滚着滚着 rolling china + sinosphere 2013

Bunch of sabre rattling imo

Although China's claim to the islands is much more defensible than their claim to the South China Sea

BREAKING NEWS12:12 PM ET
U.S. Flies B-52s Through China’s Expanded Air Defense Zone

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/26/21628746-china-destroys-500-barbecues-that-cause-serious-air-pollution

Lol. Blame your crippling air pollution on the same ethnic minority that you're brutally suppressing

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026105/china-japan-rearmament-is-keynesian-stimulus-if-it-doesnt-go-horribly-wrong/

Whether China fully believes this another matter, of course. The Senkaku islands offer a perfect opportunity for Beijing to test the resolve of the Obama Administration since it is far from clear to the war-weary American people why they should risk conflict in Asia over these uninhabited rocks near Taiwan, and since it also far from clear whether President Obama's Asian Pivot is much more than a rhetorical flourish.

i think the chinese are right to think that obama won't do much to stop them, despite assertions to the contrary. i'd like to believe that you can use diplomacy + negotiation like obama has and maintain military deterrence, but maybe not. it certainly seems after syria + iran that the US (for good reason) has no stomach for military conflict. it has destabilizing results elsewhere tho. i don't think japan can deter china on this. of course, chomsky would say why should the US have any say on what happens between japan and china anyway. we should mind our own business. idk.

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I hope this is the final wake up call to central government to immediately accelerate nuclear parity and MAD capability development before it is too late! China must speeding up development and deployment of both road-mobile and sea-based MRIV nuclear ICBMs, and a new generation of nuclear fleet. China must at minimum increase nuclear arsenal by 10 times to guarantee the dignity and safety of Chinese nation, including over 100 million diaspora across the globe.

In this world, you cannot reason with the japanese thugs or American neocon dimwits who wants nothing but the worst for China; and understand that even in the 21st century, "might is right", the only thing that will safeguard a long lasting peaceful development environment for China is nuclear parity and MAD capability and a first-use nuclear policy against any japanese aggression.

I pray every day that Chinese mainland military achieves nuclear parity and MAD capability asap -- before the next war erupts, because that is the only guarantee that to prevent my children being sent to an American concentration camp; the only thing that is going to prevent 6 years old American white boys being taught by their parents and mainstream media that "kill everyone in China" is a solution to American national debt owed to Chinese workers' blood and sweat; the only thing that is going to prevent the ABC Host Jimmy Kimmel and American neocon warmongers to ask and decide "should we allow Chinese to live".!
Nov. 26, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.

why should the US have any say on what happens between japan and china anyway.

This is a good question. What do you think Mordy

U.S. and Japan Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement kind of gets us into the mix when japan and china get to spatting.

I think very powerful countries will often come into conflict with one another and hoping for anything otherwise is silly.

this sort of diplomatic shitfighting is so abstruse, simultaneously artful and deterministic but utterly atavistic and abstracted from any sort of commonsense, an uninhabited rock is never an uninhabited rock

taiwan is significantly more dangerous than japan anyway

^^ true that

Anyway the Diaoyu islands (oops, notice what I did there) are important 1) as a symbol of China's willingness to stand up against Japan, who everybody in the Pacific Rim hates and 2) potential vast amounts of natural resources in the seabeds that would be accorded to the country that owns them via UNCLOS

2) is the same reason that China's going for the South China Sea and drawing enmity from all the ASEAN nations

Important to realize that militarily China is simply vastly outgunned by the US. It's no contest

Really no need to pay attention to warhawks who think China is threat. Maybe in 10 years. The tech simply isn't there yet. Does the US even sell any arms to China

My impression is that China is making this move bc they assume the US won't do anything serious to contest it.

You're putting the cart before the horse

Japan's the target

well, we already know that the US can fly military planes through the zone w/out problem. next step is to see if japan can do it too

Why does that even matter. Nothing's going to come of it regardless of whether Japan flies a plane through it or not

their proximity to taiwan seems relevant? they seem to have been part of taiwan in adminstrative terms back in the day and if somehow china got hold of them again, they would attempt to leverage that

i should have checked to see that they are speculated to have mineral deposits before writing them off as rocks, sorry senkaku islands

