A thread for the Siouxsie reissues

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Well, I'm hoping for a domestic issue like the Cure stuff...not clear yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh shit the bed. I just bought the first 6 Siouxsie discs about two years ago.

Some of these are going to be must haves though. I agree about "Kiss In The Dreamhouse".

I'm a Hyaena fan too.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Highlights of 0805 update post from admin of Siouxsie site;

"Remasters Clarification. All studio albums and Nocturne to be remastered. Not Once/Twice Upon A Time. Only The Scream and Juju have the go ahead for the deluxe double editions at present, the rest will be single CDs with three to four bonus tracks which is likely to include non album singles.

Remaining BBC Sessions are not set to appear on any other albums with the possible exception of Juju.

Early next year sees the release of Join Hands, Kaleidoscope and the deluxe double Juju provisionally all set for release in February."

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm, clarity. But not all double-discs! That's unfortunate, I'd have thought there'd be as much live/demo etc. oddball stuff around to work with as with the Cure. Different live era material would be wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too.

Slow release schedule! Kaleidoscope et al early next year? It'll be forever before the magical tri-fecta of Tinderbox/Looking Glass/Peep Show.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

My girlfriend's a big Siouxsie fan, but she said she's not getting any of the reissues until they get to the later albums either.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

b-b-b-b-but if nobody buys the early albums maybe they'll never reissue the later ones!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i will be buying them all... especially kaleidoscope, which remains my fave to this day. all of them are great, but that one stands out the most to me. as jerri blank would say... "i am as moist as a snack cake."

ehbenoit, Friday, 19 August 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm buying them all too. Great things on all of them. I wouldn't worry. A good amount of Banshees fans are pretty obsessive. Actually, they tend to be pre-disposed to being obsessed about music in general. Can't put a finger on why, but it's there.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I only have Juju and Superstition on CD, so this is perfect for me.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I only have Join Hands and Peep Show on CD so I'm definitely going to buy The Scream, A Kiss In The Dreamhouse, and Tinderbox.

That was a problem with me for the Cure re-issues. I still haven't bought the last 3 because I already have those albums in so many formats I couldn't get myself to spend that much money. Should I?

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a good time to address the remaster question. I sometimes have a hard time justifying replacing my original copies with the remasters, because a lot of the time the sound quality doesn't seem to be noticeably improved -- it's mainly mixed louder. There are noticeable exceptions, such as the remastered Raw Power, and the first four Funkadelic albums. But in the end, I usually give in when there's bonus tracks and I can trade in the old ones for a decent price.

I've been holding off on The Cure albums, because they're so damn expensive, and Boys Don't Cry is missing key tracks like "Killing An Arab" and "Plastic Passion." Has anyone compared the remasters with the originals side-by-side?

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 19 August 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

This is where a decent stereo setup really helps. But even from ripped mp3s I say there is a huge benefit to The Cure remasters. Hoping for a similar effect with the Siouxsie releases bc I think the first round of cds are pretty much garbage. (Well, the earlier ones at least.)

As for The Cure, I would skip Three Imaginary Boys, but Seventeen Seconds and Pornography are both stunning with great extras. Faith is an album I never really appreciated, but hearing it spun remastered with Carnage Visors on the end is excellent listening.

As for Siouxsie, if you've heard any of the B-Sides boxset, you'll know firsthand how much better the albums will potentially be when remastered.

I put most of it down to remater technology available now as opposed to 15+ years ago when record companies were rushing everything out to CD bc the format took off.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Saturday, 20 August 2005 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

bkjj40a seconded. The Pornography reissue is absolutely stunning, and a testament to how the remastering process really can improve on a classic album, by revealing stuff you didn't know was there and presenting the stuff you were familiar with instead of just cranking up the volume levels.

Unrelated one: does anyone know if the Downside Up box is ever getting a US release?

Unrelated two: PRINCE. MUST. BE. REMASTERED. Purple Rain and (to a bit lesser extent) Around the World in a Day are acceptable, but the rest sound absolutely horrid. Sign o' the Times especially. Flat, lifeless, way too quiet...urgh.

telephonething, who misplaced his password and is too lazy to get it resent, Saturday, 20 August 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't know for sure, but I would seriously doubt Downside Up gets a U.S. release. I think it is what it is. I mean, they never made the kind of dent The Cure did here.

Got mine for a decent price (like $60?) on one of those Amazon z shops. Check it out. Didn't take long to arrive either. The packaging is mint. The sound is mint. Also bought one for my brother as a b-day gift (and so I don't have to lend mine out).

