this is not one of the worst irish teams/squads ever, but even if it were we`ve still not seen anything like the best from the players trap can be bothered to run his stubbornly limited and inflexible rule over from his dvd selection
this attitude of "he got us here" sickens my hole. the attitude of "we`ve only got shit players" sickens my hole. hid arrogance, his contempt for irish football and his sheer retirement gig `couldnt give a fuck for ye` response to very valid criticism sicken my hole.
he`s doing huge damage to irish international football
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
xp this is exactly the tem that qualified. any cunt can get draws in qualification by refusng to play football. come the contest proper you best have a bit more about you.
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
it's all pointless
― Number None, Friday, 15 June 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
i`d rather my pointlessness try to play football, using footballers
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
I agree with you, to an extent. Whatever preparation he's done has been dire. My point was that they're far less vigorous and fit even within the confines of trap's tactics.
It is a terrible pool of players though.
And I do think you have to credit trap with something for qualifying.
Would love to see what Harry would do with Ireland.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 06:14 (eleven years ago) link
Repeated "sicken my hole"s - are you sure that wasn't the Euro 2012 cuisine btw?
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
Trap barely deserves credit for qualifying. He took one point from six against the only decent team in the group. Had they been drawn against anyone else in the play-off, they would have struggled. They were thoroughly outplayed for large stretches against Armenia and Estonia - it was pretty clear that they couldn't take the same attitude (and starting line-up) into matches against Croatia and Spain and not expect to get a hiding.
I think Keane was harsh on the players, none of them performed to their best but they'd still probably have been beaten comfortably if they did. It's a limited pool of resources, undeniably, but Trap's stubbornness and inflexibility needs to change before the WC qualifiers start.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 15 June 2012 07:50 (eleven years ago) link
agreed. he has a rafa level of stubbornness. he would pick james mclean if everyone was telling him not to.
i dunno, i just don't feel comfortable totally berating him. we were in a fucking heap before he took charge.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 08:09 (eleven years ago) link
What's the difference between Spain and Fidel Castro?
Spain were helped by more than one Shay Giv' error.
― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Friday, 15 June 2012 08:40 (eleven years ago) link
I am actually physically appalled that I just typed that.
I'm appalled for you. And also at myself for laughing.
― ailsa, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not really sure what that Ireland squad could have done that wouldn't have resulted in a whipping by Spain.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:14 (eleven years ago) link
I mean they gave away some soft goals but most of these players are either old and off the pace or just not that good in the first place. And Spain are one of the best teams ever, in midfield at least.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:15 (eleven years ago) link
fucking spain... i stay up till 3am to watch the first half hoping to see tons of goals and those fuckers decide to score only once before HT, keeping the other three for afterwards. bastards! not doing anything to make me like them one bit
― Jibe, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:20 (eleven years ago) link
You want them to give a good account of themselves though xp, give it a bit of a go. Two things really - carry some sort of threat of winning the game (not too bad here as had a couple of threatening attacks, should probably give McClean and Long a shot at it), but above all not to give it up cheaply. If you do that and still get beaten you can't complain.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:22 (eleven years ago) link
they played particularly badly and looked v unfit to me. but i agree with you mostly. i think conceding goals in the opening 3/4 mins of every half so far does suggest a lack of concentration though, even against top sides you'd expect a bit more resistance.
xpost otm
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
also on the fans stuff, fuck roy keane tbh, i was pleased with the fact they were singing at the end, support is a part of sport.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:24 (eleven years ago) link
the way he goes on you'd swear he wants the fans to boo the team off
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:25 (eleven years ago) link
otm on the fans stuff. the press in france is in awe of the irish support and them singing till the end etc. apparently even the most annoying commentators shut up to listen to singing. coming from a country where the team is booed and whistled off the pitch if they are losing, the irish fans are dawesome and def not to be angry at.
