Just saw the latest news w.r.t. death toll and figured it's time for a separate thread.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 23 July 2011 07:34 (twelve years ago) link
So in total we're talking about at least 91 people killed, so far linked to only one perpetrator (Anders Behring Breivik (32)) who's posted as a nationalist and anti-multiculturalist online.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 23 July 2011 07:40 (twelve years ago) link
links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/23/norway-attack-utoya-shooting-oslo
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/07/2011722222451150369.html
― polyphonic, Saturday, 23 July 2011 07:49 (twelve years ago) link
In 2009 29 people were killed in Norway, in 2010 31 people, and now, in ONE day at least 87 are murdered. #Utøya #Osloexpl
― prolego, Saturday, 23 July 2011 08:11 (twelve years ago) link
BBC regularly updating here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 23 July 2011 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
so terrible. those figures re: total deaths in the country in an entire year vs total deaths caused yesterday really bring home how much of a blow it is.
i can't get over how terrifying it must have been for the kids on that tiny island...if people were trying to swim to safety rather than hiding, he must have been going on a deliberate rampage. i presume he was only overpowered once help managed to get to the island?
the sun covering itself with glory with its front page today, which ignores every fact that had emerged quite early on yesterday in favour of just blaming THOSE MUSLIMS http://twitpic.com/5u6n2l
― lex pretend, Saturday, 23 July 2011 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
Ugh. I know, I should know better, but getting revolted at CNN's "it's terrorism! Wikileaks said they were unprepared!"
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 23 July 2011 08:22 (twelve years ago) link
Heard a survivor telling R4 this morning how a lot of the kids lay down and played dead but the gunman walked around methodically shooting anyone on the ground in the head to make sure. Other reports that help was delayed because he'd booby-trapped the island with bombs. Hideous.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Saturday, 23 July 2011 08:28 (twelve years ago) link
Last night it was 20 deaths, waking up and it is 84 at least. This is sickening.
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:11 (twelve years ago) link
Saying it is "Norway's 9/11" is an insult to victims of 9/11 and this attack. Sick of the childishness here.
― YO MAMA. (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
news coverage insensitivity number 8436269204738392742 from the sun with the camping offer on the front page ALONG with the fucking stupid 9/11 line
― owenf, Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:45 (twelve years ago) link
+ dudes web postings were full of anti-Muslim sentiment
― zappi, Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:50 (twelve years ago) link
Being that all political violence is terrorism, this is also terrorism.
It was natural to think in the direction of Al Qaida because the entire thing in Oslo seemed so big and so well-planned. Once he entered Utøya, I was in doubt though. It just didn't seem natural for Al Qaida or other Muslim terrorists to attack a political youth camp, particularly not for an organization which is against Norway's participation in Libya and Afghanistan, which has far from supported the Mohammaed caricatures and which is in favour of boycotting Israel.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
Btw. ideologically, it seems this guy is more closely related to extreme American Christian fundamentalist right wingers than to nazis.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:59 (twelve years ago) link
Video of the rescue operation
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/utoya/bombeangrep/innenriks/17424074/
be warned, it's pretty graphic and horrible.
― owenf, Saturday, 23 July 2011 10:19 (twelve years ago) link
that link was from the guardian page which is updating pretty regularly
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/23/norway-attacks-live-coverage?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
― owenf, Saturday, 23 July 2011 10:21 (twelve years ago) link
You can read some of his thoughts here, should you wish to:
http://dougsaunders.net/2011/07/political-thinking-anders-behring-breivik/
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Saturday, 23 July 2011 10:21 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for that link ShariVari. He seems well-spoken, friendly, conservative, Protestant, politically involved. Right wing but not in a nutcase sense in his writing. But his last comment there is from October 2010. A lot can change in a few months, I gather...
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 23 July 2011 10:36 (twelve years ago) link
Right wing but not in a nutcase sense in his writing.
Really? You must have just skimmed.
For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ. They are all supporters of hate-ideologies.
What comes across is how similar his posts are to those of any old fuckwit posting in the Telegraph or Guardian comments; they make an effort to appear reasonable but a little prodding reveals the real sentiment driving the obsessive, repetitive posting.
