Ms. Ginn, left, in her rat-pelt dress, and Ms. LaViola chatting with guests before dinner.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/pixel.gif
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
damn, for some reason i couldn't get that rat-pelt dress picture to show up. maybe a moderator can add it.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
i couldn't even save that picture to my computer. the times is tricky.
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/27/arts/design/20120727-RATS-4.html
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/26/garden/26TWENTIES_SPAN/26TWENTIES-articleLarge.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
she needs to come along for the ride.
Across the table Mr. Hutchings gnawed on a rat bone, pronouncing it delicious. The dinner delivered on its once-in-a-lifetime promise. “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/07/27/arts/27RATS_SPAN/27RATS_SPAN-articleLarge.jpg
For Ms. Ginn skinning and eating rats represents the survivalist instincts she likes to explore in her work. “To have these sorts of skills, it’s very empowering,” she said. “It makes me feel like I have more control over my world.”
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
Cheryl Westchester Cty
It reminds me a bit of the Woman Warrior ( Maxine Kingston) description of the narrator's mother as a Great Eater, one who could literally and figuratively eat any dish set before her without the slightest expression of fear or disgust. But in a setting of extreme comfort, and the best condiments and disguises for the purchased rats, it doesn't seem to signify anything. Now, if all the rats had been "wild raised" in NYC and caught by the participants, that would be a better story... Or perhaps if different rats had been trapped in different restaurants, again, we could compare the effects of different restaurant fare on their taste.... Overall, ick.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
jg San Francisco
How is this any different from the sensationalism of TV Shows like Fear Factor. Rats are disgusting and only eaten in the worst of times. They are in fact disease ridden and thoroughly disgusting. Why does this generation insist on destroying paradigms or structures without any sensible or tangible replacements. Did they learn nothing from the Baby Boomers and the "Me" generation? I hate everything about this from it's pettiness to its barbarism to the sensationalistic and cynical nature of it. Rich people eating rats. Rich indeed.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
comments get really real:
Sami Long Beach, CA
This can be seen as the expected result of the gentrification of New York that has been occurring for the past 20 years or so. Rats, formerly associated with urban squalor, became reified as a kind of aesthetic signifier of "authentic" New York-ness by the post-collegiate hordes of mostly white middle class young people who flocked to places like Williamsburg in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were ravenous for real urban life, and embraced the rat as a component of a lifestyle they sought - even as their (the gentrifiers) increasing presence destroyed that same reality by displacing working class residents and communities that had been associated with the presence of rats during the Reagan era of urban decline. This event combines the role that art plays in the gentrification process with the gentrifiers obsession with "local" food culture in an ironic glorification of their (Pyrrhic) conquest of the "urban."
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
something about eating rats that really pisses people off.
sorry, link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/arts/design/dinner-at-an-exhibition-rat-prepared-many-ways.html?ref=dining
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 03:10 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes I feel like the cycle of trolling and being trolled has just become a ritual for the Times style sections, like the commenters are just this chorus of people who "come to boo"
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
I mean that's what we are, basically
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
ya they know what theyre doin
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 July 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
SamiLong Beach, CA
― scott seward, Friday, 27 July 2012 04:07 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ rad
― , Blogger (schlump), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I think we can't totally discount the possibility that this artist is trolling us too, like basically going for what that commenter is describing? I mean “I don’t care about it as art,” he said. “I care about it as something that makes me a more interesting human being.”
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
that sounds like trolling
i don't know, do you think that psychiatrists think their case studies are interesting as human beings, or just... interesting...?
― j., Friday, 27 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:53 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this wasn't the artist, this was one of the guests
this seems totally fine to me tbh
― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
i hope that they get the plague and die.
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/automobiles/autoreviews/you-cant-beat-it-with-a-stick.html
Priced from $26,795, this is the ILX that screams “compromise” at the top of its little 2-liter lungs, with standard cloth seats and just 150 breathless horses from a version of the Civic engine.
― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 29 July 2012 06:53 (eleven years ago) link
the ILX seems limited to fans of zing-it-yourself compacts at a relatively high price.
― undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 29 July 2012 07:01 (eleven years ago) link
too much time on nyt
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://storify.com/jcstearns/lessons-from-the-fake-new-york-times-wikileaks-op
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
hey, in the interest of fair play, i read that article about the girl tavi who had the fashion blog and now has the rookie site and she seems cool and her site looks great and smart.
don't want to hate every young person in the new york times. makes me feel bad.
