indefensible: john gruber

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The e-mail client will be called Letters, and project contributors voted Daring Fireball's John Gruber as the man to be responsible for getting version 1.0 out the door.

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

that stuff about him being the director

caek, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man

caek, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

The whole $500 thing is kind of funny in view of the Mac App Store, too. What would that be today -- a $80 app like Aperture?

Meanwhile, Sparrow for iPhone launched and the reviews included "TOO COSTLY FOR A PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T HAVE PUSH" and it's friggin $3

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sparrow would be great but no push is deal breaker. And sorry, working with Boxcar just isn't the same. Urban Airship would be a better integration.

Gruber has a lot of good posts, but he gets prickly very easily.

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that wasn't the real issue there... people weren't saying "oh, I need this one feature, I will avoid it due to that"

It was "NOT WORTH $3" when it has a shitload of features!

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think what people are saying is that that $3 for an app that is missing an essential feature is too costly.

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

And FWIW, if Sparrow was made by Google for Android, Gruber would be shelling that corpse with glee for not having push.

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

(I'm too lazy to go find his post on the release of the standalone Gmail app)

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

(whose push feature was fooked)

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh, fair enough.

The entertaining bit is that if you set up a gmail account on an iPhone, it doesn't use gmail's exchange/push server by default so the app currently works with gmail the same way Apple's mail client does, by default. /Gruber

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I always wonder if that is Apple's middle finger at Google somehow.

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh, I think it's more the fact that Google still doesn't show it in their setup directions that clearly! You only get the directions on the mobile site, and there under "Google Sync," not under email setup. I think it's officially supported and non-beta, but maybe that's not what they tell Apple?

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Imagine how frustrating this situation must be for monologists who do value the truth, who are performing true journalism.

err is journalism + stage performance a thing?

grimes - (the elder scrolls iv:) oblivion (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

fox news, only they're about as truthy as mike daisey

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

imagine how frustrating it must be for fox news

grimes - (the elder scrolls iv:) oblivion (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

right, it's frustrating for fox news like it is mike daisy.

Same package of entertainment.

dandydonweiner, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

*points to twitter*

markers, Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

SUNDAY CRAZINESS

markers, Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

diamonddave85, Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

cf. this link to an article about human beings being abused

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/29/fla-foxconn

vs. this lengthy article about journalism

http://daringfireball.net/2012/03/baby_from_the_bath_water

i guess it's to be expected from a guy with a colophon and a house style, and maybe he honestly doesn't have much to add, but the dude is sleeping on the major apple story of a generations. i mean this post has more commentary than his post about the abc story:

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/29/bezos

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw I only use Readability when a page is so choked with ads and carousels and other dumb shit that it's actually impossible to read

TURPS-DEFCON1.jpg (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i use readability a lot when a page is laid out in such a way that its hard to read, p sweet setup, dont use the whole read later aspect tho, i just keep a lot of tabs open

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw i will now admit that i find it kinda entertaining how gruber gets legitimately outraged and calls people names

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh and in Reeder when the source refuses to provide the full article via rss xxp

TURPS-DEFCON1.jpg (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw gruber must acknowledge that when apple built readability support into safari they became scumbags by extension

TURPS-DEFCON1.jpg (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Readability is awesome and has almost supplanted my use of Instapaper. The linking thing, eh, probably a misstep. The whole "they are taking money given in publishers' names" is completely bullshit afaik because they take money, and offer publishers the opportunity to have some of that money, but they don't say "this money is definitely going to the publishers."

Lots of self-righteous anger going on, imo.

mh, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

how do u ppl use readability?

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

On longer-form articles I run across either while browsing twitter or just the web or ilx or whatever I'll add them to Readability, then sit at home after work and read the articles while I'm eating lunch or having a beer after work on my iPhone or iPad.

mh, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

i push the back quote button and it magically reformats a website

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

all you posters sleeping on my post about the major "indefensible: john gruber" story of a generations

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it was a good post

lag∞n, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Badass."

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Filed for future claim chowder."

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Agreed."

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Hilarious."

caek, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

caek, did you read the transcript of the interview with the FLA president linked from the ABC news article? It kind of twists the light the report is read in, for me, in that he paints the factory in an average-to-positive light for China and there are a number of issues with worker perception where management hasn't communicated either the right regulatory materials or detailed the safety mechanisms already in place.

I think Gruber's dropping it because he's a lazy ass and doesn't really want to contrast how factories operate in multiple countries. Most people don't, but as a beacon he's kind of dropping the ball, sure.

mh, Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

and here I thought that dude looked like a mid-80s stereotype of a "professional" in his picture, it turns out he thinks he's in Ferris Bueller

mh, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is with these people and describing themselves as 'raconteurs'?:

diamonddave85, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you took the bio lines and the twitter descriptions of these dudes you're going to find a lot of interesting words like that

to my shame I think I have a social network profile somewhere that probably still says "flâneur." urgh

mh, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

u can tell by his bio line what a great storyteller he is

lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The Yankees have numerous rivals. The Red Sox (division). The Mets (cross-town). The Dodgers (11 World Series matchups). But these Yankees — this particular squad — have a bigger rival. Father Time.

Father Time??? r u srs

Time’s effects, even against Rivera — the most graceful and elegant ballplayer I’ve ever seen, the closest thing in sports to an ageless wonder — are ignominious. The Yankees often win, but in the end, time always wins — the one opponent against which even the Yankees will forever be underdogs. To struggle against time is to struggle against the inevitable. We all know you can’t beat time, but the joy of these aging Yankees is that sometimes you can get lucky and race ahead of it for a while. But now this.

What the fuck, what is the point of this, why not just post that insipid poem about the One Great Scorer

raw feel vegan (silby), Friday, 4 May 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

~time always wins ~ thinks abt it

lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Boom, done.

diamonddave85, Friday, 4 May 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

"terrific"

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/15/joe-smith-paper-towel

caek, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

lmao after seeing that i was going to start a thread about TED talks that treat you like a fucking child

diamonddave85, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

see also: How To Tie Your Shoes

diamonddave85, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink


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