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I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread. But if anybody cares one way or the other anymore, I will say that this week I decided I like the most recent CDs by Hacienda Brothers, Jazzabillies, Angel Rattay, and George Thorogood.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, the Road Hammers, Nancy McCallion, and Grupo Exterminador, too.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(Anthony, have you read Annie Proulx' short story [movie-basis]of "Brokeback Mountain"? Think she wrote some lyrics for the soundtrack too)xxhuxx:Talking to a wall? Seems like you've gotten as many responses as anybody, more than most (as we all tend to talk pst each other),and your CDbaby picks that I've heard (like Black Sage) are great, thanks.(Very refreshing, especially in this year's even-slower-than-usual "major" label release pro-cess.)Josh's astute Shooter view in today's Voice was a good reminder for me to post the remix of my Charloaf feature(Josh, SJ took the clone-cover of "Living Proof" off at the last second, and the actual release substitutes a boring Waylon tribute, "It Ain't Easy," but I'm sure the original promo's [& uploads of that track]around for those who must have it)http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

wait--Nancy McCallion, of the (gasp)Mollys has a new album out--I'll def check that, thanks! (Her first solo was a simplification of the Mollys' approach, but still good)(Roy, got the CD, thanks too--not much time for discretionary listening at the moment, but I'll get'r d.)

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

don: part of the story, though not mentioned, was really about annie prolux, i read the story first in the new yorker, then bought both wisconsin collections, and then waited for the movie...she as a ss writer is one of my heros

the road hammers are headed by jason mccoy, who i have been talking about forever, there was a fascinating reality television seires putting together the band, lots of juicy bullshit about the nashville scene, hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, and he hasnt broken thru from canada yet. i have seen him maybe 4 times, and hes a solid guy too, never interviewed him, though i guess i should for somewhere because of what he thinks about the industry is as impt as his work,i can video tape and send the reality show, if you want chuck. (hes acutally all over cmt, he has had several making the video specials, an hour at christmas this year, a support the troops thing, and his videos are consisently in the top ten, hes toby keith big up north, though he won the CMA Global Country Award this year)

Jason is such an amazing muscian, with a voice like a bullet thru glass, and i am sort of disappointed by the road hammers because it doesnt flatter him, its a bit too much of a cliche, and his love of the good lord means that he holds back a bit when he shouldnt. (there is a scene when they are in the studio, when he is singing about white pills and red wine or something like that, and he felt really bad about that, because he didnt want to be a bad example)

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

anyways road hammers, good, jason mccoy, best thing out of country music in the last half decade


anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 12 May 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, interesting, anthony! was the wine and pills song little feat's "willin'" (which is covered on this road hammers album)? and in what way do you think the road hammers are a cliche'? (given his voice, i'm guessing his solo stuff is somewhere in the dwight yoakam realm, maybe? but i bet i'd prefer him with a band, regardless.)

don, the nancy mccallion CD i got is self-titled, so it may not be as knew as i thought it was (though i could've sworn it's listed as 2005 on cdbaby, though artists cheat on years there all the time, i've noticed.) also, some copyrights on it date back to '98 and even '84. best tracks on it, seems to me so far, are 'the leaving kind,' 'reckless child,' 'misery,' and especially 'moon over the interstate' and especially especially 'money's moving up' (about how the trickle-down theory's a lie), and they do indeed sound fairly molly-esque to me, more than some of the more staid other tracks.

as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shooter Jennings album didn't work for me. I listened to it once and was never pulled back. I actually wound up listening to the Rhino Bucket CD more the same night. And RB are a fairly straight AC/DC rip but that was better than the unremarkable hard rock parts on Shooter's record. I wasn't hearing hooks, if there were any, and about half the numbers on the debut were better than all the numbers on the new one. What's that make it, a heavy Pure Prairie League record? Or Poco 'round Good Feelin' To Know without Timothy B. Schmidt and slightly less hard guitars? None of those ideas work.
A bad Outlaws record (not that hard to do, there were more than a couple of them)?

