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im not depressed at all, he was incredibly generous about my writing, and it really was a timing issue, i have two major writing projects this month, so im sort of blank on pitchs

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

>hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, <
>sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, <

I dunno, if it was such a commercial-careerism move (not that it'd necessarily be a bad thing if it was) wouldn't it consist of something other than country-rock trucker songs (hardly the most commercial subgenre out there)? How many trucker songs actually become c&w hits these days? or maybe they do in canada??) anyway, the more i listen, it's clear his "emotive" slow ones are the dullest songs on here (and so far the little feat and jerry reed covers seem the *least* dull -- though i like plenty of the truckin' originals too.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

in the sense of big and rich, jason aldean, gretchen wilson, and other country rock stuff--that and on the show, he got money from places like Western Star,

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 14 May 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the conventional singer-songwriter mopey mode is something new for Nancy, alas. She got back on the bus pretty soon after having her kid, but too soon for that, probably (True, wee Shooter had his crib on his parents' bus, but I'm not even sure, from Dan's old tour diary,whether the Mollys ever had an actual bus; mebbe a van? Much less one as well-appointed as the Outlaw coach) Was hoping she'd move to Trashville or El Lay and get some songs covered by the Chicks or Dolly etc, but she and her hubby, the last Mollys guitarist, Danny Krieger (who also wrote a song or two on her s/t), are still in Tucson, far as I know. She does play with a little trad country bar band sometimes, and the Mollys got back together this past St. Patricks Day. (The Zacallion Twins was a one-off as well.) You might not have the final version of the promo; the only way I got one was to ask, even though the pub knew I was writing a bigass feature (even bigerassed on thefreelancementalists, but better too). And the only way I knew to ask was Shooter's bass player mentioned it,as an afterthought. I asked him who played what on what,and he said he and Shooter each played about half the keybs (which I really like). Then, in a followup email, he said he played the horns on the end of "Living Proof," when they added Waylon's instrumental theme (to Hank Jr.'s song about his own paw, duh-huh). And then in a third email, come to think of it, that song's not on there no more.

don, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony I'm fairly positive that if there's a milksoppy or melancholy side to Jason McCoy, that's the bit I'll respond to the most. Given that, any recommendations where to start?

(As for the Go-Betweens, I think "Bellavista Terrace" probably is the place to start because it's an overview and that's the grown-up way, but I love "Spring Hill Fair" best of all, and I can't help thinking you're going to go mad for "Bachelor Kisses", and maybe "Part Company" (my favourite of all), so I'm half tempted to recomend you start there.)

Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

he has a best of cd out right now, and honky tonk angels, the cd is ecellent as is fears lies and angels (i need to check that title)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

darrell scott *the invisible man* in the mail yesterday, colorless singer-songwriter folk by a scruffly and apparently well-meaning old coot; didn't get through much of it, and it wouldn't even be worth mentioning except that it's got his version of "goodle, u.s.a.," which faith hill covered last year as "we've got nothing but love to prove," except it turns out she changed his line about "no more paint-by-numbers Jesus" to "no more paint-by-number hatred," and forgot to sing his line about "It's like Joe McCarthy was our acting president." She sings it (or pro-Tools it, who cares) better, though.

meanwhile i think i'm starting to come to turns with ashley monroe, a little. "he ain't coming back," her album's closer, is a breakfast breakup song (since she pours a cup of coffee in it) that seems to take its chorus's melody from one of my all-time breakfast breakup songs, "superwoman" by karyn white, but the breakfast breakup song it's paired with (since this one precedes it), "hank's cadillac," sounds like a teacher's pet is singing -- okay, maybe it's not a breakfast breakup song; wasn't paying attention to the (teacher's pet) title when i was listening to it, just to "if i'd kept the coffee strong," and regrets about all the other stuff she could've done different and he (hank?)'d still be around; the words are fine but the music's a bore. The two rockers, I guess (are there more?) are "can't let go" (another hard-to-let-go codependency-maybe song, same title mariah carey used once) and "pain pain" (which has the eddie rabbit love-me-in-the-rearview rap section and double entrende's about coming again). "that's why we call earch other baby" is the gender-quarrel duet, semi-rockabilly and not bad; who's the guy? (sounds like dwight yoakam, but maybe -- see my jason mccoy notes above -- everybody sounds like dwight to me this week). and then there's "satisfied," which feels dead in the water, and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

