two women renew Bill Cosby sexual abuse allegations in Newsweek interviews

On the one hand, he's an unrepentant serial rapist with dozens of accusers. On the other, he used to give Rudy zerberts and hide enormous sandwiches from Claire and it was all very heartwarming and hilarious. Who could possibly be expected to separate fiction from reality and do the right thing? Who?

fuck you for this

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Unless something unforeseen came to light over the course of the trial, I have to assume that attitude is playing some role in the hung jury, although I don't understand it. I loved his work as much as anybody, but the idea that the lingering memory of his public persona might be enough to exonerate him is baffling to me.

fuck you for reducing the pain and trauma of more than 20 women into a sarcastic quip

fuck you for reducing the cultural impact of The Cosby Show and its breakthrough representation of the black middle class to "he used to give Rudy zerbets and hide enormous sandwiches from Claire"

just shut the fuck up

the fact that you can't even see why someone would be telling you to shut the fuck up is the surest sign possible that you really need to shut the fuck up right now

Was not expecting that when I clicked on this. OL, that was not well thought out. Dan, calm down, it's Old Lunch.

Apologies all around. Dan's concerns mirror my own, the whole situation has been disturbing and disgusting from the start, and I was misguided in flippantly expressing my disgust towards a hung jury. I am sorry.

fuck you for reducing the cultural impact of The Cosby Show and its breakthrough representation of the black middle class to "he used to give Rudy zerbets and hide enormous sandwiches from Claire"

this is a stupid fucking hill to die on.

I can't say I'm completely surprised at this result--since I live in the trial area and there are still vocal Cosby defenders around here, including some of my co-workers

there is plenty of "fuck you" to go around, evol j

kiss my entire black ass

Lunch, I'm no lawyer, but I would honestly like to hope that 12 jurors taxed with deliberating whether someone commited a single crime after days of evidence and arguments aren't sitting around litigating Cosby Show episodes

there's probably one juror who's all "hey, remember that one with Stevie Wonder..." while everyone else rolls their eyes and says stfu

(speaking mostly from my experience on juries tbh)

Yeah it's always one asshole

http://www.gablescinema.com/media/filmassets/slides/12_angry_men_5.png

"It was like... 'Jammin on the one. Jammin on the one'"

to be fair most of the people defending him and calling the women liars are the "Bill Cosby would never do that" crowd, wouldn't be surprising if there was one such guy person the jury

Usually they ask you pretty much point-black if you have a bias

point-blank, lol

those questions generally seem to get answered according to how much the person does/does not want to serve on the jury

Mistrial.

our legal system is broken

it's mostly that jurors don't know wtf "reasonable doubt" is anymore thanks to CSI effect and other bullshit phenomena.

A jury has found Bill Cosby guilty of drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constand in his suburban Pennsylvania home in 2004. The jury handed down the guilty verdict on all three counts of indecent aggravated assault after more than 12 hours of deliberation, following a retrial that lasted more than two weeks.

Cosby’s conviction concludes an acrimonious case that played out in the courtroom and in the press. In 2014 and 2015, dozens of women came forward with allegations that the comedian had drugged and sexually abused them. The statute of limitations had long since expired in almost all of those cases.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/26/17272470/bill-cosby-trial-verdict-guilty-sexual-assault-andrea-constand

pretty obviously the correct verdict, but nothing about the situation prompts me to feel like cheering. sad, yes. heartened, no.

a lot better than the alternative

i'm heartened in the sense that people who think they can get away with this shit because of their cultural status should feel a little less secure. I hope it's not a blip but more of a trend going forward.

part of the whole Weinstein/Ratner/Spacey/etc trend, and so on.

BILL COSBY GUILTY!!!!

Bye bye, fucker

nothing about the situation prompts me to feel like cheering. sad, yes. heartened, no.

this?

Incredible scenes as women run weeping from the courtroom immediately after Cosby is found GUITLY, and tearfully embrace one another. pic.twitter.com/5GWThXycx9

— David Mack (@davidmackau) April 26, 2018

guit.ly

i feel pretty heartened by this

Bill Cosby's publicist seems to be saying here that Cosby will die and then be resurrected and go on to become the basis for a worldwide religion pic.twitter.com/5kLAaszFMu

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) September 25, 2018

Well shit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/television/bill-cosby-release-conviction.html

sounds like the prosecution really fucked up this one

Yeah this thread spells it out on that front:

This is the key finding of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania that explains its reversal of the Cosby decision: the prior DA promised non-prosecution to force Cosby to waive his Fifth Amendment privilege and testify in a civil case, he did, then they prosecuted him with it. pic.twitter.com/TUT17IMOAr

— SuspendedHat (@Popehat) June 30, 2021

The decision never says Cosby isn't guilty of what he did.

Yeah. And it's hard to know if they could have gotten a conviction without the incriminating statements in the depositions, which he only gave because of the prior prosecutor's assurances. It's a legal mess.

that seems like.... unfortunately....the correct ruling

Right ruling but fuck, the damage this is going to do to the poor victims.

Hopefully they still feel the validation of the conviction, even if the fucker's out of jail.

American institutions approaching soviet levels of incompetence

The original guilty verdict was correct. This decision doesn’t dispute that.

Well, yeah. But that doesn't mean this still isn't going to be spun as a "victory" for Cosby. I mean, see Phylicia Rashad's tweet already.

It doesn’t mean the courts are incompetent. There was an error made by the original prosecutor (castor) in granting immunity, and that opened the door to this successful appeal. In the soviet union, the legal system was not characterized by an excess of due process considerations. Quite the reverse.

I imagine Rashad’s tweet is self serving. Her legacy is tied to his.

Monique Judge had a few things to say about that tweet

So in this instance, kids, your favorite TV mom is loud and wrong. There was no miscarriage of justice, and Cosby is being released on a technicality. I will explain it all in this thread. https://t.co/K9HtjpLC1Y

— Titty Roux (@thejournalista) June 30, 2021

Could the court try him again, but not use any of Cosby's statements as evidence? This would be similar to what would have happened had they never given him the deal for the civil case, wouldn't it?

I think that would be double jeopardy

it can't, the issue wasn't the use of his statements as evidence but the original promise not to prosecute him which he relied on by testifying in the civil case

not a double jeopardy issue at all. treeship is now disbarred.

Can i still practice board lawyering?

no you are disbarred