Only God Forgives (2013) Nicolas Winding Refn, Ryan Gosling, Kristin Scott Thomas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAeVosG4zI

doesn't really look like much of a departure for Refn...

NWR's Enter the Void to Drive's Irreversible.

hummuna hummuna hummuna

NWR's Lost in Translation to Drive's Somewhere.

Pretty NWR Enter The Void was Valhalla Rising.

Pretty sure rather.

Valhalla Rising is NWR's most underrated film.

Valhalla Rising : Only God Forgives :: Punch Drunk Love : The Master

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Agreed; it kinda gets lost in the shuffle, but its a good one.

PUSHER Trilogy still beats all for me.

Wild at Heart to Blue Velvet.

so Albert Brooks' fork will be played by chopsticks in this one.

Never need to see another thing this guy does.

if you mean albert brooks then i agree

was thinking of the sleek freeze-dried foreign sadist

I actually couldn't sit through the gore in Valhalla Rising. Maybe I was all just-had-a-baby gone soft, but man.

http://rousedtomediocrity.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/04/Only-God-Forgives1.jpg

speaking of voids, we enter them

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/onlygodforgivessm_zps2cca0cd5.jpg

Funny Games + The Hangover Part II

Cannes: 'Only God Forgives' Director Nicolas Winding Refn on Making 'Films Like a Pornographer' (Q&A)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cannes-god-forgives-director-nicolas-523970

his story about how The Dying Of The Light (written by paul schrader) fell apart is pretty good

"It was a wonderful, wonderful script about a C.I.A. agent who goes on an existentialistic journey and dies at the end. And I thought, 'If I could do a movie where Harrison Ford dies, I would contribute to society.' So I was really into making this film. And I had gone to Los Angeles for short periods at a time to work with him. And you know, because it's Harrison Ford and you sit around in his big hangar with all his private planes and you hang out with Harrison Ford. Then he realizes that he doesn't want to die. Then it's like, 'Fucking hell. Okay, then there's no movie, Harrison.' Well he'd been thinking about it and 'Wasn't there another way?' and back and forth. And I thought, 'Oh God dammit.' So I was so angry at myself for buying into the illusion of Hollywood and of course, nothing ever happens."

more violent pretentious wankery, plz

...he said with bated breath

reeeeal human beeeeing

well u guys shd love it

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/film/cannes-2013-only-god-forgives-and-the-bastards

I'll love it, but it should be noted that reviews have been disastrous across the Croisette. (The one follows the other, actually.)

http://tribecafilm.com/features/ryan-gosling-roles-ranked-by-smug-self-satisfaction

Capper of Holden's NYT review of OGF: "Three words should suffice: pretentious macho nonsense."

3. Drive: Everything about Nicolas Winding Refn's film is designed to make Gosling's "Driver" seem like the coolest creation in the entire universe. He barely talks. He doesn't have a name. He intuits bad guys in elevators and stomps their faces while lit in moody crimson tones. He's nice to children. In his early interactions with the criminals he drives for, he has very specific instructions for how they're going to pull it off. Because he knows everything, and as long as everybody does things his way, the job will go perfectly.

This kind of sums up why I didn't like Drive as much as I thought I would.

Well, spoiler, but then you'll love Only God Forgives. Or at least parts of it.

It's beautiful, reasonably effective hogwash.

you've seen it gukbe? read some cannes reports (prob in S&S) that wrote this one off as a misogynistic disaster

This is now available through video on demand services. Don't think I'll bother until it's free.

A lot of harsh words, and I can see why. I don't totally disagree with them either. Kind of misogynist, yeah. Doesn't go in for the type of revenge film it looks to be though, which is a plus. The score is incredible.

How's the soundtrack this time out?

