is surprisingly difficult!! anyway fun adventures in legal weed the other day when I found one product I liked was available at some liquor store, but when I opened it up the gummies looked to be about 50% bigger, which I assume meant they tinkered with the formula. but no - I think what happened is "15mg" actually means "15mg", and so I was so fuckin zooted. twas a good time (eventually) but yeah I don't know why we can't just get the real thing!

The German cannabis law passed the Bundesrat today. It‘s legal to smoke pot in Germany starting April 1st… no, seriously.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states
I assure you, you are not

Man, yeah, the price difference between buying in Illinois versus Michigan is absolutely nuts. I was shocked the last time we were in Michigan and walked out with probably 5x what we'd get in Illinois for the same cost.