*born and raised* by self-released monroeville, PA six-piece cdbabies North of the Mason-Dixon (aka NOMAD) is interesting in a post-hair-metal world in that it includes (1) a cover of REO Speedwagon's "take it on the run" which sounds like the eagles, (2) a decent rocker called "farmer's daughter" that starts off seemingly swiping chordage from nazareth's "hair of the dog" even though NOMAD's idea of rocking is about one-twentieth what nazareth's idea of rocking was; (3) a track that sounds like billy ray cyrus doing a summer song halfway between bryan adams and kenny chesney; (4) a blatant bon jovi ballad imitation i don't like much called "i'm not your man; and (5) a decently drummed and horned rocker called "alone when you're lonely" that seems to employ cowbells. i also like the slightly latin bluegrassish lilt of "dyin' to live" and the hoedown jamming in "watch the girls." the "amazing grace" cover is okay, and the rest is no worse than lone star or rascal flatts. (in fact, i'd take the album anyday over the new rascal flatts CD, which i wound up liking two or three tracks on okay, but it still mainly stinks.)

road warriors song annoying me the most so far: "heart with four wheel drive". road warriors song reminding me most of big'n'rich so far: "i'm a road warrior," where they brag about their "pimped ride."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

I think that's the Kasey Chambers connection I noted earlier. I like Kasey, but that's one of her most pusillanimous tunes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally got the Irma Thomas record xhuxk mentioned up-thread: it's stunning, spare when it should be, fulsome and funky and never strained. I love the sense of space. Even quaint doo-woppish r&b numbers like "I Count the Tears" have more to say that you'd guess. Her voice must be the most undiminished of all the great '60s soul women. That wonderful song "Flowers" was written by Kevin Gordon, an East Nashville hard luck songwriter/rocker. Did anyone else hear his album from last year, O Come Look at the Burning? His version of "Flowers" is on there. The album deserved more attention than it got.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually think "I Count the Tears" might be my favorite track on the Irma record -- and to me, it's just too sweet to sound quaint!

Now, rethinking the Road Hammers: I'm starting to the get an idea of what Anthony means about Jason McCoy's heart not being in the more rowdy trucker stuff. Outside of the two covers, which are real good but mostly because they're just plain great songs, the only song he really completely puts over, to my ears, is "Girl on the Billboard," which has a cool sort of modal/circular/fugue-ish verse structure and also must be the song I was referring to when I said he sounded like Dwight Yoakam, because it's the only one where he does. The one and only ballad, "Call it a Day," *does* seem somehow more heartfeltedly sung than the faster stuff, and it's not as dull as I implied upthread; the guy does lonesome weariness pretty well, I guess. But I also wouldn't say it's any *less* generic than the speedier tunes; just generic in a less energetic way. I like "I'm a Road Hammer" pretty well, but the five-minute "reprise" version of it at the end (with its jew's harp type break and remixed stretching-out effects) is more B'n'R than the regular version at the beginning, and though Jason also says "chillin' the most" in it, it's really not all *that* B''n'R; actually, toward the start of it, his voice reminds me a little of John Anderson for a line or two. "Nashville Bound" (as in "hellbent and Nashville bound") irritated me at first since its title seemed gratuitious in two different ways after they'd already done "East Bound and Down", but I'm a David Allan Coe and Charlie Daniels fan, so any song where long-haired country guys get in a fight with a redneck is okay by me. "Keep On Truckin'" is not Eddie Kendricks by any means (wow, I just checked Joel Whitburn's book; I had no idea his '73 proto-disco song of that name went #1 pop for two weeks!), but it's kinda funky regardless. And there's lots of little doo-dads, ignition noises and incidental tracks and a track of bloopers called "Flat Tires" (plus the theme song reprise) to make people think this 10-song (eight orignals) album has 14 songs on it, and I appreciate the ripoff shamelessness of that, but then again I didn't have to pay for the thing. Only song I hate is the Country-and-Westerbergish one, "Heart With Four Wheel Drive," which sounds as bland as bland can be.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link