I see where you stand in this debate nakh

Yeah the Taiwan angle is reason #3. Taiwan does have a claim but its the weakest of the 3

they have requested to be called the senkaku islands

if they want to be called the dayo islands, they need to webmail me

http://scmp.com/news/china/article/1365125/china-objects-us-over-irresponsible-remarks-sea-defence-zone

According to this article Japanese commercial flights have been flying through the 'zone' for days now not following China's directions

It's all a bunch of bullfrogs puffing their throats at each other

Query whether China wants to get South Korea mad also as they appear to have done

It's probably demonstrable that South Koreans hate Japan even more intensely than Chinese do. And query how many people in China actually virulently hate Japan and how many simply don't give a shit

It'll all be fine

how much of this would be de-escalated if japanese govt issued thorough acknowledgements and apologies for nanking & other atrocities

It's an anger that's been long simmering. You'd have your doubters of course

Over time it'd probably do good but I doubt how immediate the effects would be

China's been fomenting the hate on their side as well - would also require the CCP to tone down its efforts to stoke up nationalistic fervor against Japan

Query how likely that is

Query whether China wants to get South Korea mad also as they appear to have done

Query how likely that is

^^what law school does to u

You've found me out

I have nowhere to hide

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/us-newyorktimes-thompson-idUSBRE9AQ00720131127

NYT may end cn.nytimes.com

A pity

ugh i hate mark thompson's glib fuckboy apparatchik face

lol at america, collectively, for providing him refuge and lucrative employment

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1367110/hostile-aircraft-could-be-shot-down-air-defence-zone-pla-general

This gives China a 'way out' - they'll just claim any aircraft they don't challenge was not acting 'hostile'

But it's generally a boneheaded move by China in general, esp w/r/t antagonizing South Korea

Reading that ADIZ's are not governed by any sort of international standards and are unilaterally set by countries

Japan's was sketched in 1969

Willing to bet that at least part of the reason China is doing this is because they're playing a game of Mr. Me Too

Terrible timing though, or at the very least befuddling - really can't think of any strategic advantage that China gains at this point, other than being able to point at it 10, 15 years down the line and saying that it's become legitimate through time

Last post on the subject I promise but this is being an intersection of Fallows' two most favorite topics, flying and China, I defer to his authority

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/11/how-to-think-about-the-chinese-air-defense-news/281871/

And Fallows big ups this dude here

http://www.andrewerickson.com/2013/11/whats-wrong-with-chinas-air-defence-identification-zone-and-whats-not/

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/11/25/watch-this-space-chinas-new-air-defense-zone/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/japan-south-korea-fly-military-planes-in-zone-set-by-china.html?hp&_r=0

Can anyone recommend good books dealing with China's economic transition from the death of Mao roughly to the present?

http://i.imgur.com/WLTyrAj.jpg

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378201/anti-firewall-tool-lantern-infiltrated-chinese-censors

I had been counting on using Lantern when I go to SH :\

freegate, bankrolled by falun gong and their new tang dynasty media empire,,, is still free and and still works. cheap shortterm alternative to a vpn.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/dec/10/china-five-pounds-facts/

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378897/chinese-shop-owners-argentina-arm-themselves-guns-amid-violent

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/a-chinese-coal-baron-tumbles-into-debt/

I remember this wedding. Now the guy's company is bankrupt

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/max-baucus-ambassador-china-101300.html

Lol who the hell is Max Baucus

Happy birthday old Mao

Hey Dayo where is your chinese food thread and where should we go tonight for Christmas chinese food in Flushing (or did you tell me you don't really know Flushing spots too well?)

Fu run and get the Islamic lambchop + cumin lamb + pinecone fish

Probably the jew\chinese thread would be best for today haha

The food thread is called mott street and it's on 7 7

Might be translated as squirrel fish idk

It's a sweet and sour dish

Fu run and get the Islamic lambchop + cumin lamb + pinecone fish

― 乒乓, Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, I didn't see this but that's exactly where I went, and we did order the islamic lambchop but not the other two things. We will definitely be going back. We also had some pork/leek DUMPLINGS!, a cucumber seaweed egg drop soup, and a watercress with shrimp paste. Everything was really good. The watercress was kind of the least good because it was so heavily flavored you couldn't really taste the watercress, which already has a lot of flavor normally.

It seems like the thing everyone orders there now are these giant bone-in meat hunks (maybe pork ribs?) that you eat with a plastic glove.

sorry, that "DUMPLINGS!" was not supposed to be all caps with an exclamation point

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