― gyac, Saturday, 23 July 2011 11:21 (twelve years ago) link
I admit, I skimmed. I was more looking at his style of writing perhaps, which wasn't as ranting as I expected. But that is as You say the "to appear reasonable" schtick here.
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 23 July 2011 11:31 (twelve years ago) link
rumours of at least another shooter surfacing again
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 23 July 2011 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
the bbc interviewer just asked a survivor from utoya 'was there panic among the young people there?'
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 23 July 2011 12:31 (twelve years ago) link
Foreign Minister cautioning against making assumptions based on attacks in other countries. Perhaps The Sun should take the hint - though did it actually go out to the newsstands with that cover? It was circulating yesterday evening, so surely there was time for them to change it?
― emil.y, Saturday, 23 July 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5966417535_6a8a3814ee.jpg
Only slightly changed. Main headline the same.
― One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
so this guy is in custody? they took him alive?
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, police have been talking to him all night.
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
This has left me kind of numb, it's so horrific, when I went to bed last night they were saying 10 dead on the island, when I wake up it's 84, and supposedly it could rise a lot higher. I'm speechless...
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
The post from Geir is so right, and he would know better than any of us, that the political nature of the target should have alerted people to the possibility that this was not an Al-Qaeda/Jihadist operation, instead we had hours and hours of "terrorism experts" on rolling news telling us that's exactly what it was.
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
ya newsnight was still going on about libya etc at 11pm last night
i p much never watch tv news and whenever i make an exception for an event such as this, it only serves to remind me of its inadequacy - the time lag, the spacefilling banality, the forced emotions
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
Rolling news is at its worst here, it's just filling time to excuse the gawping. The bbc's 'end of innocence?' piece was up by the time I heard the news and is entirely irrelevant afaict; when I got up this morning they were questioning the emergency service response as if: (i) they knew what it was; (ii) a great big bomb hadn't gone off immediately beforehand; and (iii) that's what went wrong here.
― Ismael Klata, Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
the bbc is so embarrassing for this stuff, the hosts are so painfully awkward when talking to "real people" (a phrase used casually in bbc meetings, all the time) that they act like someone is daubing them with shit throughout.
that plus the anchor this morning describing the suspect as being "of a right wing orientation"
what like...militantly straight??
― LocalGarda, Saturday, 23 July 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
I have a certain amount of sympathy for anyone tasked with processing, live on air, the fact that a man had just murdered eighty children because he didn't like their political beliefs, to be honest. The rolling news was handled terribly but, as has been suggested, i think it's more a structural issue with the format than the fault of any particular reporters. Apart from Kay Burley.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
i just find the way they speak to people v odd and detached
― LocalGarda, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
It's not reporting for facts in an odd sense, more ambient reporting, reporting the shock/grief and confusion. Was odded out by one of the first interviews I heard on Radio 5 last night, with....the ex-footballer Jan Åge Fjørtoft.
― One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
It is still being described as our 911 here. Of course it is different in that this is not a Muslim extremist, but maybe it will also teach the world outside Norway (like it has taught some - slightly, but just slightly, more moderate - right wingers in this country) that Islamic extremists are not the only ones capable of doing such horrible acts?
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
You guys are funny. So worried about the reputations of terrorists.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
right wing Christian fundie / Islamist fundie, what's the difference, ultimately?
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
If this had been an Islamist fundamentalist the backlash against the Muslim community would be outrageous. I doubt this will cause any movements to kick Christians out of Europe.
― 能 homo (s. morris), Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah kinda shows what fucking morons these guys are when their "statements" just involve mass murder, regardless of their views. xpost
― LocalGarda, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
Fuck 'em all. I'd shit on Allah, G-d, Yahweh, Jah, and zombie Jeebus if they existed.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link
*removes bookmark*
― One Big Craigo, Full Of Bad Boingos (Craigo Boingo), Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
urgh i only just looked at the news. i only heard about the bomb yesterday :(
― t|p|p (tpp), Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/07/23/nyt/index.html
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
basically, Geir is right: this guy is a terrorist.
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
oh man that washington post thing that greenwald links to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/norway-bombing/2011/03/29/gIQAB4D3TI_blog.html
This is a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists.