...and OOPS, I should of checked the credits before I typed "eight originals". "Girl on the Billboard" has apparently been sung in the past by Dave Dudley, Red Sovine, and others; I just never heard it. So the THREE best songs on the Road Hammers CD are all covers, and "The Hammer Goin' Down" was apparently written by Chris Knight, and "Heart With Four Wheel Drive" is "Paul Thorn/Billy Maddox 1995" (who are they?). So, more likely, just five originals, I guess.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally listened to this here Kasey Jones album of Mickey Newbury songs. Uggh. Useful if only to have all the worst versions of Newbury's songs in one place.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

& i dont mind a good cover album, either (speaking of good cover--god is the new springsteen angry and almost apocolyptic)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck wrote: as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

Roy wrote: P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

I'm back, I'm back. God, my mother's dying of cancer before my (and my sister's) eyes, we got this bad news a couple weeks ago. So I just have been worn out.

Tim Carroll and Elizabeth I've known for maybe 10 years. Great people.

I've been working, as much as I can in between this whole lousy situation--I did a piece on Mark Nevers for the Scene that should run next Wednesday, and he's a fascinating guy. Whatever else you can say about him or Bare or even Lambchop, he gets some cool sounds, and on this new (non-country, actually sorta "Adventure"-era Television/Pavement sounding) Lone Official record he did (they're a Nashville band led by a guy named Matt Button who writes songs about horseracing, feeling lost in the big city, and one kinda great one about bar fights!), Nevers is kinda a poet of the pedal steel or somethin' corny like that. Anyway, I found him real interesting, real cool (into punk rock and Eno and stuff) and he really uses those Music Row miking techniques mixed with his vintage 2-inch tape machines and so forth). I like the way his records sound, even the Candi Staton which I think Chuck mentioned he wasn't impressed by--well, it's probably a bit staid in a way, but it sounds great to me, real good revivalism that isn't stupid.

So far behind--I am also talking to Blaine Larsen sometime next week, so I got to sit down and re-listen to his new one.

I read some of the above posts, and will catch up tomorrow, I promise. I hope everyone here is doing OK--Anthony, Chuck, Roy, Don, everyone.

I did notice some talk about "Girl on the Billboard" above--the great version I know is by Del Reeves. And Chuck, remember the Dean Martin reissue of "Swinging Down Yonder" you were talking about? I saw a great film of him doing "Hominy Grits" from that record, around '52. Awesome.

Finally, it is terrible about Grant from the Go-Betweens. I don't know all their stuff, but I do like a few songs from "Tallulah" which is the most commonly praised one, I think, and from "The Friends of," the one they did in Oregon or wherever. But I never went the way of a lot of people with them, I never quite loved them or anything. They always seemed so serious, and I was always a bit put off by the angst or something. Angst, man, I do not need right now.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

whats the album called, and who is putting it out.
i am really sorry about your mother, ill do the candle and prayer thing at mass next week...i wish i could help more

much love
ase

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to hear from you, edd. Be well.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, all love and support for you and your family in this difficult time.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 20 May 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, sorry to hear about your mother. Best of luck and everything, and I'm always glad to read your posts when you get the chance.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Ashley Monroe alb release delayed 'til September or so.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

hey is that dixie chicks video like very deliberately 'yes yes rub face' evoking oil? it's a gorgeous vid in any case (love sophie vids)(although the standard sophie dramatic flourishes - i swear to god i think they bow maybe - rub me rawer in this one than in 'mr brightside' or whatever).