― Jibe, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:27 (eleven years ago) link
he wants the fans to run on and kick the players until they buck their ideas up
― Mexès Coleslaw Massacre (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:28 (eleven years ago) link
i have sympathy for his "losing is not a joke" shtick but he's wrong
of course we overdo the brave losers thing, but still.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
surprised to see Ireland as high as 18th in the FIFA rankings. if you look at the teams around them - Sweden, Mexico, Colombia, Cote d'Ivoire, you can maybe see some models for having a go with limited resources and support not revolving around it all being a huge laugh.
nb i wd take "it all being a huge laugh" over "God Save the Queen" jesus that song makes me wanna kill
― Mexès Coleslaw Massacre (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:37 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't think Keane criticised the fans (I maybe need to see it again) - I thought he criticised the players for coming out and giving it "the fans have been brilliant" when they haven't given the fans anything worth watching.
― "What a book!" Terry Bland (onimo), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:38 (eleven years ago) link
"the fans aren't just here for a sing-song" isn't the same as criticising them for singing.
― "What a book!" Terry Bland (onimo), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:40 (eleven years ago) link
i thought andrews spoke well, but i dunno, i am a big fan of him in general. the only one trying to get a goal against croatia.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:45 (eleven years ago) link
zlatan, yaya, falcao, hernandez.....
ireland just don't have the players
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Friday, 15 June 2012 09:48 (eleven years ago) link
Keane otm about it being right to have elevated expectations. Denmark is a small place without huge stars, but they usually manage to make the knockout stages.
I associate Scotland's nosedive with 'just pleased to be here' taking over as the sentiment, sometime around Craig Brown. It's maybe as likely the cause-and-effect is the other way round but still, I'm sure there used to be genuine annoyance at always going out in the first round. Now still having a mathematical shout of a playoff place come the last game is seen as a relatively successful campaign.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 15 June 2012 09:48 (eleven years ago) link
Denmark doesn't have huge stars but the base quality of those players is better across the board.
Problem with Ireland is that most of their players come up through the Premiership which isn't adequate training for getting even good English players to play decent international football.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 June 2012 10:05 (eleven years ago) link
this is otm too. there are definitely better guys not getting a run though, v similar to the england prob except our gerrard/lamps etc are robbie keane and duffer, and john o'shea.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 10:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that seems true
― Mexès Coleslaw Massacre (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 June 2012 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
plenty of otm but i gotta go bbq and gokart laters
absolutely gutted that our early concession cost us the chance of getting my cherished 'shit without messi, you're only shit without messi' chant off the ground, has bemused spaniards from montecasino to the amber arena that one
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 10:46 (eleven years ago) link
i do think you can pick out zlatan falcao yaya as isolated players and try to make it look as if thats the company we`re in but that`s no more an average measure of the player in the teams around us than glenn whelan is of our first team. and zlatan`s shit.
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 10:50 (eleven years ago) link
Also FIFA Rankings are bullshit because there's no way that the Ivory Coast aren't way better than Ireland.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 June 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
the rankings are iffy but the point is about belief in yr ability i think
― Mexès Coleslaw Massacre (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 June 2012 11:00 (eleven years ago) link
busy man
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 11:19 (eleven years ago) link
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/06/brilliant.jpg
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 June 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
idg kr0-5sen
― Smothered, Covered and Chunked!!! (a hoy hoy), Friday, 15 June 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link
krosse is 'to crush'. idg why they've decided on 5-0.
― useless chamber, Friday, 15 June 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
smorgas-bored into a coma more like
― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Friday, 15 June 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
sweden are seriously up for this for some weird reason. it's like thomas ravelli's eyes have infected their hearts.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
games vs england are always a huge deal. no less now when roy is in charge, who this morning was described in one newspaper as a "god".
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 15 June 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
and the little clap they give themselves after they've sung it. eurgh.
― Chris, Friday, 15 June 2012 13:05 (eleven years ago) link
why the sex pistols hate?
― Totally committed to the Corrs (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 15 June 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
On a related note - is it true that fucking band are going to be allowed back in tonight? (the England brass thing, not the sex pistols)
― Totally committed to the Corrs (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 15 June 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link
i joined the various "keep them banned" groups with pride.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
Pukka Pies will be making an official representation to UEFA following the exclusion of the Pukka Pies England Band for the England versus France at the European Championship.
― Chris, Friday, 15 June 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
Innocent Smoothie prob sponsor the band.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
imo it's grossly offensive to musicians everywhere to describe them as a band
― Mexès Coleslaw Massacre (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 June 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
Every nation gets the support it deserves iirc
― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Friday, 15 June 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link