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I dunno about including Sly - he doesn't really get too fuzzy, and when he does, it's usually only cuz he's letting Larry Graham do an 8-bar break. Freddie was a great guitarist, but he didn't really stretch out with a lot of crazed, overdriven solos.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i always liked that mar-keys album with "angel dust" and "creeper's funkastrations" on it. can't remember how much fuzz is on that album though. i haven't played it in a long time. i think there was some though. good wordless orgasmic moaning though, a la p-funk.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

true, shakey, sly was still pretty orderly, although blues tracks like sex machine werent that 'tight' sounding.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i still say Black Acid Rock (TM) = Jimi Hendrix. although im not one for the separating of hendrix and white rockers, in the same way im not one for separating hendrix and black traditions either (this is a can of worms though, so never mind).

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

jasonD should have just bought some dennis coffey records if he was including dalt mcdermot and david axelrod at the top. he was really just looking for funky fuzz. and there are only 5 zillion records that fit that bill.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"galt" mcdermot.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

so the black acid rock thing is a bit misleading really....

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Acid Rock purism! A different Wynton, just like the otherwolrd needs.Dalek 'sroom cloud karma! I read a brilliant piece about them the other day. Swamp Dogg's TOTAL DESTRUCTION fucks the dignified mind of Muscle Shoals. He's muscle shaolin

― Dalekred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

And Run DMC's "Rock Box" is a whole NOTHER can of worms, I guess, so we should all be sure not to mention that one, either.

― cheddy, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

thats more like Black 80s Hard Rock.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah and Dennis Coffey was white so he doesn't count, except for when he was sampled by PE and LL Cool J, when he does.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

don, i forgot that you were a dalek fan!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

no grodeck whipperjenny then, i guess.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

although, they did back up james brown, that's pretty black.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, how can people who like such messy music wind up so ANAL about it? Weird....Isn't acid rock about THROWING THE RULES TO THE WIND???

I like Dalek, too, guys! Also Techno Animal! And 2nd Gen! All those people!!

― cheddar, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

as long as they took acid, its acid rock!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, acid jazz in the 90s is a problem cos i dont think any of them dropped acid. and they didnt sound like they did either.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

you guys all ruined my thread with semantics. this and that damn dub metal thread that hstencil and chuck got in another fight about

(holy crap, like 4000xpost

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

No espcially not the "Rock Box"! Eddie Martinez aieeeeeeeeee

― Devendra, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, what about all those funky fuzz guitar records on blue note that all the acid jazz people loved.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

And if they hid the acid inside their HEADBAND, it's Black Acid Rock!

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

acid jazz people really liked rusty bryant, that's all i know.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

hey i think bowie circa 76 qualifies as post-black-acid-rock, or BAR as i have come to call it.

anyone with a headband = black acid rock!!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

black acid rock = BAR = HEADBAND rock!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

jason, we got confuzed cuzza the thread title, but the electric prunes shoulda been a tip off.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Rusty Bryant!! "Fire Eater" is the funkiest cut I know. It's funkier than a mosqueeter's tweeter. Idris Mohammad forevah!

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

great thread--actually I'm just listening to the two Mer-Da records friend of mine burned me. The second one from '72, "Long Burn the Fire," is definitely the better of the two. But I like the somewhat simpler and more Hendrix-like first one from '67 pretty well too.

I've got the Dave Matthews/James Brown "Sho Is Funky Down Here," which was JB's last King LP. It's really not exactly acid-rock, more like King Crimson or something, which isn't necessarily bad.

Ulmer's "Black Rock" is pretty great in this vein. And I like the Muddy Waters and Wolf electric Chess records.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, fire eater is the bomb.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I was actually going to link to that dub metal thread above, since it's the one where some deaf numbskull kept denying that the Chambers Brothers had anything to do with heavy metal, but I restained myself.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

And then, after I cleaned up my shirt, I restrained myself as well.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

screw the thread title. Joe Farrell!!! Joe Beck!!! Larry Coryell!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Gabor Szabo, muthafuckas!!!!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

{True story: One of my favorite free band T-Shirts I ever got in the mail was a nice striped brown one for the band Staind (from before I even knew who they were, as they were still unfamous), which I wore real often until it actually wound up *getting* stained. Crazy, huh?}

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck, you gotta send that story to readers digest immediately.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

And once, I was in the car listening to the oldies station, that Chuck Berry line about seatbelts not budging was on the radio at the EXACT MOMENT that my seatbelt wouldn't open. (Hey, I got a million of 'em. And I do not make these things up! How could I?)