― buzza, Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
ugh
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah there's a lot of outrage going on about that & about how she's merrily posting away again without in some way saying "ok, I had that one wrong." Michelle Malkin's doing the same thing she always does after attributing something to Muslims that turns out to be something else: "looks like this wasn't RADICAL ISLAMISTS, but I won't let that stop me from covering the real threat posed by RADICAL ISLAM"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
Another brilliant post by Rich Perry's foreign policy adviser.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
*gets sober, empties bank account, wages war against jihadists*
― buzza, Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
If it turns out that the suspect in custody is a non-Muslim with no connections to jihadist groups, it would be unreasonable to focus the investigation on Muslims and Islamic terror groups.
Thanks for clearing that up, Corner guy.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Saturday, 23 July 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
Re: Norwegians sing...
That the whole world is against him plays to his narcisism, better to not show him any attention.
― nickn, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
think its more for the norwegian people than it is for him
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
But he's aware of it, surely.
― nickn, Friday, 27 April 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link
who cares what he thinks
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
don't throw me in the padded briar patch
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 08:30 (eleven years ago) link
It's painted in a very utopian light but not everyone here are happy about all the various public responses towards Breivik. Some people like to pretend we're much different from others, but the overly nationalistic celebration of our nation and our flag is present here as it was in other countries after terrorist attacks: Otherwise sympathetic demonstrations like that sing-a-long moment or rose marches always include, to me, slightly tiresome "this kind of response shows off how great Norway is, responding to hatred with love" statements or variations on "this is the Norwegian spirit!". Just focus on the respect for each other, why do we need to wrap it up in a Norwegian cross? I think some people lap up praise from foreign media, and nationalism feels even less rational to flaunt in the aftermath of this particular terrorist attack than many others.
― abcfsk, Friday, 27 April 2012 09:14 (eleven years ago) link
totally recognise that :(
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 27 April 2012 09:34 (eleven years ago) link
not really directly analogous but cf a lot of the "clean-up" response post-riots in the UK, and the "keep calm and carry on!" rhetoric that accompanied it
that thing of nice middle-class (liberal) society wanting to put total distance between them and the nasty man, as though breivik/the rioters/[insert menace to quotidian society here] was a monstrous aberration rather than an extreme, macabre manifestation of sentiments that are more widespread than most care to admit
― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 27 April 2012 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
ehhhhhhhhhhhh
that thing of nice middle-class (liberal) society wanting to put total distance between them and the nasty man...is healthy & should be encouraged
it's like...yeah...I guess Norway could don sackcloth & ashes and say THE MONSTER IS US in a public square but collectively saying "no, this guy sucks" is I think a lot healthier. people play out their identifications; a collective response is "really, this guy is more an expression of who we are than we care to admit" might be intellectually satisfying but is not, I think, constructive. That view might be better suited to history. In the present moment, what you say you believe & how you act on that is more important than The Sum Total Of The Big Picture
imo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
a collective response is of "really, this guy is more an expression of who we are than we care to admit"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 April 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
― abcfsk, Friday, April 27, 2012 10:14 AM (4 hours ago)
this is right
surely hes going to be in his cell, between refreshing the wikipedia table of most prolific spree-killers, caclking at all the l4m0rz who are unwittingly chanting crypto-marxist hippy drivel as an ineffectual riposte to his murders
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
have we ever done a serious conversation on patriotism/nationalism/jingoism?
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
one would imagine so?
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
ya it's the rolling us elections thread i thought?
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
no it's the one that starts oi mates and ends with ilxor chums
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
tend to agree with aero (i think) about the media/cultural studies exam answer steez of 'this guy is us'. I think that focusing on the fact that this guy held certain views shared, to a greater or lesser extent, by others in society as a whole is missing the point- he's the one that felt that his views justified an irl fantasia shootfest, and as such he's in a very exclusive member's club that sure, emerged from the same society as the rest of us but can't seriously be held up as a mirror for it.
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
media/cultural studies exam answer steez
was going to use almost the exact same diss
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
The fact that everyone has terrible thoughts does not automatically mean everyone does terrible things, nor that everyone's terrible thoughts are equivalent to everyone's terrible actions.