It just flopped around like a fish on a table and after awhile I got sick of listening to it. A shame because I liked the first record and didn't expect such a mediocre second one.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

can we talk about the naked picture of keith burns in this weeks

hes not like dwight at all, hes more tender and almost milksop in a way, he emotes more then dwight ever did.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

in country weekly, this week...

jason mccoy isnt milksop, wrong word...he emotes, with a depth and an almost tender meloncholy, a sort of melodrama, but not femminine at all, butch!

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread.

Don't give up on it, xhuxk. I've been neglecting it just cause I've been freakin swamped and I expect the same is true for others and I've been mostly listening to Go-Betweens albums lately. I think they may be the least country band to ever build music around acoustic guitars. P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

and where do i start with the go betweens

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(I didn't like Electric Rodeo the first time either, but grew on me quite a bit, especially via headphones.)Wow, that was good, Anthony; def No Dep's loss.Is there a CMT Canada? I've watched thisun way too much, and never seen Jason. Sort of like Blair Larsen? I'll look him up.Xhuxx, the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)Maybe she added some new songs or something.Speaking of Cdbaby, I think they also have her reunion with Catherine Zavala, billed as the Zacallion Twins. Catherine was the Molly who sounded like Marianne Faithful with tequila and Vitamin Amp in her Geritol. I gotta get that. I mentioned Uncle Earl before, the female string band. Just heard part of a live set (on Woodsongs, xpost Public Radio show)by one of the Earls, Abigail Washburn. The first, "Eve Stole An Apple From The Tree" ("Good, she's like me") would fit with Anthony's description of the Brokeback soundtrack, but her voice sounded thin. But she also sang a pre-bluegrass mountain ballad (actually an original, I think) with Chinese lyrics, translated as "The Lost Land," and her voice was so strong and sad and beautiful, almost wild, but goin' around the mountain one more time; gravity won't fail her.I've heard Chinese mountain music somewhat like that, but instrumental.(Haven't heard any Chinese singing I liked, except pop and rock.) I think the tonality of the words and the melody changed each other. Checked the album on Amazon: The Traveling Daughter (from a Chinese song, "The Traveling Son," but only a couple are in Chinese, according to Amazon, anyway). She's also got one of the Duhks on guitar, a Collective Soul on percussion, one of her sister Earls on banjo, also Bela Fleck on National [pre-pedal, right?]steel and banjo, but overall sound said to be "spare." She says that it's easier to fit Chinese words to songs than English, because "Chinese words are all one or two syllables, usually ending with open vowels." On the show, she played her old-time open-back banjo, and the cellist (also on the album) was her only other player. On "Lost Land," the cello sounded like a harmonium for a long time, but fit the banjo like the Chinese words fit the melody.

don, Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

>the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)<

Yep, that's exactly the one I got, too (including the '04 part).

And Anthony, if Jason McCoy solo is even *remotely* milksoppy, or even tenderly melancholy, I'm almost *positive* I'd prefer his Road Hammers stuff. Which isn't to say I wouldn't check him out solo.

I still totally love the cocaine and hangover songs on that Shooter album, and am stumped about why George or anybody else would think the latter, at least, doesn't have a masterful kick to it. If Poco or Pure Prairie ever rocked that hard, they hid ir from me.) (Didn't notice he'd switched the cover at the end; that stinks, both because his "Living Proof" sounded good last time I listened to it and because I sent my advance to either Frank or George or both, without closely checking the tracklist apparently, when my real one arrived.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i understant that chuck, i think that in my critical capacity the sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, and also the watered down, sort of simulacra of rocking, is less real for mccoy then it is for any on that 4 cd trucking song box set that came on a few years ago--and i hate myself for saying that, oddly, cause we are supposed to be above all that, but i dont think he immerses himself fully into the material, and thats frustrating....