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, best wishes, Edd. I hope you and your family are holding up and get through this OK; you're in my thoughts.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ive become obsessed lately with the singer songwriter josh ritter, i like how he writes, and i like his voice, though he might be a little too acousticy for the rest of ya'll

(his song girl in the war, is a gender reversal that fascinates, he sings about waiting for his gf, or wife, to come back from being killed...and since i think he is canadian, and we allow women to serve in combat here, and when he sings

And I got a girl in the war, Paul the only thing I know to do
Is turn up the music and pray that she makes it through

it breaks my fucking heart, there have been a lot of protest songs lately, some god awful (bright eyes), and some brilliant (springsteen)
but this is this most personal of an obit ive heard...

i can ysi if anyone wants to hear it

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i might be taking this too literally, and the war might be the realtionship or something like tht, but the more i listen to it, its seems to really be about soilders (he sings lots and lots of songs about how girls dont like him very much which may mean its not about combat, and sometimes he ventures into abstract poetics, so we got to keep yr ears open, and maybe i want this song to be about something that it isnt--he has a voice thats warm, and only slightly atonal, and a little nasal, but more intimate then the others of his genre...so even if its not about war directly, i think the album is on my best of this year so far)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.christiankiefer.com/presidents.htm
also this was amazing, but might be too indie wank for this thread

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony, you should read Robert Christgau's College of Joshes roundup from a couple years ago; Ritter's in there:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0335,christgau,46533,22.html

Me, I just played Hank III's cover (on a 2000-copy limited edition picture disc split 45 on oi!-friendly TKO Records) of Antiseen's catchiest song ever "Ruby Get Back to the Hills," and Hank performs the seemingly impossible task of TAKING ALL OF THE TUNE OUT OF AN ANTISEEN TUNE via his usual dried-out riverbank country nostalgia shtick turning into hack dime-a-dozen mosh noise bullshit halfway through, quite an accomplishment (being less melodic than Antiseen, I mean, since Antiseen generally make Motorhead seem like Abba in comparison), but I damned if I'll listen to it again (since he also extracts all the power and humor from the song.) I swear, III annoys me more and more as time goes on. (By the way, are his digs at Kid Rock because Hank Jr has called Kid his "son" or whatever once? That occured to me, and obviously it'd make sense.) Oddly, I actually enjoy the flipside, Antiseen doing "F.T.K." (= "Fuck the Kids," gratitously homophobic but at least thankfully not gratutiously pedophilic, and mostly just gratuitously get-offa-my-lawn-you-idiot-punk-rock-whippersnappers-before-I-get-my-shotgun curmudgeonhood, which I relate too); was that a Hank III song once? (Best new TKO 45 though, is "Broken Bottles" by a band named Broken Bottles, a droney slimey nasal tuneful punk clodhop about getting thrown out of a club that plays '80s dance music, then drinking in the street. That's the B-side; A-side "Suburban Dream" is more cliched but has an actual song to it, too--neighborhood watch amid picket fences; chorus for some reason saying "you and me, we could be the best of friends".)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(actually, that motorhead/abba analogy i just made was stupid; motorhead were actually extremely hooky despite themselves once upon a time, and still are compared to the vast majority of metal out there. plus, lemmy is an abba fan. but you get my point, i'm sure.)

xhuxk, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I also really like the Josh Ritter album--there's a good feature on him in the new ND by Linda Ray; I also wrote about him there a few years ago--and I think "Girl in the War" is amazing: the lyrics first struck me as sub-Dylan allusive nonsense, but the song may well be about the paradox of seeking solace in religion in times of religious (or religion-fueled) wars. Especially when you're aching for a girl with champagne eyes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

and who isnt these days

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

you?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

nah, im all about female soliders with champagne eyes, though my experience is mostly isreali, and the frission f political dissent is always a little erotic