Interivew with both Zimmer and Refn by John Hughes' son:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/07/only_god_forgives_director_nicolas_winding_refn_discusses_his_favorite_music.html

looking forward to a night of pretentious macho nonsense

one of the things i dug about drive is that gosling's driver only initially seems like a stereotypical action movie tough guy. as the film progresses, he comes to seem increasingly creepy, even inhuman. he's clearly the hero, but in that, he's as much travis bickle as james bond.

i watched this, its like nearly oppressively dour/humorless. right, transcending revenge or w/e ~ehhh. lotta cool hallways & wallpaper tho

edelstein's review: I thought it was just about the worst fucking thing I’ve ever seen.

lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/only-god-forgives-reviews_n_3624095.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

1. "Movies really don’t get much worse than Nicholas Winding Refn's 'Only God Forgives.' It's a shit macho fantasy -- hyperviolent, ethically repulsive, sad, nonsensical, deathly dull, snail-paced, idiotic, possibly woman-hating, visually suffocating, pretentious. I realize I sound like Rex Reed on one of his rants, but trust me, please -- this is a defecation by an over-praised, over-indulged director who thinks anything he craps out is worthy of your time. I felt violated, shat upon, sedated, narcotized, appalled and bored stiff. [...] I was repelled by this film in ways I didn't know I could be repelled before I saw it." -- Jeffrey Wells, Hollywood Elsewhere

2. "The truth is this unwatchable atrocity can't be saved from itself." -- Joe Neumaier, New York Daily News

3. "The new Ryan Gosling movie has to be a comedy, I think. The only alternative to laughing at it is napping through it." -- Kurt Loder, Reason.com

4. "The wallpaper emotes more than Ryan Gosling does in 'Only God Forgives.'" -- Peter Debruge, Variety

5. "The innovation of Refn's latest is mostly just in the way it manages to merge gory and boring. At least it's created a new movie adjective for me: goring." -- Sara Stewart, New York Post

6. "'Only God Forgives' is the kind of remarkable disaster only a very talented director can make after he finds success and is then allowed to do whatever he wants." -- Ty Burr, Boston Globe

7. "This is the worst, least, dumbest picture made by people of talent this year." -- Michael Philips, Chicago Tribune

8. "I thought it was just about the worst f--king thing I’ve ever seen. In fact, I was depressed it wasn’t laughed off the screen." -- David Edelstein, New York

9. "Gruesomely grotesque and pathologically pretentious, a diabolical horror called 'Only God Forgives' may not be the worst movie ever made, but it is unquestionably in the top five." -- Rex Reed, New York Observer

lotta cool hallways & wallpaper tho

Sold!

I thought Drive was strict by the numbers crap, some of the worst kind of Tony Scott/De Palma excesses allied to a schmaltzy, cute kid storyline & a bit of fashionable ultra-violence thrown in to give it a "modern feel".

"He barely talks. He doesn't have a name"

Refn should have hooked up with Mads Mikkelsen again, he can work that old trope to perfection without even saying a word.

Get the feeling I will dig Only God Forgives, despite it being shit. Also get the feeling that Refn is in thrall to Gaspar Noe, who is a malign influence on other directors, especially when they attempt to imitate black holes like I Stand Alone or Irreversible. At his best, I think Refn has more in common with John Boorman between his Zardoz/Excalibur period, with the potential to make a Hell in The Pacific/Point Blank if he got his act together and stopped miscasting conveyor belt aryan-nazi-hollywood-athlete-pussy-clarts who are too fucking bland to add some pizazz to his thin veneer of content.

Refn
Gosling

LANCELOT

Those huffpost-reactions are ridiculously over the top. Poll?

4. "The wallpaper emotes more than Ryan Gosling does in 'Only God Forgives.'" -- Peter Debruge, Variety

haha yes

i hope michael phillips didn't just leave a word out and really means that almost biblical use of "least"

i keep reading it as "the worst, least dumbest picture" tho

it's not as bad as all those but i support the spirit of them if they get refn to not make another 1 or mutiple more exactly like this

Sounds like this in a double feature with Belly would be wallpaper paradise.