"in the spirit of sassy magazine" is always a good move. plus, john waters loves her and that's good enough for me.
wish more websites looked like the rookie site for real! so easy to read and navigate and pleasant to look at.
http://rookiemag.com/
― scott seward, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
ya tavi is awesome
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
yep rookie is great and i wish i was as cool and smart at 28 as tavi is at 15/16
― Roz, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
nothing to hate about tavi.
― wmlynch, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Rookie is great and I wish it was there to read when I was 12+ years old. So much better than so many teen girl mags.
― Crabbits, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
LONG ILX THREADS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK:
1. Click on the Permalink of the message right after the cutoff.
2. The URL will now contain something like "bookmarkedmessageid=3669956"
3. Change that number to something smaller and you will be jumped back to an earlier point in the thread without loading the whole thing.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, July 27, 2012 12:52 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark
I feel dumb for not having thought of doing this myself!
― Je55e, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
i tried it on the long orig breaking bad thread & it didnt seem 2 work
― johnny crunch, Friday, 3 August 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
Which part didn't work? The only maybe tricky part is that if you don't make that number small enough, you won't get any older messages. And if you make that number too small you'll be at the first messages. Usually lowering it by thousands or ten-thousands is enough.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
i have tried it and it worked
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 August 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
What I do with a long thread is open it at my bookmarked spot and then hit permalink on the first post while the rest is loading.
― Moodles, Friday, 3 August 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
fyi you can also click on the permalink for the last post before the fold and then just click “view previous page"
― 1staethyr, Friday, 3 August 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
View Previous Page has only ever worked sporadically for me.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 3 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
i enjoy that scott is all 'that tavi girl'
― thomp, Friday, 3 August 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Saturday, 4 August 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/nyregion/four-men-sharing-rent-and-friendship-for-18-years.html
men. living together.
― goole, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
i was looking for a thread on like manchildren or something to post this on but i guess this is close enough because lol nytimes not so much these guys are the ruling class
― buzza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
"Shyaporn Theerakulstit, actor and audiobook narrator"
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/fashion/montauk-feels-the-effects-of-too-many-hipsters.html
In the meantime, longtime residents are left to harken back to that first crowd that had to endure an invasion of newcomers, the Montauket tribe. As Mr. Devlin’s wife, Eileen, joked on Friday as the restaurant prepared for another busy night, “Now I know how the Indians felt.”
Nope. No you don't.
― Playoff Starts Here (san lazaro), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
it notes clearly that she was joking
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
yah what gives
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
Another showed a rifle and the words “Defend Montauk.”
printing hipster shirts against hipsters u might be a hipster
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
also isnt the fedora more of a broish affectation
― goole, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:57 PM
this was hilarious! The comments, though, are mostly horrifying.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 August 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
quiddities thread has made me insensitive to the real articles, i want all the stupid setup cut so i can get right to the aughs
― j., Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
so by hipster they just mean young money?
― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/aXnRN.jpg
well
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/11/magazine/marriage-trust-fund-ethics.html
I am a 44-year-old man and have been married to my spouse for 10 years. We’ve been together for 15. Unbeknown to my spouse, I have a trust fund that provides me with a monthly income of $25,000. When we first met, I said that I worked as a consultant, and they have never questioned this.
― Number None, Sunday, 13 August 2023 17:43 (seven months ago) link
a monthly what of what now???
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 13 August 2023 17:45 (seven months ago) link
lol @ the previous week's "answer". such a garbage column.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 13 August 2023 17:48 (seven months ago) link
My favorite part of that whole bonkers question is when he says that he and his spouse are "comfortably upper-middle-class" — on $300k a year in trust fund money plus whatever their hard-working DOCTOR spouse makes.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 13 August 2023 18:04 (seven months ago) link
He wrote "unbeknown to my spouse" instead of "what my spouse doesn't know is" so that tells me enough about this asshole right off the top.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 13 August 2023 18:19 (seven months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/R5wZhLT.png
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 09:58 (five months ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:28 (five months ago) link
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:29 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/90VQzk0.jpg
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 18 November 2023 08:43 (four months ago) link
🧐
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 18 November 2023 17:06 (four months ago) link
Yeah, they were murdered, and farms need still need to be able to grow food so people can eat it. Real quid ag.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 19 November 2023 23:27 (four months ago) link
In Proclamation’s Wake, Plantations Scramble For Talent
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 November 2023 13:17 (four months ago) link
Ah yes, Hamas liberated a bunch of paid farm workers by gunning them down, great analogy
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 20 November 2023 14:08 (four months ago) link
Here's a gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-farms-palestinians-thailand.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.f8j5.txKJ7TI8ES9m&smid=url-share
Some workers were killed or kinapped, though the vast majority left the country (Thai workers) or are prohibited from entering Israel (Palestinians).
