god dammit so frustrating
― Jacques_Lamure, Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
BRRRd man of alcatraz
― wacka flocka seagulls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link
BRRRstille
― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
also goddamn, rappers, what is wrong with you all
Lemonade XD XD XD
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF3ynKDTR1o
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
woah this is good
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm going to have that hook stuck in my head all night
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link
wow that is yellow
― a hoy hoy, Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
and dope
green ice, red light, caution: gucci rock yellow
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/texas/pictures/aaron-burr-350.jpg
― luol deng (am0n), Saturday, 14 November 2009 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
this is really really good
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
wow best bangladesh beat in forever imo
― Kenny G. Saxgarden (some dude), Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
or really best since 8Ball & MJG's "Forever" i should say
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
how is there no tracklist for this album yet btw, seems so unusual
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
are you sure the one Jacques_Lamure posted last week is wrong? it had "Lemonade" and "Worst Enemy" on it before either leaked. i do get the feeling this is a Carter III situation where he's probably recording possible songs for it every day until they send it to the pressing plant, though.
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah who knows - i'm hoping that that one isn't right cuz it's so guest heavy - do not need minaj, ross, cam'ron, bun, e-40, whoo da kid verses
also has a really soft & bad looking middle section - what the fuck is a jason ceaser?
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought it was a foregone conclusion that the album would lean hard on guests and R&B shit, especially after "Spotlight"
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link
it basically looks like tha carter III formula except that gucci is working largely with his normal producers
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link
or rather he's branching out with big southern rap producers as opposed to big pop producers like siwzz & kanye
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:54 (fourteen years ago) link
and also he won't be singing, and there won't be any stuffy kingmaking jay-z collaborations
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link
true
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link
probably done w/ the 11th hour joints now that he's in jail :(
― peed on tree (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link
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already 20x the album carter iii is then
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link
"lemonade" is a total jam
is your ave. ilxor still hating on him?
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been somewhat wary of gucci but this track is dope as fuck
― cumlord carabinieri (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link
what are u wary of exactly? our enthusiasm? this track is dope but he has lots of music just like this
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Naw, not put off by anyone's enthusiasm but the music I was hearing. (Who do you think I am, Shiply?) I mean, I'd heard tracks by him that I thought were good, but nothing that I unreservedly loved. I haven't followed him that closely, though. I had a feeling he'd have tracks that I'd like more than what I've heard, but my ambivalance toward his basic M.O. made my couple attempts at seperating the wheat from the chaff seem not worth it. I mean, if you can reccomend more Gucci tracks that sound like this, I'd be appreciative.
― cumlord carabinieri (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:54 (fourteen years ago) link
well, there's nothing that sounds precisely like this one, but there are a solid # of songs in his catalog that are similarly sui generis ... but lyrically familiar.
i mean i would still recommend just checking the burrrprint 3d if you havent heard it yet
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:57 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, I d/led that but never got around to listening
― cumlord carabinieri (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 November 2009 11:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Naw, not put off by anyone's enthusiasm but the music I was hearing. (Who do you think I am, Shiply?)
ftr, gucci fane zealotry put me off of reading writing about gucci, not listening to his music
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, same here
― estebutt bannez (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 November 2009 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
these are some songs that grabbed me as a casual fan fwiw: Perfect Diamonds, Follow Me, Overboard, Walkin' On Ice, No No No, Ha Ha Ha, Dope Boys
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
other than br4nd0n s0d3rb3rg, what writing are you talking about? j0rdan & i have pretty much just posted lyrics since we first did our piece & noz barely editorializes at all
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
rob harvilla's voice column was pretty jaded faux-enthusiasm & most everything else on him has been absurd REAL RAP articles like this: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/kyles-files/2009/11/rap-fans-must-choose-the-gucci-mane-cometh.html or nathan rabin making fun of his chain.
i so rarely see ppl "overdoing it" on his rapping -- if anything, fans are way more likely to be like "its just dumb fun shit for riding to"/"its just real street shit" generic gangster rap defense which actually tends to shortchange the music.
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
if you really want to reduce your last 9 months of writing about gucci mane to transcribing lyrics and freaking out on message boards, be my guest
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
so what did i say that you think is so out there?
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
well i mean you're right s0d3rb3rg is more TLDR than anyone else but still you wanting to excuse yourself from the whole thing is ridic
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
excuse myself from what? i have been otm in this thread
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
& yes that was a l0u1s jagg3r callback
anyway the words rev and i used were "enthusiasm" and "zealotry," which aren't really specific to what you or anyone else has written professionally
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
which is simply to say i tend to listen to his stuff and go "that was a hot line" and not "OMG HOLY SHIT GUCCI IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL, KING OF THE SOUTH, FUK U IF U DISAGREE"
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
if the conclusion we've reached is "enthusiasm made al not want to listen to something" then i think i understand
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
aside from the all caps thing, dont u agree hes on another level & certainly in the argument about king of the south? or would have been before getting his ass arrested again
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
honestly im asking this shit because it feels like its taking way way way more *effort* to get music writers to take him seriously as a 'thing' than rap traditionally takes. like ppl have written him off as "oh another popular rapper" without actually trying to figure out what hes doing musically (musically = lyrically, stylistically, etc) & i find it really really frustrating
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean hes got everything ppl liked about the clipse + a bunch of other stuff going on ... what is there not to like? why is his character so much more objectionable than freddie gibbs writing songs about pimping? its so weird to me -- at least when it was like 'native tongues vs. gangsta rap' arguments of the early 00s you had a feeling like there was an actual moral basis for picking one over the other, i.e. tribe's descendents arent talking about blowing ppl's brains out ... but now critically feted rappers are talking about just that
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i agree that it's an uphill battle and it's for a variety of reasons, some of which are bullshit and some of which are kind of understandable. but it kinda seems like you just keep going around in circles of "he's a really good rapper in a way that doesn't traditionally garner critical respectability...so why the fuck aren't you critics paying him respect!?"
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i think a lot of the difference from say the clipse or dipset or jeezy or whatever is the slurry enunciation that kinda goes beyond just southern accent (but gets characterized that way anyway) and the fact that his stuff tends to be a little bright and happy and there's not a whole lot of SERIOUS RAPPER IS SERIOUS stuff to champion
― some dude, Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link