(though his last solo album, shes not missing missing me at all rocks the hell out of a broken heart)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony: I think there are two decent Go-Betweens anthologies, but I'm not sure if they're still in print. The individual albums have been reissued recently with bonus tracks, and I would get Tallulah and Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express first. I'm also very partial to Spring Hill Fair and Friends of Rachel Worth, but mostly for inscrutably personal reasons.
P.s. Don't let ND's rejection of that submission turn you off from them. I think everybody on this thread should pitch the editors, and hard, as the magazine would benefit from your voices.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hope this isn't in poor taste given this week's tragic events, but the only Go-Betweens album I've ever been able to make it through awake and attentive is *Bellavista Terrace: The Best of the Go-Betweens* (Beggars Banquet, 1999), so maybe that's where to start.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(and duh, Don, Nancy McCallion is clearly much better with a band, too. I absent-mindedly hadn't even noticed/remembered that "Moon Over the Interstate" was actually the *title track* of one of the two Mollys CDs on my self, so clearly she re-recorded it. Solo version is maybe my fourth favorite track on her solo album, which, in general, is lacking in Polka/Czech-Mex-type dance rhythms. Still good, though. I prefer Nancy in Fairport Convention/"Jolene"/"House Carpenter" mode ['Reckless Child'] to rockabilly mode ['Elvis Again' -- sounds like she's had to deal with lotsa Elvises in her life!, "Misery"], and in both of those modes to draggy singer-songwrirter alt-country zzzzzzz mode. But then I would, wouldn't I?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

im not depressed at all, he was incredibly generous about my writing, and it really was a timing issue, i have two major writing projects this month, so im sort of blank on pitchs

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

>hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, <
>sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, <

I dunno, if it was such a commercial-careerism move (not that it'd necessarily be a bad thing if it was) wouldn't it consist of something other than country-rock trucker songs (hardly the most commercial subgenre out there)? How many trucker songs actually become c&w hits these days? or maybe they do in canada??) anyway, the more i listen, it's clear his "emotive" slow ones are the dullest songs on here (and so far the little feat and jerry reed covers seem the *least* dull -- though i like plenty of the truckin' originals too.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

in the sense of big and rich, jason aldean, gretchen wilson, and other country rock stuff--that and on the show, he got money from places like Western Star,

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 14 May 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the conventional singer-songwriter mopey mode is something new for Nancy, alas. She got back on the bus pretty soon after having her kid, but too soon for that, probably (True, wee Shooter had his crib on his parents' bus, but I'm not even sure, from Dan's old tour diary,whether the Mollys ever had an actual bus; mebbe a van? Much less one as well-appointed as the Outlaw coach) Was hoping she'd move to Trashville or El Lay and get some songs covered by the Chicks or Dolly etc, but she and her hubby, the last Mollys guitarist, Danny Krieger (who also wrote a song or two on her s/t), are still in Tucson, far as I know. She does play with a little trad country bar band sometimes, and the Mollys got back together this past St. Patricks Day. (The Zacallion Twins was a one-off as well.) You might not have the final version of the promo; the only way I got one was to ask, even though the pub knew I was writing a bigass feature (even bigerassed on thefreelancementalists, but better too). And the only way I knew to ask was Shooter's bass player mentioned it,as an afterthought. I asked him who played what on what,and he said he and Shooter each played about half the keybs (which I really like). Then, in a followup email, he said he played the horns on the end of "Living Proof," when they added Waylon's instrumental theme (to Hank Jr.'s song about his own paw, duh-huh). And then in a third email, come to think of it, that song's not on there no more.

don, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony I'm fairly positive that if there's a milksoppy or melancholy side to Jason McCoy, that's the bit I'll respond to the most. Given that, any recommendations where to start?

(As for the Go-Betweens, I think "Bellavista Terrace" probably is the place to start because it's an overview and that's the grown-up way, but I love "Spring Hill Fair" best of all, and I can't help thinking you're going to go mad for "Bachelor Kisses", and maybe "Part Company" (my favourite of all), so I'm half tempted to recomend you start there.)

Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

he has a best of cd out right now, and honky tonk angels, the cd is ecellent as is fears lies and angels (i need to check that title)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

darrell scott *the invisible man* in the mail yesterday, colorless singer-songwriter folk by a scruffly and apparently well-meaning old coot; didn't get through much of it, and it wouldn't even be worth mentioning except that it's got his version of "goodle, u.s.a.," which faith hill covered last year as "we've got nothing but love to prove," except it turns out she changed his line about "no more paint-by-numbers Jesus" to "no more paint-by-number hatred," and forgot to sing his line about "It's like Joe McCarthy was our acting president." She sings it (or pro-Tools it, who cares) better, though.

meanwhile i think i'm starting to come to turns with ashley monroe, a little. "he ain't coming back," her album's closer, is a breakfast breakup song (since she pours a cup of coffee in it) that seems to take its chorus's melody from one of my all-time breakfast breakup songs, "superwoman" by karyn white, but the breakfast breakup song it's paired with (since this one precedes it), "hank's cadillac," sounds like a teacher's pet is singing -- okay, maybe it's not a breakfast breakup song; wasn't paying attention to the (teacher's pet) title when i was listening to it, just to "if i'd kept the coffee strong," and regrets about all the other stuff she could've done different and he (hank?)'d still be around; the words are fine but the music's a bore. The two rockers, I guess (are there more?) are "can't let go" (another hard-to-let-go codependency-maybe song, same title mariah carey used once) and "pain pain" (which has the eddie rabbit love-me-in-the-rearview rap section and double entrende's about coming again). "that's why we call earch other baby" is the gender-quarrel duet, semi-rockabilly and not bad; who's the guy? (sounds like dwight yoakam, but maybe -- see my jason mccoy notes above -- everybody sounds like dwight to me this week). and then there's "satisfied," which feels dead in the water, and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

*born and raised* by self-released monroeville, PA six-piece cdbabies North of the Mason-Dixon (aka NOMAD) is interesting in a post-hair-metal world in that it includes (1) a cover of REO Speedwagon's "take it on the run" which sounds like the eagles, (2) a decent rocker called "farmer's daughter" that starts off seemingly swiping chordage from nazareth's "hair of the dog" even though NOMAD's idea of rocking is about one-twentieth what nazareth's idea of rocking was; (3) a track that sounds like billy ray cyrus doing a summer song halfway between bryan adams and kenny chesney; (4) a blatant bon jovi ballad imitation i don't like much called "i'm not your man; and (5) a decently drummed and horned rocker called "alone when you're lonely" that seems to employ cowbells. i also like the slightly latin bluegrassish lilt of "dyin' to live" and the hoedown jamming in "watch the girls." the "amazing grace" cover is okay, and the rest is no worse than lone star or rascal flatts. (in fact, i'd take the album anyday over the new rascal flatts CD, which i wound up liking two or three tracks on okay, but it still mainly stinks.)

road warriors song annoying me the most so far: "heart with four wheel drive". road warriors song reminding me most of big'n'rich so far: "i'm a road warrior," where they brag about their "pimped ride."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

I think that's the Kasey Chambers connection I noted earlier. I like Kasey, but that's one of her most pusillanimous tunes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally got the Irma Thomas record xhuxk mentioned up-thread: it's stunning, spare when it should be, fulsome and funky and never strained. I love the sense of space. Even quaint doo-woppish r&b numbers like "I Count the Tears" have more to say that you'd guess. Her voice must be the most undiminished of all the great '60s soul women. That wonderful song "Flowers" was written by Kevin Gordon, an East Nashville hard luck songwriter/rocker. Did anyone else hear his album from last year, O Come Look at the Burning? His version of "Flowers" is on there. The album deserved more attention than it got.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually think "I Count the Tears" might be my favorite track on the Irma record -- and to me, it's just too sweet to sound quaint!