This was probably the closest it gets to thread aptness, though it's certainly not specific to Israel: "Israel needs farmers, but the farmers need laborers to do the hard work of planting vegetables and picking fruit, milking cows and raising honeybees."
Though this is also striking:
After the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, Israeli farms began hiring workers from the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But in the 1980s new restrictions were imposed on Palestinians following the protests, violent riots and terror attacks of the intifada. Thais, who had been informally migrating to do field work, began receiving visas in much larger numbers.“The sort of open gate for Palestinians closed,” said Adriana Kemp, a sociologist at Tel Aviv University who studies labor migration. “What I call the ‘great replacement’ began in the ’90s.”Israeli growers who hired Thai workers found them a more regular labor force than Palestinians, who could be delayed at border checkpoints or barred from entering Israel.But now, said Ms. Kemp, “for the first time, Israeli agriculture can’t rely on a continuous stream of workers.”
“The sort of open gate for Palestinians closed,” said Adriana Kemp, a sociologist at Tel Aviv University who studies labor migration. “What I call the ‘great replacement’ began in the ’90s.”
Israeli growers who hired Thai workers found them a more regular labor force than Palestinians, who could be delayed at border checkpoints or barred from entering Israel.
But now, said Ms. Kemp, “for the first time, Israeli agriculture can’t rely on a continuous stream of workers.”
― rob, Monday, 20 November 2023 14:36 (four months ago) link
Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 20 November 2023 15:38 (four months ago) link
True, that's what I was getting at by "not specific to Israel"; sorry if my wording there was too vague. But your claim that the lost workers "were murdered" or "gunned down" isn't accurate, given we're talking about 40,000 people, including 9,000 Palestinians. And there is, imo, something specific to Israel about 9k Palestinians acting as "migrant" farm workers in the first place.
― rob, Monday, 20 November 2023 15:57 (four months ago) link
man alive I wasn’t trying to make a perfect analogy just trying to capture the obscenity of identifying with business imperatives during a time of genocide
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 November 2023 16:25 (four months ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, November 20, 2023 9:38 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ok so let's never talk about israel. it's just like the UK and the US, two countries that should also never be discussed or criticized
― budo jeru, Monday, 20 November 2023 16:33 (four months ago) link
Seen similar reports of Indian workers filling in for Palestinians in construction.
This happens in the Gulf.
That aside this is where sanctions would really hurt Israel.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 November 2023 16:39 (four months ago) link
xp talk about whatever you want, I just find it oddly glib for a Brit to suggest that a terrorist attack making it hard to find labor for farms is "quid ag." It's not like we're talking about a beach resort.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 20 November 2023 16:47 (four months ago) link
I did give the use of this thread a side eye since I thought we were against collective punishment.
Probably well intentioned but creating a dichotomy of "us" versus "them" is one of the stages of genocide.
Trying to recast food insecurity into some "business" narrative is probably not a great fit for this thread.
It's possible to want all the people to live, and for everyone to have enough to eat. I did not think that was controversial.
There are a large number of Thai farm workers that Hamas murdered and continue to hold as hostages.
Among Hamas Hostages: More Than 20 Thais, Half a World From Home https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/world/asia/thailand-hostages-hamas-israel.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.5m-U.MwMbLZu6a80T&smid=nytcore-android-share
There were also Filipino and Tanzanian people murdered by Hamas. Let's not forget about them.
― felicity, Monday, 20 November 2023 17:03 (four months ago) link
right. i do think it belongs on "no way NYT" and not here, although i do sometimes conflate the threads tbf (as with so many threads here)
― budo jeru, Monday, 20 November 2023 17:06 (four months ago) link
guys guys this is a safe space for mocking brain-dead NYT headlines. yes i’m sure the article itself has a lot of nuance!
