Acceptable or Unacceptable: Coffeeshops that refuse to serve Espresso-over-ice

espresso over ice "shocks" the flavor and it tastes like shit!

Which is to say, god yes put it over ice to get it down the hatch quicker.

are u a HUFFPOST SUPER USER?

we should probably just ban coffee shops

no but i'm friends with one!!!!

ALSO IF IT'S NOT ALREADY APPARENT I AM JUICED ON THE COFFEE TODAY

BZZZZZ

espresso on ice is obv retarded but if the customer asks and it requires no especial effort then honestly just do it idk

huffpo comment thread idea -- should service workers do as they're fucking told? are you angry about service workers? what would mubarak have done about this?

Do they refuse to make Americani too?

i'm in a unique position on this - my gf is a barista and strongly advocates the position that it's not on the menu for a reason (it tastes bad and they take pride in serving good tasting coffee). my friend frequently orders espresso-over-ice, but he actually likes the taste. and in fact he created a huge incident at the coffeeshop mentioned in the huffpost article just a few months ago when the barista refused to serve it to him. and he does add cream to it ("just a little") when it's served to him, which inevitably infuriates baristas because they're doing him a favor in the first place by serving it to him.

created a huge incident at the coffeeshop

:(

espresso tastes like the floor of an exxon service bay - hot or cold.

this is a better question if you assume the Amsterdam definition of "coffeeshop" and imagine stoned ppl dumping weed into a glass of ice

The shit that ppl put in espresso... I was a barista a million years ago and I used to put whatever ppl paid me to in their coffee. Lowfat milk, chocolate syrup, flavorings, etc... They can't have been much better than espress over ice but I prefered the coffee granita we had on hot days, anyway.

tbh I am fully on board with the "get a latte for the price of an espresso" scam

Coffee prices themselves are a scam so whatevs.

Iced tea is so much better than iced coffee

I realize this is not a majority opinion but most iced tea tastes like spit

doesn't m white wear white suits and presumably he carries a cane and speaks like william faulkner? it would be a crying shame if he didn't prefer ice tea

a good ice latter is better ime but i don't think i've had good ice tea

agh latté

i am using this thread just to say: fuck all the new ritzy single-pour coffee places.

you suck and are ridiculous

fwiw, the extremely scientific huffpost poll (which i've voted in 4 times) asking "Does a coffeeshop have the right to refuse to make a triple espresso over ice?" is in a virtual dead heat right now at 48.4% Yes to 51.6% No.

If the customer is paying for it then shut the fuck up and give them their gd espresso over ice imo.

expresso ftw

I thought this said espresso over ice cream at first and now I want some of that. Gimmie.

personally have a strong IA hatred for cheapskate scammers with their espresso over ice in a grande cup topped off with an entire cup of creamer. I see a few of them at my local place and I always want to yell at them but I have no good reason for doing so except oh hai I'm a spazz lol

reminds me of loser Deadhead fans who'd make "salad" from the nacho condiment bar at concerts.
DEADBEATS. all of them.

espresso over ice? I have no beef with places that do or don't serve them. just charge them for any creamer they might top off with, so that they don't steal creamer from decent citizens who actually pay for a full cup of coffee.

definite right to refuse btw. 'the customer is always right' has destroyed the US and we need to take it back imo.

e otm....that can be very good

there's an italian term for i can't remember but yeah just an espresso over rly good vanilla ice cream on a 90F day....

AND if these cheapskate creamer-stealers have a problem with the price of the coffee you're buying, go to 7/11 or the gas station or the grocery store ffs. it's not like you can't find cheap coffee anywhere.

affogato is espresso over icecream iirc

ha - I couldn't remember the term :)

right! gold star for u

my mom sometimes goes to coffee places and asks for espresso over ice bc she wants to make a latte but can't use their milk cause it's not kosher enough (she brings her own from home). sometimes they yell at her and she shows them her big container of double-super-kosher milk from home.

There are levels of kosher? I had no idea.

Mordy's mom: approved!

Super kosher!

http://www.brooklynscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/milk.jpg

super kosher!

yay I get a gold star, thank u nakhchivan!

super kosher milk huh. cool!

sometimes they yell at her and she shows them her big container of double-super-kosher milk from home.

do they stop yelling?

:'(

but she's a tough lady, she can dish it out if they get too mean

ACCEPTABLE

Maybe people have a problem with the idea that adding 20 cents worth of cold milk to a $1.50 shot of espresso should make it cost $4.00.

i have no idea why you would want to drink it this way but i'm not going to get mad at people who ask for it over ice either

if ppl are going to drink on the premises then they will probably spend longer faffing about drinking an iced latte than they would if they drank an espresso

they steam the milk in a latte! even an iced one. so you're getting some other thing if you pull the scam, right? a con mucho leche or some shit. they're still getting their meager hourly wage for the labor they are not doing for the drink you are not getting steamed.

fuck if i was a barista i'd invite this kind of behavior.

Wait what? No they don't, do they? Pouring a bunch of steamed milk over ice would melt the ice real fast.

I'm sure starbucks doesn't do it anyway.

we need a barista in here, stat

i got into the habit of buying those stupid sugary starbucks bottled lattes which in at least one local shop cost more than any takeaway espresso based coffee from the pretty good café nextdoor

OK, I buy it.

Butter coffee trend divides coffee shop owners

http://dnainfo.com/chicago/20140627/west-town/butter-coffee-trend-divides-coffee-shop-owners

“It’s a beverage,” Wright said. “It’s not a meal replacement even though it does have a lot of the proteins and the dairy and the fats that your body requires.”