Now, rethinking the Road Hammers: I'm starting to the get an idea of what Anthony means about Jason McCoy's heart not being in the more rowdy trucker stuff. Outside of the two covers, which are real good but mostly because they're just plain great songs, the only song he really completely puts over, to my ears, is "Girl on the Billboard," which has a cool sort of modal/circular/fugue-ish verse structure and also must be the song I was referring to when I said he sounded like Dwight Yoakam, because it's the only one where he does. The one and only ballad, "Call it a Day," *does* seem somehow more heartfeltedly sung than the faster stuff, and it's not as dull as I implied upthread; the guy does lonesome weariness pretty well, I guess. But I also wouldn't say it's any *less* generic than the speedier tunes; just generic in a less energetic way. I like "I'm a Road Hammer" pretty well, but the five-minute "reprise" version of it at the end (with its jew's harp type break and remixed stretching-out effects) is more B'n'R than the regular version at the beginning, and though Jason also says "chillin' the most" in it, it's really not all *that* B''n'R; actually, toward the start of it, his voice reminds me a little of John Anderson for a line or two. "Nashville Bound" (as in "hellbent and Nashville bound") irritated me at first since its title seemed gratuitious in two different ways after they'd already done "East Bound and Down", but I'm a David Allan Coe and Charlie Daniels fan, so any song where long-haired country guys get in a fight with a redneck is okay by me. "Keep On Truckin'" is not Eddie Kendricks by any means (wow, I just checked Joel Whitburn's book; I had no idea his '73 proto-disco song of that name went #1 pop for two weeks!), but it's kinda funky regardless. And there's lots of little doo-dads, ignition noises and incidental tracks and a track of bloopers called "Flat Tires" (plus the theme song reprise) to make people think this 10-song (eight orignals) album has 14 songs on it, and I appreciate the ripoff shamelessness of that, but then again I didn't have to pay for the thing. Only song I hate is the Country-and-Westerbergish one, "Heart With Four Wheel Drive," which sounds as bland as bland can be.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

...and OOPS, I should of checked the credits before I typed "eight originals". "Girl on the Billboard" has apparently been sung in the past by Dave Dudley, Red Sovine, and others; I just never heard it. So the THREE best songs on the Road Hammers CD are all covers, and "The Hammer Goin' Down" was apparently written by Chris Knight, and "Heart With Four Wheel Drive" is "Paul Thorn/Billy Maddox 1995" (who are they?). So, more likely, just five originals, I guess.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally listened to this here Kasey Jones album of Mickey Newbury songs. Uggh. Useful if only to have all the worst versions of Newbury's songs in one place.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

& i dont mind a good cover album, either (speaking of good cover--god is the new springsteen angry and almost apocolyptic)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck wrote: as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

Roy wrote: P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

I'm back, I'm back. God, my mother's dying of cancer before my (and my sister's) eyes, we got this bad news a couple weeks ago. So I just have been worn out.

Tim Carroll and Elizabeth I've known for maybe 10 years. Great people.

I've been working, as much as I can in between this whole lousy situation--I did a piece on Mark Nevers for the Scene that should run next Wednesday, and he's a fascinating guy. Whatever else you can say about him or Bare or even Lambchop, he gets some cool sounds, and on this new (non-country, actually sorta "Adventure"-era Television/Pavement sounding) Lone Official record he did (they're a Nashville band led by a guy named Matt Button who writes songs about horseracing, feeling lost in the big city, and one kinda great one about bar fights!), Nevers is kinda a poet of the pedal steel or somethin' corny like that. Anyway, I found him real interesting, real cool (into punk rock and Eno and stuff) and he really uses those Music Row miking techniques mixed with his vintage 2-inch tape machines and so forth). I like the way his records sound, even the Candi Staton which I think Chuck mentioned he wasn't impressed by--well, it's probably a bit staid in a way, but it sounds great to me, real good revivalism that isn't stupid.

So far behind--I am also talking to Blaine Larsen sometime next week, so I got to sit down and re-listen to his new one.