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 November 2023 17:45 (four months ago) link
On Trail Of Tears, A Lively Trade In Second-Hand Baby Clothes
Who created the dichotomy of “us” and “them” in this particular instance? Sometimes I read these threads and feel like I’m losing my mind.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 20 November 2023 18:00 (four months ago) link
xp idk i do think the thread is specifically about calling out elitism and class privilege, which i think explains why you're getting this response from some. we do have the "no way NYT" like i said
and to be clear i think the NYT can fuck right off
― budo jeru, Monday, 20 November 2023 18:04 (four months ago) link
it’s about the world as viewed by the ownership classwhere 1000s of dead palestinians (and thais etc) become a business continuity issue
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 November 2023 18:07 (four months ago) link
i don't disagree but also the entirety of the NYT is devoted to depicting the world as viewed by the ownership class. and so i sympathize with those who felt that you were suggesting that the farmers themselves ought to be the object of derision, since that's generally how this thread works
― budo jeru, Monday, 20 November 2023 18:12 (four months ago) link
Colts owner Jim Irsay says he was arrested in 2014 because he’s ‘a rich, white billionaire’
Irsay said he’d recently had hip surgery at the time, which made it difficult for him to walk and required him to take prescribed medications. He told her he pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor because he just wanted to get it over with.Irsay went on to accuse the Indianapolis suburb’s Carmel Police Department of profiling him. . . . “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”
Irsay went on to accuse the Indianapolis suburb’s Carmel Police Department of profiling him. . . . “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 21:11 (four months ago) link
Aaron W. Gordon @awgordon.bsky.social
I love the WSJ so much. Laser-focused on its intended audience.
https://i.imgur.com/MqWqw0j.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/22Noaqt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Efaaogq.jpg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 21:22 (three months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/xHvyQZT.png
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link
I dunno rising pedestrian deaths are a pretty serious issue
― Pat Methamphetamine Trio (is this anything?) (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 7 January 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link
advocating for walkable city is not ruling class quiddity imo
― budo jeru, Sunday, 7 January 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link
(Not addressed to you specifically budo) In case it wasn’t clear I meant pedestrian deaths are indeed a serious issue. Private automobiles should banned from most of Manhattan.
― Pat Methamphetamine Trio (is this anything?) (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 7 January 2024 18:57 (two months ago) link
i know. i was addressing the inclusion of the article in this thread in the first place.
― budo jeru, Sunday, 7 January 2024 21:00 (two months ago) link
not to speak for the good lord but I think it was posted for the namedropping headline… and the idea that well now that we’ve reached a state where Baudelaire himself would be run over in the streets the issue of pedestrian safety is sufficiently dire to merit ink
― brimstead, Monday, 8 January 2024 20:10 (two months ago) link
I think the thing that has changed the pedestrian safety dynamic in NYC is the ubiquity of delivery people on e-bikes. Maybe it's classist to point this out?
― o. nate, Monday, 8 January 2024 20:53 (two months ago) link
It is funny how the WSJ is so much more openly ruling class, whereas the NYT tries to hide it a bit.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 8 January 2024 21:12 (two months ago) link
Yeah, its a bit obvious when the WSJ weekly real estate section is called "Mansion", no beating around the bush.
― o. nate, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:35 (two months ago) link
Of course I'm sure that's aspirational for most WSJ readers.
― o. nate, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:36 (two months ago) link
delivery people on e-bikes kill a couple people each year in nyc. cars and trucks kill the other 200-250
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:37 (two months ago) link
Sure, I'm talking about the sense of personal safety as a pedestrian though. Getting hit by a bike is still no fun.
― o. nate, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:39 (two months ago) link
In that article the writer says she was hit three times by bikes last year! I'm sure if she'd been hit by cars 3 times she wouldn't be around to write about it.
― o. nate, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:40 (two months ago) link
― brimstead,
This.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2024 22:04 (two months ago) link
yep, lol at the idea of winning people to this (extremely good!) cause with this framing, though I admit I kind of enjoyed it
― rob, Monday, 8 January 2024 22:09 (two months ago) link
How would these abortion restrictions have affected Madame de Stael?
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 15:26 (two months ago) link
The Best Part of Tiny Living? The ‘Freedom We Have Created for Ourselves.’With a little house in The Hague, a compact getaway on the Italian island of Sardinia and a well-designed camper van, who needs a conventional home
When the renovation was finished, the couple were so pleased with their new compact living space, its proximity to the beach and its friendly neighborhood that they arrived at an unexpected conclusion: They wanted to live there all the time.“That’s how the downsizing started,” Ms. Wassenaar said. “We started living in the small place and renting out the bigger home in the posh neighborhood.”Before long, Mr. Losonsky, who had bought the couple’s old apartment before meeting Ms. Wassenaar and had paid off the mortgage, came to another realization: With rent coming in and few expenses, he no longer needed to work. He retired in late 2019, just before turning 50.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 26 January 2024 14:37 (two months ago) link
They Took Their Horses to the Swiss Alps for Snow Polo. They Got Slush Instead.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 1 February 2024 16:43 (one month ago) link
lmao
― rob, Thursday, 1 February 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link
My favorite Liars album.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 February 2024 19:03 (one month ago) link