Refn will probably make many more exactly like this. His funding doesn't really depend on american reviews. Fun fact: The budget for Only God Forgives was half of what Drive was. So this one is pretty wrong: '6. "'Only God Forgives' is the kind of remarkable disaster only a very talented director can make after he finds success and is then allowed to do whatever he wants." -- Ty Burr, Boston Globe'

maybe he wanted to do something cheap

The result is akin to Gaspar Noé's simultaneously brilliant and moronic Enter The Void or Harmony Korine's candy-coloured Spring Breakers

Spring Breakers was way the hell better than this

watched both with a friend in the same day (OGF and Spring Breakers) and I think that was our conclusion

The movie is very much in the spirit of Jodorowsky's comic book work, super rapey, extreme brutality, psychosexual mythopoetics, etc

liked this more than Drive

this was really dumb. cool soundtrack though

so Albert Brooks' fork will be played by chopsticks in this one.
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 15, 2013 5:40 PM

lol

A total piece of shit, this thing, although I laughed every time Scott Thomas, in the voice of Unicron, "I’ll take care of the yellow n---- that killed my son. Now get up and kiss your mother."

I'm the world's least likely NWR stan (hated the early films, skipped everything until Drive and fell asleep twenty minutes into that) but I absolutely loved this.

this guy was the best thing in it

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/ahdvd/MMS-Only-God-Forgives-Vithaya-Pansringarm_zpsbbb78ced.jpg

I'm the world's least likely NWR stan (hated the early films, skipped everything until Drive and fell asleep twenty minutes into that) but I absolutely loved this.

― Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:05 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

haha yeah im not a big fan of his non-pusher work. maybe this is the refn film for people who dont much like refn

Loved the villain, the minimalist storytelling, and the goddamn wallpaper.

i did not watch this in ideal circumstances, but i found myself a little (too) bored watching it. kubrickian deliberateness and bressonian blank-faced acting are a deadly mix, i think.

i didnt really understand why this was rejected so violently, its the autistic hyperviolent dayglo nightmare hes been building towards for a while now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQq4QoQFWBw

^can't wait to see this guy's Only God Forgives fan film

I loved Drive. This was worthless.

did the people who hated this hate valhalla rising? i dont think they're worlds apart

Valhalla Rising didn't embarrass its lead actress with dialogue so horrendous that I actually felt sorry for her. Of course, I don't even remember it having any women in it.

valhalla rising was awesome, this was kind of a diff thing

So this movie must've broke Kristin Scott Thomas; quitting films.

"She is tired, too, of being cast in films that need her more than she needs them. 'I'm often asked to do something because I'm going to be a sort of weight to their otherwise flimsy production. They need me for production purposes, basically. So they give me a little role in something where they know I'm going to be able to turn up, know what to do, cry in the right place. I shouldn't bite the hand that feeds, but I keep doing these things for other people, and last year I just decided life's too short. I don't want to do it any more.'"

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jan/31/kristin-scott-thomas-interview

I would have quit before having the recite dialogue comparing the size of my sons' cocks.

I didn't realize the actress was Kristin Scott Thomas until I clicked on this thread. I sort of enjoyed this movie, it wasn't as good as drive, but I loved the cop and Kristin Scott Thomas. It seemed like she really stepped out of her usual skin for this role.

I mean, what other 2013 film even came close in terms of wallpaper?

This movie is amazing and you are all crazy

It's also so much better than drive that I can't even figure out where to start the comparison

hey, i dug it okay, and it's stayed with me more than most of what i watch. saying it isn't quite as good as bad guy or i saw the devil hardly qualifies as a slam. not going for "amazing", but i am looking forward to watching it again at some point.

ha well given our shared sensibilities i wasnt talking about your comments, but blanket statements are so much more fun

I like the Pusher trilogy (particularly the 2nd + 3rd) and Valhalla Rising movies by NWR. Drive and Only God Forgives are merely shitty Tony Scott/Gaspar Noe pastiches imo.

This movie had one hilarious scene.

What hilarious scene?

Watched this. Quite disappointed but I find it odd that people felt such passionate extremes for it (but I've been confused a lot lately by extreme reactions to films, I'm still coming to terms with the idea of some people really loving Iron Man, Pirates Of The Caribbean, Stakeland, American Graphiti 2:Dazed & Confused and Poltergeist).