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
ah, people take solace in shared culture, signs and symbols, "we is us" identifications of collective solidarity. there's nothing intrinsically wrong with this kid of thing, and sneering at it seems tiresome and juvenile.
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/w7qu2.jpg
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
is that person about to catch on fire?
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-sets-himself-on-fire-outside-833899
cant find any more info
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
the fuck
― goole, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
People are weird.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
what a shitshow
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
that monk is frowning down from nirvana like, uh no dude sorry
― goole, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
i think you mean from rage against the machine
― max, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
the video is just so strange
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Police say the man is a Norwegian citizen in his forties with no link to the trial. They believe he acted alone. His injuries are serious, but not life threatening.
A local solicitor said she was contacted by the man just before he set fire to himself.
He smelt of paraffin and wanted to hand in some of his papers relating to the social services and unemployment.
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
oh, max
― goole, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
sick burn, max
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
nakhchivan on fire
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link
ah sorry that was no match for your joke
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
"How can I get down to Sidcup in these shoes?"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
However, in 1999 at the age of 20, Breivik, suddenly underwent an operation to make his nose look "more Aryan".
But this detail did not surprise his group of friends, who merely teased their friend, who was also known for using powdered make-up, for his vanity.
Breivik, who has claimed to be on a "crusade" against multiculturalism and a pending "Muslim invasion" of Norway and Europe, has meanwhile insisted that his nose was broken when he was attacked by a Pakistani, but none of the friends he claims were there at the time say they recall the event.
According to the witness who is a fireman, Breivik was "a bit special" at this time, with very personal clothing choices, including wearing sunglasses when he went out to bars at night.
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
So he could, so he could, keep track of visions in his mind.
― Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
Sane. Obviously... not that I'm an expert, but come on
― Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Friday, 24 August 2012 10:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23327165
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
So Breivik secures a place at university. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/anders-breivik-university-oslo
He did so on merit? I can't imagine his ramblings of racist lunacy were up to much.
― mmmm, Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link
it's a symbolic gesture. the poli sci department will be in contact with the prison staff, and he'll be given access to study materials and tests, after which he earns 30 credits and no degree. the key point here is that norwegian prisons are only allowed to limit the right of free movement, and other than that life in the prison complexes has to be as similar to the outside world as possible.
i thought the bump was going to be the "breivik's party part of new government" story they've been trotting out recently in foreign papers, which is ridiculous.
― et rottent land hvor nisser bor (chilli), Thursday, 12 September 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
If there's anything this guy needs education on, it's politics
― Ma mère est habile Mais ma bile est amère (Michael White), Thursday, 12 September 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
i don't really see any purpose of this guy continuing to exist, but, you know, democracy and civilization etc.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 September 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link
Well, if he killed himself, noone would be sad. But I don't think he is worth turning norwegian society into killers as well.
― Frederik B, Friday, 13 September 2013 11:52 (ten years ago) link
i know that--my gut reaction is different than my considered reaction.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 September 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/swedish_artist_jonas_dahlberg_to_design_july_22_memorial_sites_in_norway/
This is great!
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
So Breivik secures a place at university. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/anders-breivik-university-osloHe did so on merit? I can't imagine his ramblings of racist lunacy were up to much.― mmmm, Thursday, September 12, 2013
― mmmm, Thursday, September 12, 2013
just noticed this. the university's entitled to do what it likes, and honoring its rules has some (nominal, in this case) value, but its justification is nonsense.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
Nasty feeling this dude is going to be out of jail and leading Norway's biggest opposition party in about a decade and a half.
― Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
The headland memorial concept is beautiful and very fitting, I think.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link
very moving even in the design mockups. i'm curious about the engineering of it.
― goole, Thursday, 6 March 2014 01:44 (ten years ago) link
PFO, that is never going to happen. His role in the Progress Party (which is in the current coalition government now, btw) is severely exaggerated in non-Norwegian media. So is the extent to which that party's positions on immigration (which are nevertheless quite unattractive) overlaps with his.
― Mule, Thursday, 6 March 2014 10:48 (ten years ago) link