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Saturday, 20 August 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks- I'll check it out...$60 is most definitely acceptable. Found one for $54, which I'll probably end up doing on my next payday...there are two cheaper from a "caiman.com," but I'm kind of leery of them since they seem to have everything (at least everything on my wish list), but with multiple "new" copies listed at different prices, and the same prices under the new and used sections. I'm figuring they're either pirated copies or the "new" ones are not so.

telephonething etc, Saturday, 20 August 2005 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

bkjj40a seconded. The Pornography reissue is absolutely stunning, and a testament to how the remastering process really can improve on a classic album, by revealing stuff you didn't know was there and presenting the stuff you were familiar with instead of just cranking up the volume levels.


I did but didn’t know Pornography could sound that good. The reasons why this process is taking so long and with delays is because Robert Smith wouldn't have it any other way. The other thing with the Cure is that the original issues are really poor. I feel that it's more than worth it money wise, but than again I'm a big fan.

I'm stunned that these are not going to be all double CD's. Than you say that it might be import only? Thought Siouxsie was a bit bigger.

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 20 August 2005 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Never had a problem with caiman. Mostly it's a willingness to wait a couple/few weeks. But I remember the Siouxsie boxes arriving quickly.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to have every original Siouxsie LP. Traded them in for Nurse With Wound or some such in the late 80's, to my eternal shame. I can't wait for Kaleidoscope! You later Siouxsie lovers should check that one out especially.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

When did Siouxsie and the Banshees become classic rock?

John Hunter, Saturday, 20 August 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

All kidding aside, I'm excited to see that the catalog is being given the same treatment that the Cure and Echo & The Bunnymen have received. Now we just need some decent Smiths remasters . . .

John Hunter, Saturday, 20 August 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Since you asked Fastnbulbous, here is ILM's thread regarding the Cure remasteres. It's ridiculously long but if you scroll down to when the last three were released (April or so) than you can see where people starting talking about the sound quality difference between the originals and the newer remastered ones.

A thread for the Cure reissues

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 20 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll buy all the Siouxsie reissues, too! The only Siouxsie I have right now, sadly, is Join Hands and Twice Upon a Time. I just REALLY want A Kiss in the Dreamhouse and Nocturne.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Shame about the lack of rarities. I'd been curious to hear some of the stuff of the 'Kaleidoscope' era. Did they play those songs live?

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

They played Red Light all the time. Christine and Happy House too.

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Saturday, 20 August 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post Caiman.com has been fine, the couple of times I've ordered from them (via Amazon).

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 21 August 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

So, I guess the "roxy" gig remains unreleased?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Scream appears first on October 4"

Hurrah!

"# Make Up To Break Up (Riverside Session)
# Love In A Void (Peel Session)
# Mirage (Peel Session)
# Metal Postcard (Peel Session)
# Suburban Relapse (Peel Session)
# Hong Kong Garden (Peel Session)
# Overground (Peel Session)
# Carcass (Peel Session)
# Helter Skelter (Peel Session)
# Metal Postcard (Pathway Session)
# Suburban Relapse’ (Pathway Session)
# Staircase (Mystery) (Pathway Session)
# Mirage (Pathway Session)
# Nicotine Stain (Pathway Session)
# Hong Kong Garden (7” Single Version)
# Staircase (Mystery) (7” Single Version)

So once again (as with The Cure reissues) you're expected to buy the Downside Up box if you want "Voices" or "20th Century Boy"; and most importantly where's "Captain Scarlet"?!?

"Surely, the next one will have the "Live at the punk festival" version of "The Lords Prayer" etc... ?"

Logically (chronologically) I'd have thought it really should be on this one - although it really is pretty bloody dreadful and; unless there are substantially better quality recordings of it about than any IIII've ever heard; I can't imagine it ever being legitimately released.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:57 (eighteen years ago) link

True, true, but seeing as how album one is rounding up the demos and peel sessions, and how album two took on the Lords Prayer stuff, it seemed to be the place to put it.

Oh yeah, "Captain Scarlet!"

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 August 2005 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what about "bad shape" only have that on a couple of real dodgy bootlegs and a seg of them performing it on that Punk Rock Movie video. it is quite hilarious and rough...

ehbenoit, Monday, 22 August 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also "Scraphead and "Psychic".