I read some of the above posts, and will catch up tomorrow, I promise. I hope everyone here is doing OK--Anthony, Chuck, Roy, Don, everyone.

I did notice some talk about "Girl on the Billboard" above--the great version I know is by Del Reeves. And Chuck, remember the Dean Martin reissue of "Swinging Down Yonder" you were talking about? I saw a great film of him doing "Hominy Grits" from that record, around '52. Awesome.

Finally, it is terrible about Grant from the Go-Betweens. I don't know all their stuff, but I do like a few songs from "Tallulah" which is the most commonly praised one, I think, and from "The Friends of," the one they did in Oregon or wherever. But I never went the way of a lot of people with them, I never quite loved them or anything. They always seemed so serious, and I was always a bit put off by the angst or something. Angst, man, I do not need right now.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

whats the album called, and who is putting it out.
i am really sorry about your mother, ill do the candle and prayer thing at mass next week...i wish i could help more

much love
ase

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to hear from you, edd. Be well.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, all love and support for you and your family in this difficult time.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 20 May 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, sorry to hear about your mother. Best of luck and everything, and I'm always glad to read your posts when you get the chance.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Ashley Monroe alb release delayed 'til September or so.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

hey is that dixie chicks video like very deliberately 'yes yes rub face' evoking oil? it's a gorgeous vid in any case (love sophie vids)(although the standard sophie dramatic flourishes - i swear to god i think they bow maybe - rub me rawer in this one than in 'mr brightside' or whatever).

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, best wishes, Edd. I hope you and your family are holding up and get through this OK; you're in my thoughts.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ive become obsessed lately with the singer songwriter josh ritter, i like how he writes, and i like his voice, though he might be a little too acousticy for the rest of ya'll

(his song girl in the war, is a gender reversal that fascinates, he sings about waiting for his gf, or wife, to come back from being killed...and since i think he is canadian, and we allow women to serve in combat here, and when he sings

And I got a girl in the war, Paul the only thing I know to do
Is turn up the music and pray that she makes it through

it breaks my fucking heart, there have been a lot of protest songs lately, some god awful (bright eyes), and some brilliant (springsteen)
but this is this most personal of an obit ive heard...

i can ysi if anyone wants to hear it

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i might be taking this too literally, and the war might be the realtionship or something like tht, but the more i listen to it, its seems to really be about soilders (he sings lots and lots of songs about how girls dont like him very much which may mean its not about combat, and sometimes he ventures into abstract poetics, so we got to keep yr ears open, and maybe i want this song to be about something that it isnt--he has a voice thats warm, and only slightly atonal, and a little nasal, but more intimate then the others of his genre...so even if its not about war directly, i think the album is on my best of this year so far)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.christiankiefer.com/presidents.htm
also this was amazing, but might be too indie wank for this thread

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, you should read Robert Christgau's College of Joshes roundup from a couple years ago; Ritter's in there:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0335,christgau,46533,22.html

