ooh, yes puh-lease
― controlled noise pollution (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 19 November 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
+1 oh hai
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 November 2009 02:29 (fourteen years ago) link
confirmed, it's a "talk".
― dan selzer, Thursday, 19 November 2009 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
These days for Lou it amounts to the same thing.
― Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Did you trainspotters see this? http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=333 I've actually never heard any 1993 stuff except the official release, so I'm kinda curious.
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 November 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ordered the Unterberger and Kugelberg books from Amazon last nite. So psyched.
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 19 November 2009 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Was hoping NYPL event was going to be about invading skating rink with loud amps and intrusive microphones.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I have mixed feelings about the Unterberger book. I guess it's where you go if you want to know what they ate for breakfast on the third Tuesday of the month, and it is full of weird and sometimes fascinating little bits of trivia.
That said, it has the overall effect (at least for me) of making the Velvet Underground seem kind of boring. And he has this major fixation on the Live 1969 album, which has never been my favorite thing of theirs...
― dlp9001, Monday, 23 November 2009 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The Unterberger book is a bludgeoning thing, but I can't fault his love for the live album, which is easily my favorite official album release of theirs now.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 23 November 2009 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link
but what about the supposed alternate mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name"?!?!?
I compared this with my original Verve mono, and it's a more 'fuzzy' mix, and the lead guitar may even be mixed slightly down.
― Mark G, Monday, 23 November 2009 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, definitely can't fault Unterberger for praising Live 1969 -- it is the best live album ever imo. As for making the VU seem boring, I kinda like that about the book. There's definitely a de-mystification of the band -- it's fun seeing how a semi-popular group in the late 60s went about their day-to-day existence. But maybe that's just me. I'm just now getting to the end of it. It must've been horrible for Lou to put out his first solo album and have all the reviews say "man, the VU were so good, I wish this was a VU album"! After being generally ignored for the lifespan of the band, that would suck.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 November 2009 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
On-the-money review by David Keenan in last month's Wire of both books, effectively skewering the received wisdom that the VU were like a monochrome alternative to late 60s hippydom.
― anagram, Monday, 23 November 2009 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Time machine, anyone?http://23.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krdkn9t3mi1qa5w86o1_500.jpg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
so far these books are GREAT. The Reed/Tucker intvw in NY ART is odd and wonderful though too short. And those photos!!
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I think I'm going to have to get it. Was trying to convince myself I didn't need a VU coffee table book, but I do, I do!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
$30 and change @ Amazon.
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 26 November 2009 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
http://z.about.com/d/classicrock/1/7/I/9/velvetundergroundc.jpg
... none more monchrome
― E Poxy Thee Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 November 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
http://lineout.thestranger.com/files/2006/12/velvet-underground.jpg
― E Poxy Thee Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 November 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
xp exactly, that pic illustrates Keenan's point perfectly.
― anagram, Thursday, 26 November 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
hey it was the VU at the Zoo, whaddaya want? That's usually what I look like when I go to the Zoo.
― tylerw, Thursday, 26 November 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Going to see the rock 'n' roll animals I suppose
― E Poxy Thee Fule (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 November 2009 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
They may have gotten all bright n' paisley by '69 but they were certainly no fans of hippies or West Coast rock of the time.
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 26 November 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i think mainly they weren't Bill Graham fans. Reed loved "Eight Miles High" and Sterling Morrison loved Quicksilver Messenger Service. Can't get more West Coast rock than that!
― tylerw, Thursday, 26 November 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
http://media.nypl.org/audio/live_2009_12_08_velvet_underground.mp3^^^ audio from this week's NYPL VU talk ... Haven't listened yet ...
― tylerw, Friday, 11 December 2009 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
This was a fun listen though D. Fricke is a bit of a Phil Schaap-y creepy fanboy
― François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 12 December 2009 05:07 (fourteen years ago) link
What other tune is "Ride Into The Sun" reminiscent of? I think it's classical but can't place it. Help!
― krakow, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm listening to it on the Another View compilation, btw, if you want to dig it out & listen.
― krakow, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
dunno what it's reminiscent of ... but it is lovely, isn't it?
This was a fun listen though D. Fricke is a bit of a Phil Schaap-y creepy fanboyHe would fit in perfectly on this thread! David, are you out there?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
oh goddammit this is like one of the most famous classical pieces ever it gets used all the time and I can hear it in my head but I am blanking on the title arrrrrgghghghghghgh
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
haha, glad it's not just me, someone will put us out of our misery shortly i'm sure
― krakow, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Pachelbel's Canon?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
YES
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess it is kinda like pachelbel's ... Ride Into The Sun would make a good wedding processional, too!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
aha
― krakow, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks mark g
Ride Into The Sun would make a good wedding processional, too!
^^^did this
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
(actually it was Bron-y-Aur for the entrance and Ride into the Sun for the exit but whatever)
haha, nice ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
got the New York Art book for xmas -- man, it is gorgeous! i get so used to seeing the VU in black and white, but there are amazing color shots in there, too. Haven't fully explored it yet, but early thoughts: Moe Tucker = hero of the universe.
― tylerw, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
speaking of which, in the 2008 conversation with him and Moe, Lou says he saw all these bands at SXSW with drummers standing up a la Moe. Is this true? I don't think I've heard of many bands doing this recently. I saw the Raveonettes doing it a few years back -- i think the drummer was a hot chick with just a low tom and a snare. But are there others? It is interesting -- for all the talk of the VU being super influential, how many drummers actually played like Moe?
― tylerw, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Mimi in Low plays standing up.
― krakow, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Stray Cats = standing up with vv simple drum set (do they still exist? no idea)Mimi from Low = standing up with vv simple drum setButthole Surfers in the '90s = standing up (two drummers, '80s)Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds = vv simple drum set (but sitting down drummer, late '80s)
― StanM, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost :-)
― StanM, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
er... B surfers = late 80s, early 90s I guess. :-/
ah, right, Low. Probably the best example.
― tylerw, Sunday, 27 December 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
saw someone else just recently who does this too...tyvek.
― Trip Maker, Sunday, 27 December 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
They may have gotten all bright n' paisley by '69 but they were certainly no fans of hippies or West Coast rock of the time
Not really – they shared stages with the Fugs, the Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sly & the Family Stone &c. As Keenan argues in the review I mentioned upthread, the Velvets were a product of their times and they played their part as wholeheartedly as anyone else.
― anagram, Sunday, 27 December 2009 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
The art book neatly showcases their transition from "art band" to commercial rockers(or at least aspiring commercial rockers), I think. The clash between their art beginnings and their rocker aspirations is one of the things that makes them so classic.
― Trip Maker, Sunday, 27 December 2009 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
in the ny public library talk, David Fricke quotes Dean Wareham as saying that Sterling Morrison was the only person he knew who could hold forth on Moby Dick and Moby Grape with equal knowledge and passion ...
― tylerw, Sunday, 27 December 2009 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Lou says he saw all these bands at SXSW with drummers standing up a la Moe
http://www.slovenly.com/debaucha-reno/subsonics.jpg
Subsonics. And they actually really pull of a VU vibe, complete with minimal instrumentation and crazy psych shredding solos.
― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 28 December 2009 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link