Not nearly as violent as I expected. Not much incest either. Some nice images and sounds. I liked the scene of the boy watching the man being killed. Just too slow and not enough good stuff.

Drive was a nice snack, Bronson was fine but Valhalla Rising is better than any of the former by a long distance, really lovely film. I'm curious about the earlier films like Pusher trio, Bleeder and Fear X (opinions about those?) and I really want Refn to be great in the future.

I was very fond of Kim King Duk for a while but after seeing 8 of his films I felt like I wasn't going to get anything more out of further films. But I am really impressed by how quiet and slow he makes his films without ever getting boring. He always gets the right balance.

I Saw The Devil is pretty decent but I don't think the ordeal is really worth it for any element.

I still think Only God Forgives is better than Spring Breakers which is quite pretty at times but too boring. But it felt unpleasantly mean spirited to me, as if the whole film was just mocking these shallow boring people. One big feature length sneer.

I haven't seen a single positive review of Fear X but I'm still quite curious about it- John Turturro, surveillance thriller (yes more of these please), accusations from multiple critics of being a Lynch ripoff (yes also more of these too).

I liked Only God Forgives despite the sheer dumbness of the psychology and moralizing just for the visuals: this is a really fucking pretty movie, you guys. And Kristin Scott Thomas, and the scene set to "Wanna Fight" (the track in 4/6 with the ludicrous gothic pipe organ and synth lines running up and down the scale) that just builds and builds for ages until Vithaya Pansringarm just casually beats the shit out of a character whose only defined trait is "boxing". I mean, it's not great, but I don't regret it (and I definitely don't regret picking up the soundtrack either).

fear x is really good

been periodically ~thinking abt~ fear x since seeing it, stumbled upon this -http://www.offscreen.com/index.php/pages/essays/fear_x/

― johnny crunch, Monday, November 18, 2013 5:16 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pusher 2 + 3 are elevated above average genre pics by brilliant central performances from Mikkelsen and Burik, but I suppose tbh they are just above average genre pics but there is nothing wrong with that. Mikkelsen brings a lot of pathos to the heroically stupid Tonny character. Will have to give Fear X a dabble, I let the bad reviews dissuade me.

the refn doc 'my life' is p good, interesting that just days before shooting started for OGF he sez 'I don't even know what this movie's about' & he reads one of those super negative reviews upthread on camera

also further confirms gosling as an all-time bro

oh man I couldn't stand that piece of shit

xp should say "& LATER he reads.." the neg review, yknow after hes made the fim

film!

I love the fact that there has been made three docs on Refn. I think at least one of them was made due to money problem. The guy can be so good, but when he fails, he fails hard.

I might have said this before, but the best 'doc' on Refn was this long interview he did over several nights on a weird Danish late night show some time ago. It was before Drive, before Bronson, I think, at a time where his carreer was going nowhere, and the whole interview was the host asking him to explain, in detail, how he ended up as such a failure. I remember Nicolas ended up breaking down in tears, which made the host smile gloatingly as if that was the entire point. Now, it was probably staged, but it's absolutely incredible. And I can't find it. And it needs to end up as a dvd-extra on something.

refn seems to be kind of positioning himself as a von trier-like "personality" as much as a film director, or at least that's how it appears from over here

I wish the last doc had shown how his wife despises his films; it looked like it was going to!

She's been in a couple of them, so I guess she likes those?

maybe she just likes hanging out w/ her husband.

Reminds me of Gilliam laughing as he tells us how his wife thinks his films have went to shit.

terry gilliam's wife OTM

Knew that was coming but apart from Brothers Grimm and bits of Parnassus, I disagree.

Cut-and-paste reviews of this one and you have the reviews of the new one.

Refn's gonna Refn.

The new bad movie deserves its own thread.

The reviews I've seen have been more positive than ones for OGF, but I'm not ready to trust him again.

If there is god, he would not forgive Only God Forgives. Utter trash

If there is god, he would not forgive Only God Forgives. Utter trash

Fuck sorry for double post. Should've said he/she (recovering christian)