Me, I just played Hank III's cover (on a 2000-copy limited edition picture disc split 45 on oi!-friendly TKO Records) of Antiseen's catchiest song ever "Ruby Get Back to the Hills," and Hank performs the seemingly impossible task of TAKING ALL OF THE TUNE OUT OF AN ANTISEEN TUNE via his usual dried-out riverbank country nostalgia shtick turning into hack dime-a-dozen mosh noise bullshit halfway through, quite an accomplishment (being less melodic than Antiseen, I mean, since Antiseen generally make Motorhead seem like Abba in comparison), but I damned if I'll listen to it again (since he also extracts all the power and humor from the song.) I swear, III annoys me more and more as time goes on. (By the way, are his digs at Kid Rock because Hank Jr has called Kid his "son" or whatever once? That occured to me, and obviously it'd make sense.) Oddly, I actually enjoy the flipside, Antiseen doing "F.T.K." (= "Fuck the Kids," gratitously homophobic but at least thankfully not gratutiously pedophilic, and mostly just gratuitously get-offa-my-lawn-you-idiot-punk-rock-whippersnappers-before-I-get-my-shotgun curmudgeonhood, which I relate too); was that a Hank III song once? (Best new TKO 45 though, is "Broken Bottles" by a band named Broken Bottles, a droney slimey nasal tuneful punk clodhop about getting thrown out of a club that plays '80s dance music, then drinking in the street. That's the B-side; A-side "Suburban Dream" is more cliched but has an actual song to it, too--neighborhood watch amid picket fences; chorus for some reason saying "you and me, we could be the best of friends".)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(actually, that motorhead/abba analogy i just made was stupid; motorhead were actually extremely hooky despite themselves once upon a time, and still are compared to the vast majority of metal out there. plus, lemmy is an abba fan. but you get my point, i'm sure.)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I also really like the Josh Ritter album--there's a good feature on him in the new ND by Linda Ray; I also wrote about him there a few years ago--and I think "Girl in the War" is amazing: the lyrics first struck me as sub-Dylan allusive nonsense, but the song may well be about the paradox of seeking solace in religion in times of religious (or religion-fueled) wars. Especially when you're aching for a girl with champagne eyes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

and who isnt these days

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

you?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, im all about female soliders with champagne eyes, though my experience is mostly isreali, and the frission f political dissent is always a little erotic

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ok so 'baby hold on' is almost definitely the next dixie chix single right?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, just got back and caught up; so sorry about your Mom. I know this has going on for a while. I've had some experiences somewhat like that; drop me a line if you ever want to discuss (or for whatever else, of course) xxxxpost: xhuxx, not familiar with Billy Maddox, but Paul Thorn wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," and I've written on here (and maybe Rolling 20005) about a couple of his live sets on radio and TV(used to be really annoying, and he's still not exactly subtle, but getting to be pretty good with the stylistic switcheroo: crassly funny to spooky to kitchy to all at once, at best; also some okay plain serious, and some not okay). Roy, just finished the Chatham County Line thing: you were asking of any good, and yeah, first and third are. Second slumps, but a few good-to-great ("Saro Jane," an original) tracks. (Can sample all their first and second albums' tracks on yeproc,I hope, since they got 'em as individual downloads; third's tracks not available yet, since album's out on the 30th). Leader Dan Wilson has good evocative songs, most of the time, and they don't do the nasal lockjaw squeak. Was reminded of your man Tim Easton, and now I see they've done some shows together. Now to listen to the album you sent, thanks (cool design; is that your daygig?) So: Billy Walker, killed in Alabama car crash. Was he good?

don, Monday, 22 May 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally listened to the Lee Roy Parnell alb Back to the Wall that xhuxk was liking upthread; I don't find any reason to dislike it but I also think that here's another guy with a good voice who just isn't quite a frontman. In fact, I hear more "voice" in the guitar playing than in the singing - bent notes feeling like a human cry. The guitar is excellent, being part of the songs and doing solos without jumping around saying "Here's my solo turn" (not that some guitars shouldn't jump around and do their turns when played with genius). The guitar has bite in the midst of the slow bedroom soul of "Something Out of Nothing," but song and singer need to take command in a way that they can't. For the quiet sadness I'd like Toby Keith singing and for the slow smolder I'd want Travis Tritt. Which isn't to say that I would be unhappy hearing these songs on the radio. Is there a format that handles this music anymore? It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country, but my guess is that the country stations are the only hope it's got.

Now a question I've asked myself and that I don't have an answer for is: Why do I feel that this type of blues-soul is living within unnecessary constraints, snug in its form (especially since, for sure, there's a lot of variety, southern rock to slow blues to jazzy cloudbursts)? Anyhow, that's how I do feel, feel the same thing about the Jessi Colter (which I like quite a lot), that they're too far within a form, and I'm therefore feeling at a distance.

But I don't think that (for instance) Lindsay Lohan is unnecessarily constrained for not loading up her songs with blues licks and not stepping out of her forms.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link


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