^^^ says a stooge on the payroll of big butter coffee

Countdown to fuckin' bacon coffee starts now. Assholes.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ilovecoffee-img/uploads/bacon_coffee/bacon_coffee.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ

haha

Then there is this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/dining/the-best-iced-latte-in-america.html?_r=0

I had the G&B iced latte, but it's way too sweet. More to the point, any place that A) calls itself Go Get Em Tiger and B) closes at 6pm can go fuck itself in the face.

Made an espresso shakerato with a 100% Robusta this morning. It was goddamn good. TAKE THAT, HIPPIES!!!

Am drinking Trader Joe's instant while reading this thread

my favorite iced coffee is made with this:

http://www.artfire.com/uploads/product/4/514/46514/4146514/4146514/large/cafe_bustelo_instant_espresso_powder_75_oz_jar_79ac1bac.jpg

Had melted butter with a dash of coffee this morning

Read whole thread for no reason. Made me miss Indian street coffee: shot of instant, plus a ladle's worth of boiling milk and sugar kept going in a nearby cauldron to kill any bacteria etc. Almost no caffeine but a pleasant sugar pick-me-up, plus the enjoyable slow-down of having to dump the mixture back and forth between dish and glass to cool it down. Made for a good 10am and 3pm work break every day.

misread & thought it said 'a ladies woth of boiling milk' lol

are you insane indian street coffee is the worst

if you can find something to appreciate about coffee with almost no caffeine you strike me as an absurdly tolerant person

you don't have to put up with coffee with no caffeine, Dr. Casino! what else have you been putting up with???

I was fine with it not having caffeine! Much more important was the structure it gave to the day, with the coffee breaks, conviviality, walk in the sunshine to and from the coffee stand, and something sweet to perk everybody up each time. I was probably at the lowest caffeine dependency of my adult life at that point, it was groovy.

Is there proper coffee shop etiquette for asking for certain food items, like when you order a muffin and they reach for the smallest one and you want another?

i think i could maybe have one or two cups of decaf a day without noticing i was missing caffeine, they couldn't be Key Cups, the cups twinned with Crucial Peaks, but a lot of the time i am just drinking coffee because i want to go get a coffee or to watch something pour or to control body temperature &c&c

like how there's room in life for shitty coffee, you are some other place for awhile, it is almost like a thought experiment

also ed you just ask for your dream muffin but sweetly

if you are kind and tip well they will always select the largest muffin for you

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/ristretto-on-the-rocks/

I do it this way, if anyone cares (and also if no one cares): I make a double espresso with my espresso machine into a pre-warmed glass, add sugar to the coffee (a touch more than usual) and stir it in, put it in a cocktail shaker with 5 or 6 ice cubes and maybe a splash of milk (not necessary), shake the hell out of it for 15 seconds (the shaker will get very cold if you do it long enough, so possibly hold it with a towel), pout it through strainer (no ice) into glass. It is very nice indeed. This is a pretty standard Italian style.

Hmm...had an ice coffee in this shop and it was basically coffee with 2 ice cubes (?) I didn't know what I was expecting. Maybe more like the above.

I mean I do like coffee cold, unlike cold tea which is disgusting.

The problem with pouring coffee over ice cubes isn't this "shocks the coffee" silliness; it's that by putting coffee at its hottest directly on ice cubes and waiting for it to get cold, you are going to have watered down coffee before you start drinking, and the ice cubes are going to keep melting. Shaking and straining fixes this, plus nice frothy texture.

The shaker method still melts some of the ice into the coffee, though. Maybe use the stone "ice cubes" that some stores sell, though with that you may get the freezer flavor from the cubes.

make the coffee stronger

make icecubes out of coffee idk

Local joint used to do that for iced coffees

serve it in a frosty mug

could be coffee who knows
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tZVufRlMtzM/TCTXwwN1ykI/AAAAAAAAB6c/78b_pcSMnnw/s1600/Picture+1.png

I tried the keep a mug in the freezer thing at one point (for beer) but I noticed it picked up freezer flavor* that tainted the beer. I still do it occasionally now, but only when I can put the mug in 20 minutes or so before I pour the beer. Coffee ice cubes is a good idea but requires more pre-prep than a glass of iced coffee should.

* Now available as a band name.

I make my iced coffee in a walk-in freezer

tbh idk what a little bit of extra water from shaken ice cubes is going to do to an iced coffee i mean is it really such a dealbreaker

shaker method sounds p good to me

xp you could chill your coffee by pouring it over a hanging slab of meat and collecting the drips at the bottom

let gravity and a huge frozen slab of meat do the work for you. it's easy.

Am I missing some reason not to keep a pitcher of coffee in the fridge, and pour it over ice as needed...? Does coffee get ''tarnished'' by refrigeration or something?

Never as good as fresh brewed, but I do that sometimes.

I was making my grocery list for this week and the first two things on it are
- butter
- coffee

good NYT article

"opening the fridge to find a jar of concentrate is as much a part of summer as a nectarine or a Carvelanche. "

had a good toddy today

well a few sips of one anyway

xp quiddity material

The thing that annoys me about my coffee shop is that they don't offer skim milk. Yes, I like it better that 2%. So I'll only buy drinks with no milk in it there.

let's get to the really important question: do you sweeten your iced coffee with simple syrup or sugar? syrup is obviously more effective but for my money it's just not real iced coffee unless i've got a sludge of crunchy sugar crystals at the bottom of my plastic cup, in easy reach of my straw for sugary sippin'

Sugar. Sweeten the coffee while it's hot, then into the shaker it goes.

http://i.imgur.com/sJctI8K.jpg
92F/33C + 85% humidity

Unacceptable ban coffee shop foreva

Lmao

https://nypost.com/2022/10/03/starbucks-barista-slams-customers-hack-we-delete-the-order/amp/