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ok so 'baby hold on' is almost definitely the next dixie chix single right?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Edd, just got back and caught up; so sorry about your Mom. I know this has going on for a while. I've had some experiences somewhat like that; drop me a line if you ever want to discuss (or for whatever else, of course) xxxxpost: xhuxx, not familiar with Billy Maddox, but Paul Thorn wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," and I've written on here (and maybe Rolling 20005) about a couple of his live sets on radio and TV(used to be really annoying, and he's still not exactly subtle, but getting to be pretty good with the stylistic switcheroo: crassly funny to spooky to kitchy to all at once, at best; also some okay plain serious, and some not okay). Roy, just finished the Chatham County Line thing: you were asking of any good, and yeah, first and third are. Second slumps, but a few good-to-great ("Saro Jane," an original) tracks. (Can sample all their first and second albums' tracks on yeproc,I hope, since they got 'em as individual downloads; third's tracks not available yet, since album's out on the 30th). Leader Dan Wilson has good evocative songs, most of the time, and they don't do the nasal lockjaw squeak. Was reminded of your man Tim Easton, and now I see they've done some shows together. Now to listen to the album you sent, thanks (cool design; is that your daygig?) So: Billy Walker, killed in Alabama car crash. Was he good?

don, Monday, 22 May 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally listened to the Lee Roy Parnell alb Back to the Wall that xhuxk was liking upthread; I don't find any reason to dislike it but I also think that here's another guy with a good voice who just isn't quite a frontman. In fact, I hear more "voice" in the guitar playing than in the singing - bent notes feeling like a human cry. The guitar is excellent, being part of the songs and doing solos without jumping around saying "Here's my solo turn" (not that some guitars shouldn't jump around and do their turns when played with genius). The guitar has bite in the midst of the slow bedroom soul of "Something Out of Nothing," but song and singer need to take command in a way that they can't. For the quiet sadness I'd like Toby Keith singing and for the slow smolder I'd want Travis Tritt. Which isn't to say that I would be unhappy hearing these songs on the radio. Is there a format that handles this music anymore? It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country, but my guess is that the country stations are the only hope it's got.

Now a question I've asked myself and that I don't have an answer for is: Why do I feel that this type of blues-soul is living within unnecessary constraints, snug in its form (especially since, for sure, there's a lot of variety, southern rock to slow blues to jazzy cloudbursts)? Anyhow, that's how I do feel, feel the same thing about the Jessi Colter (which I like quite a lot), that they're too far within a form, and I'm therefore feeling at a distance.

But I don't think that (for instance) Lindsay Lohan is unnecessarily constrained for not loading up her songs with blues licks and not stepping out of her forms.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Both the new Leeroy Parnell and Jessi Colter albums (neither of which, admittedly, I've played much since I first got them, but heck, I'd say the same thing about Lohan's album, which I'm sure I prefer) strike me as less constrained, with more individual songs jumping out and more rock energy and more details to the distinguish one song from another, than the reissue of Delaney and Bonnie's Stax 1969 *Home*, which I've had in my five-CD changer for the past couple days (and which is playing all the way through in the background now, as a last resort before it hits the sell box), and which always sounds pleasant whenever a song comes up, but which never leaves any impression whatsoever beyond that. What is supposed to be so great about this thing again? Sounds pretty darn pro forma to me. Christgau apparently loved them -- gave their '70s albums all A's or A-'s, and seemed to be saying their late '60s ones were even better. *Rolling Stone Record Guide* (red '79 edition, all the later boring ones are in storage now I think, ha ha) claims they were a big influence on Clapton, which could be good or bad. Anyway, I'm thinking people must have just been impressed about Duck Dunn working with these polite white folkies, and I seriously doubt I'll keep the damn thing. Feel free to try to convince me otherwise.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, frank, isn't it inductive reasoning to note that certain individuals in genre x are more constrained than certain individuals in genre y, and then assume they both speak for their entire genres? i mean, do you also think toby keith's music is less constrained than, say, vanessa carlton's or michelle branch's? i sure don't -- though who knows, maybe that just means i need to listen to vanessa or michelle more. and i doubt they're the best examples anyway. but also, just because, say, pink lets more genres into her music than, say, dale watson {whose album actually strikes me as quite varied, regardless} doesn't mean i'd rather listen to her. and now, i don't.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(also, i realize i'm sort of putting words in your mouth; you actually sorta set toby up *against* leeroy, which might mean that, unlike jessi, toby might not qualify as "this kind of blues-soul." and maybe vanessa and michelle are part of a different genre than lindsay, too. but whatever their genres are, i doubt it would be all that difficult to find some member of the leeroy genre whose music is less constained than some member of the lindsay genre. and since in the *past* you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} are (which i don't buy myself -- all three genres strike my own ears as constrained *and* varied} i still believe i'm making a valid point.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, i meant:

"you've surely complained about current country being constrained in ways that current teen-pop {and current hip-hop} AREN'T"

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Lee Roy Parnell is more comparable to Jon Nicholson than Toby Keith or Jessi Colter, I think, or Lindsay Lohan; he's more of an enlightened crooner who uses blues and country in search of the Genre Without A Name in between. Toby might think he's doing that, but he always defaults to country; Kenny Chesney thinks he does it, but his default is set to Eagles and James Taylor; Garth went there a couple of times, but he listened to a couple of his songwriting buddies one night when they all were high and we all know what happened next. Anthony Hamilton went there but then retreated; Ann Peebles had a home there for a little while; I think Allison Moorer rents a room there, but you guys all disagree.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, that was supposed to read "blues and country and soul", whatever

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow, as far as I can tell, Lee Roy's feet seem stuck to the ground in a pair of lead shoes compared to Toby's, there's no comparison. (I also wish Leeroy seemed as fun--as pop--as Jon Nicholson, or Pat Green for that matter, though Toby's way more soulful than any of the above. *The Blackwell Guide to Recorded Country Music* compares Leeroy's first album from 1990, which I've never heard--in fact, I've never *anything* but his new album, I don't think, so what the hell do I know? Was he more pop back when he actually had country hits?--to Delbert McClinton, which sounds right to me, not that I've ever listened to Delbert enough to figure out if he's any good.)

Speaking of Garth, I've been trying to wade through his damn 17-song outtakes thingamajig from early this year, and I never get very far into it before I give up. Not sure why -- maybe just because it's so fucking long (like all the hip-hop albums I haven't been able to get through this year.) So far, I definitely like the song where he's leaving a bar but he doesn't know where so he asks the operator to trace his cellphone call to determine his global position, and I'm less sure about the one where God reincarnates him as a cowgirl's saddle so he'll be close to his two favorite things in life, a cowgirl and a horse. (The conceit of which reminds me somehow of "I Want to Sniff Sheila Young's Bicycle Seat After a 15-Mile Ride" by my old high school pals Luke Mucus and the Phlegm, though I doubt that's intentional.) Beyond that, Garth, I have no frigging idea yet.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(Dammit - I meant I've never HEARD anything but Leeroy's new album. Which, as I detail way up thread, I actually *enjoy*, despite the misgivings I just stated. He strikes me as a stodgy old cuss, but at least a lively one, which is more than you can say for most.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not talking about "quality," Chuck, just genre-leanings; I actually don't think Lee Roy is all that interested in country music at all, and neither really is Nicholson, whereas Toby is pretty steeped in it. I'm not even getting into discussions about who sounds lead-footed, not on this thread and not with you, and not with anyone else either, because that's all ear-of-the-behearer territory.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

That Garth saddle song sounds awesome though!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Matt, both I (see my Feb 28 post: "NOTHING on this record is MORE country than soul or blues") and Frank ("It's more blues, soul, and gospel than country") acknowledge that Parnell's priority is in places other than country, so I guess that's something we all agree on. And sure, that's probably not the case with Toby. But I still don't see how that makes Toby's music less an exploratory "search of the Genre Without A Name" than Parnell's; maybe Parnell would explore more if country *was* his frame. As is, compared to Toby, he seems stylistically stuck in place, which was my lead-shoe point.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(Compared to Chesney, too; his music just feels way more *open* than Leeroy's. Which might just mean that, nowadays, the scope of "country" is much wider than the scope of "this kind of blues-soul" or "the genre without a name" or whatever you wanna call it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