There are studio demos available for all of these!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

heyyyyyy, i don't have those. i'm missing something!!

ehbenoit, Monday, 22 August 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

As a result, you shall not be suffered to live. You fake fan. (I don't have those either.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I am actually kind of happy to be coming into Siouxsie fandom after the fact because I really don't know what I'm missing with these reissues, so the fact that they exist at all makes me feel all funny inside.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I might buy 'The Scream' reissue just to be able to listen to "Overground" at an even more satisfying volume.

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't get too excited - unfortunately The Banshees kind of peaked with the first album (if truth be told their second one in particular is a bit of a dog!) and it's certainly the only one that really warrants this sort of double-disc reissue treatment.

(x-post)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, their first album isn't Tinderbox!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it's The Scream, which is considerably better.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Tinderbox and The Scream are tied for no. 1 in my household.

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I'd put Kaleidoscope above Tinderbox ('though still below The Scream).

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

you think their peak is the scream?? i always felt that kaleidoscope was the best. i love most of their records, but i think that is the priceless one... and i do kind of like the over-indulgence of join hands as well.

ehbenoit, Monday, 22 August 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

It seems they're finally releasing Nocturne on DVD soon too.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Tinderbox is a perfect album. The Scream is not.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"you think their peak is the scream??"

Yup. Completely blew me away the first time I heard it; none of the others have ever really come close.

"Tinderbox is a perfect album. The Scream is not."

Tinderbox was a predictable album. The Scream was not.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Predictable how?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Predictable in that it sounded (in the nicest possible way) just like you'd expect a Banshees album to sound!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

The only Banshees album I'd heard before Tinderbox was Peepshow, which kind of does its own thing in a fairly different manner. Even Hyaena and Juju sound markedly different to me thanks to production style, plus the songs can't be fucked with (particularly that second side! OMG). And none of them sound anything like Superstition or The Scream or the bits I've heard of Join Hands and Kaleidescope.

It's kind of akin to saying, "Oh, that just sounds like a typical Cure album" when none of them really sound alike (ESPECIALLY pre-1989).

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(IOW, STEP OFF GRANDPA YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND *slams bedroom door*)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

And thus the goth/punk wars began.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's kind of akin to saying, "Oh, that just sounds like a typical Cure album" when none of them really sound alike (ESPECIALLY pre-1989)."

Actually I've always thought that Seventeen Seconds and Faith very definitely belong together stylistically. ;~P

Be that as it may 'though, I'm not particularly saying that any particular album sounds specifically like any preceding one, just that (in the both cases) pretty much everything that either band released from, say, 1984 onwards was immediately recognisable as being by that band, and that from that point onwards the contents of each band's musical pallette was always far more familiar than it was unfamiliar.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought they all sounded great loud on my stereo. It's only since I put them on my mp3 and listened through headphones that I began to notice some of the drop outs etc. Like I said though, I don't have any originals to compare with so I can't speak with any authority at all really. The music is superb though. Can't believe I overlooked them for so long.

AnotherDeadHero, Monday, 22 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I must have cloth ears - all of this has passed me by. Will have a listen to some of this tonight. I'm not really that fussed about the odd glitch though.

Same here, actually. I didn't get the fuss about either the Siouxsie or the New Order reissues -- both sound just fine to my ears, but maybe I'm just "not listening critically enough" or what have you.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 22 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I R DUMB, I only just got the reissue of Join Hands today. HFS

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 6 January 2011 07:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I will, when I see one in Fopp for FoppPrice.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 January 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Really? Aside from the singles "Join Hands" never really grabbed me. What are you hearing that makes you react that way?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

steve severin's fb page states they are doing a 20 disc mega box including a dvd and all the albums and singles.

akm, Sunday, 11 September 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link

20?? Let's see... 11 proper albums, "Nocturne", 4 discs from "Downside Up", 3 from "At The BBC", one for that 1981 gig he mentions on his page. That's 20!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 11 September 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

first album was a double in the remasters, rest just had bonus tracks. doubt the BBC seshs 'd be in this. that's 18!

challopian rubes (sic), Sunday, 11 September 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Funny, when I managed to get JoinHands for Foppcheap, I thought it a reasonably consistent album up to the Lords Prayer. Like sides 3 and 3.5 of "The Scream"...

This version of TLP seemed quite different to the muffled Roxy live version I had in song 'bits'. I nearly fell off my chair (I was driving) when her bit of "Knocking on Heavens Door" went into the Legendary Stardust Cowboy track.