Anyway, what the hell:

RFI : Dub metal

― edchuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Dammit I worked my ASS off on this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Mr Stress, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Dalek is kind of dub metal at times. Larry Coryell did do some very rowdy jazz-rock raveups with black music elements, provided in large part by actual black people, in Eleventh House and some other bands before and after. Joe Beck played with Esther Phillips, but before that alnum, she did PERFORMANCE, with Jon Sholle and another guy, who also played for Motown, and they did foreboding funk with metallic tendrils of bass and slide, weird tonality in the EQ too, like on "I Feel The Same," and "Disposable Society." But they didn't do that kind of thing on all the tracks. Etta James did that one (self-titled?) with "All The Way Down," that makes Mick Jagger "seem like" apussy in comparison, and her cover of Randy Newman's "God's Song" makes "black metal" of the Nordic persuasion "seem like" a pussy. Not a literal pussy, for that would be more than okay of course.

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread is fucked

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry. What did you want that you haven't gotten?

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

no it's perfect. perfectly fucked

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

jason, forreelz, joe farrell's Upon This Rock. funkyfuzzbreakbeet heaven!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe "fucked" is a GOOD thing??

― cherd, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

You got a lot of fuckin information for free.based on what you said you wanted, for the most part.

― Don, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

are u guyz drunk? jason, said it was perfect. perfectly fucked. he's happy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of black acid rock & Sly Stone and the relative lack of fuzz-guitars on the Family Stone records (hundreds of posts ago), howbout the amplified-harmonica-wah-wahed-all to hell that Sly played throughout "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey" and "Sex Machine"? That was a WILD sound! Further out than Frampton's talkbox, even. How come nobody else ever pursued that sound? (At least to my knowledge.)

You guys have covered Love already, right? Seems to me that Arthur Lee sounded blacker as the guitars got noisier. At least up until his '72 solo LP, which I've never heard.

(Onward I go, to Chuck's dub metal thread)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Not to be pedantic, but David Axelrod and Galt MacDermot (correct spelling) are white.

I third whoever said Blo. Also, check out the Nigeria 70 comp on Strut and the Ghana Soundz comp on Sound Way.

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, seriously Jason, what the fuck is wrong with you dude?? Galt MacDermot and David Axelrod are WHITE!! Get those mofos the FUCK off this thread.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, what part of Black Acid Rock don't you understand?

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, I understand it! although, I'm not sure I understand how a couple horn drenched african beat groups fit the bill. (what I *really* don't understand is the idea that there are no female guitar "virtuosos", but that's neither here nor there.)

I was just amused that you seemingly missed the 100 or so posts where everyone just sort of goofed around and played around with the idea of the racial boundary, and you went straight after Jason's first post on the thread -- written well over a year ago -- where he was basically feeling out the territory and looking for recommendations. And you used that irritating "I don't want to [x], BUT" construction. And Chuck already made the same point you did anyway, except funnier. The whole thread had a nice arc and teleology, winding up with Jason's "perfectly fucked" comment -- and provided many laffs along the way. Don't take my silly post as anything more than another grenade lobbed in that general direction.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I started reading this thread, went to dinner (w/ four beers), came home, watched a TiVoed 'Queer Eye' and drank two more beers. Various notes made during visits to this thread:

I'm in the Chuck/Don camp, which is to say I agree in a let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom sense with what George said on the first Funkadelic album (on two separate cuts): "Loan me yr funky mind so I can play with it, FOR NOTHING IS GOOD UNLESS YOU PLAY WITH IT."

New Kingdom rules. Justin Warfield, in my opinion, never got fucked up enough to realize he was playing music in the first place.

The Slash/GNR thang is obviously gamin' on ya, but didn't his dad do art direction for 'Court and Spark,' come to think of it? One thing to think of: Slash might well have been like Martin Chambers, who once noted that he never knew what the words to Pretenders songs were . . . which obviously never kept him from doing his job in 10/10 fashion.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

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