(and ha ha, now I'M reasoning inductively!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't want to say that the midpoint of country and blues and soul is necessarily the best place to be; after all, I fully expect the new Hacienda Bros. record to be right there smack dab in the middle, and I fully expect to love it the first three times I hear it, and I fully expect to never listen to it again. And I agree that there is a use for Toby Keith in this world, and that he has soul elements right alongside his shit-kickery. But I still can't see any earthly use for Kenny Chesney, because I think he proves that there are limitations involved in having one's music be "open". But his singles sound okay on the radio, I guess, sometimes.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the Hacienda Bros' new album better than that Parnell one - they cover the Intruders ("I useta chase the girls and beat 'em up", still wtf after all these years) *and* Charlie Rich *and* the Boxtops, and do Tex-Mex and spaghetti western and Irish-ish stuff, too. But yeah, it all ends up in the same place, somehow, and I'm not gonna predict I'll return to it much, either. Not as much as to Chesney, at least. (Actually, I never even heard Kenny's most recent one; did anybody here? *When the Sun Goes Down* and *No Shoes No Shirt No Problems* are his great ones; his best-of CD's in storage.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of toby, why the hell did brooks and dunn do the merel haggard tribute at the 40 years of ACM show, instead of Toby, Toby is the closest to outlaw we have right now, hes clever, hes ambigous, the voice is similar, and well it seems a better fit?

whos watching the acm 2006 awards show tonite?

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Most recent Chesney I've liked: "Who'd You Be Today" and "Anything But Mine" (pretty much the same musically, but each set of lyrics establishes its own turf, and Kenny obliges). Country-blues-soul does get played, but I hear it more often on NPR, on shows like "Beale Street Caravan" and "American Routes," "World Cafe" (though the latter also features stuff far from country-blues-soul),and sometimes "Woodsongs" will have like Cowboy Jack Clements or Jim Dickinson or The Gourds, all of whom are more idiosyncratic than ones so far cited, but not very constrained, unless you thank they should be more mainstream-accesible(they do make a living, as is). But mostly "Woodsongs" has somebody more acoustic, like xpost Peasall Sisters. "Beale Street Caravan" and "Woodsongs" are live sets, though ("AM Routes" more studio). "World Cafe" is both; a lot (though not all)of the album tracks they play are bad-to-neglgible American and UK NPR stereptypes (Feist). But the live-in-the-studio sets, which I've mentioned before on these Rolling threads (Rosanne's, for inst) are what I listen for, and they're posted here and there, as well as where they "should" be posted---but my point is that a lot of these artists find exposure either through non-commercial radio formats, or through live sets ("Beale St" tapes stuff in clubs and at festivals all over the country), and/or through newer commercial media, like satellite radio and Webcasts. Also, some networking and performance exposure through other ventures, like I've seen several artists emtnion they got some deal together via Delbert McClinton's Blues Cruise (.And his recent Cost Of Living is mostly pretty droll, xxhuxx, though whether it would be a keeper, I dunno: I think I'm gonna send mine to Luc, but not cos it's bad, it's just established all the room in my headbox it's ever gonna demand.) Haven't listened to Delaney and Bonnie in a while, but when I heard the reissue of their Live, no longer grabbed me like it did on LP, except for one track that made me pogo, most unusually. I suspect they're more significant re networking also: Clapton joined up after Rolling Stone called him the master of blues cliche and he broke up Cream (although I'd say such mastery is good basis for arena thud-rock, but he meant it to be more) and there he pretty much put together Derek And The Dominos, but also with horns and better vocal harmonies than D and the Ds did on their own. And other careers were advanced from D and B enterprises, and seemed like they helped establish the country-blues-soul Southern Rock thing as viable (Lucrative on the road and FM and album sales, rather than *solely* road-piggybacking basically limited-lifespan Top Forty success, like with Box Tops etc). Roy: thanks for Rough Shop. I like most of the playing, several of the tunes, some of the whole songs, and occasionally the vocals.(Words and vocals tend to vague out on each other.) But can imagine somebody else doing good versions (maybe hits, or at least Featured Tracks that actually get played on the radio) of "I'm Your Man" and "Town's For Sale." And maybe "Final Wild Sons" and some others.

don, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link


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