It's totally mad, daftest thing they ever did. I'm assuming the original was meant to have more (um..) menace behind it.

Mark G, Monday, 12 September 2011 08:52 (twelve years ago) link

who exactly would buy such a "megabox"?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2011 11:52 (twelve years ago) link

Not me for a kickoff.

Mark G, Monday, 12 September 2011 11:56 (twelve years ago) link

middle-aged goth bank managers.

challopian rubes (sic), Monday, 12 September 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

If they hadn't been doing the reissues, I would have

Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Monday, 12 September 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

FINALLY

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2014/07/07/siouxsie-banshees-final-four-reissue/

Due September 15th. No further track details yet.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 July 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Updated, release on Oct. 13, no tracklists yet:

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2014/08/22/siouxsie-and-the-banshees-final-4-expanded-reissues-confirmed-for-oct-13-release/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 August 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link

Further:

It appears the Banshees’ archival releases indeed won’t be limited to the final four reissues. Dropping further hints on the Banshees’ Facebook group, Severin this week wrote, “Something else drops on Oct. 20th. Another thing in November. Something in the New Year and something BIG in March.”

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 August 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Well, these came out! But I have yet to get them, and it turns out maybe that was a good thing in one case:

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2014/11/01/siouxsie-banshees-peepshow-mastering-error-reissue/

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 November 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link

Yeah that's annoying

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Sunday, 2 November 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

I am really, really starting to sink into the oppressively smothering hollow shell that is Join Hands

DJP, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, that was the last Siouxsie album I went back and got - 20 years after first getting into them!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link

Something about enduring MN-esque winter temperatures for the past 6 weeks for the first time in over 20 years combined with more concentrated snow than I've ever seen in my life has pushed me into the exact right headspace to appreciate every nook and cranny of this album, which has not kept me from looping "Icon" and "Playground Twist" for hours at a time.

DJP, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link

that's a great album. it was unfairly maligned for a long time.

akm, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 04:52 (nine years ago) link

JH always seemed a bit short despite the superfluois padding (Lord's Prayer - yawn) but the highs (ICON! Premature Burial!) definitely kicked my ass as a wee goth

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 09:49 (nine years ago) link

Join Hands was always the one that seemed the most remarkable to me. Like, Kaleidoscope has better jams, but Join Hands is just this dark vision

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 11:12 (nine years ago) link

Yeah it shows the band that they could have been but I guess the departure of the rhytm section acted as a reset button for them

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 11:16 (nine years ago) link

Not quite rhythm! (Guitarist/drummer.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 13:21 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

The Join Hands remaster is great.

And jeez, I forgot how punishing of an album it is. Squally squally distortion everywhere.

Austin, Saturday, 12 December 2015 03:26 (eight years ago) link

the vinyl remaster with the original artwork?

akm, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

so, the new boxset.

having not heard the previous set of remasters with extra tracks, i have to say this new cheap-n-cheerful boxset of the first 6 albums (coverart by one of our own !), sounds fantastic.

or, am i not an enough of a fanboy to notice the subtle f*ck ups ?

mark e, Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link

wait who did the cover art don't make me buy this thing I have literally everything on it

its subtle brume (DJP), Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link

in multiple formats

its subtle brume (DJP), Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link

if they did an all-encompassing box covering the first two albums and attendant singles, and all previous....

"Oh, Ted, that would be amazin, woah yeah! Just that Ted..."

Mark G, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link

ahh : checked the post, not 'DID', but 'DIG'.
sorry to have raised excitement levels.
still, no left/right dropouts as mentioned on various s&b threads/discussion groups.
tis a very slimline boxset, no credits, nothing.
but, exactly what i wanted.
though having heard the 14 minute 'lords prayer' track, i aint so sure now !

mark e, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link

haha

its subtle brume (DJP), Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link

This box arrived at my house on Sunday. Ten minutes after I left for a week :(

Ad h (onimo), Friday, 5 February 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link

this is exactly the kind of box set I want to replace my grocery bags full of cassettes.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link

thanks to thread bump for alerting me to this:

http://www.discogs.com/Siouxsie-And-The-Banshees-At-The-BBC/release/1800195

and wow, Downside Up sure needs a repress!

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link

wow this box is cheap. i will probably buy it; I just sold almost all my cds but still.

akm, Friday, 5 February 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link

xp yeah a Downside Up reissue for a reasonable price would be awesome. But please god not in a clamshell box.

we salute you, our half-inflated dark lord (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 6 February 2016 03:12 (eight years ago) link


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