― gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Friday, 22 November 2002 02:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
'Deceit' is a total utter classic, apart from the lyrics which are just war cliches strung together, but they don't really spoil it. The alien mood that This Heat creates is like nothing else I've heard.
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ^Diego^ (dhadis), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
deceit in probably the one object i'd save from the Post Punk File if the house was burning down. (excepting metal box, of course, and possibly chairs missing or the early scritti singles.) there are ideas in songs on there that could (and have) supported entire bands careers. (i do agree with mark that ubu towers above t.h., but i get out by not considering p.u. post punk ho ho.) the earlier stuff has never really done it for me; "health and efficiency" is obv one of the 20 or 30 greatest singles ever made; "24 track loop" is prescient beyond its years, although thankfully it doesnt make a big deal out of it.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
However my musical tastes have changed (OK, broadened) quite a bit since and I do keep hovering over a copy of Deceipt - in fact I would almost certainly have picked it up a couple of weeks ago if it wasn't so piggin' expensive.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
Isn't it terrible having yr old threads revived? It's like being shown rotten old photos of yrself.
Still, I had to put on 'Health and Efficency' while online, so gd. I still prefer the 1st alb, tho' - 'Not Waving' never fails to get me all choked up (J. Savage gets it wrong in 'England's Dreaming', btw - the song only borrows a title from Stevie Smith, not the actual text of her poem.)
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 24 November 2002 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
(oh, and jess, did you write about them on rebellious jukebox or something? i'm sure it was something you'd written that made me get deceit, but it clearly wasn't here).
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
It took a while for me to warm up to Deceit though. I liked it enough, but thought the first record was a bit better. But I read a review a while back that made me dig Deceit out from the bin.Which is strange for two reasons: 1) It was a review at AMG, 2) I don't usually like something because of a review. But that review was so well written it ignited my curiosity for a record I already owned! Maybe it was a little too out there for me when I first heard it. Now I think Deceit is as good if not better then first record. I don't care much about the lyrics, so it doesn't detract for the totally wild sounds on Deceit.
Only recently heard the Peel Sessions. A lot of material form the first album. The version of "Horizontal Hold" is just awesome.
The comparisons to Can and Pere Ubu are not so far fetched, in my opinion. They all share a somewhat "unorthodox" approach, and the loopy & dizzying rhythms.
Hey Mark S, you crazy Brit! Your awesome. Pere Ubu are one of my favorite bands. But my obsession of Can surpasses my love for any other bands combined. Nice to hear someone else likes 'em.
In short, I say Classic! Get them all. The self-titled first record, Deceit, The Peel Sessions, and whatever else you can find. They made music that really sounds like nothing else.
Great band. I wished more bands were so daring and strange. I like those qualities. This is just a fan's perspective.
― Juan (Juan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
(toby, yeah i wrote something way way back in like the first month of the jukebox a year ago, a really hyper-personal thing...it was my version of church of me! [that is not a diss.])
― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 24 November 2002 03:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 24 November 2002 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
One word of warning before you visit the site 'though - they're currently having a sale....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 5 January 2003 02:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
this is such a wonderful record, still.
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:53 (twenty years ago) link
(You're just trying to get me to say "fuckin' hippies" again, aren't you Gaz?)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:58 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link
― msp, Friday, 15 August 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link
It's still very bold music, BTW.
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
― T. Weiss (Timmy), Friday, 15 August 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
― radio morocco (radio morocco), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago) link
― prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago) link
― radio morocco (radio morocco), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago) link
― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know. Their records are pretty much out of print. The only CD pressings I have seen for sale are imports that cost $35 bucks and I won't pony up to find out.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link
Deceit, Made Available, Repeat and the 7cm Health & Efficiency are all available from http://www.rermegacorp.com .
As regards the first one, according to http://www.theserecords.com , "a re-mastered and re-packaged CD version is being prepared for release"; however they also told me that this was "'almost' ready to go into production,and hopefully could be available soon" over a year ago; so I wouldn't hold your breath.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 15 April 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 15 April 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 16 April 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link
allow me to be the only one to disagree w/ the first response up there saying Pere Ubu (?, *snore* overrated critics fave) is better. other than the crap comparison made, Deceit is a great record and Camberwell Now were certainly not boring (esp. the Ghost Trade record).
― sherm, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
Here's the info:
http://www.theserecords.com/files/flamingtunes.html
It took me a while, but I love the Tago Mago tape very much now.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
sounds pretty great
http://www.othermusic.com/perl-bin/OM/CD_Show_Info.cgi?ID=8733342.25849&catalog_id=41976
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
JaXoN,
does this work for you?
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link
amazing, thanks.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link
oh, and about half way through charles and charles who didn't speak at any other point had a conversation about gareth williams which was extremely touching and very amusing. then they launched into "paper hats".
― stirmonster, Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:57 (eight years ago) link
oh my god
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 06:27 (eight years ago) link
Barbican June 17th:http://www.barbican.org.uk/music/event-detail.asp?ID=19383
― めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 14:41 (eight years ago) link
also confirmed for Stuart Lee's ATP, which I am sorely tempted by
― Gaz upon my works ye mighty, and despair (Neil S), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link
https://vine.co/v/inpweqVVWeI
:D
― am0n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1496/24369393733_b0d04771db_c.jpg
― am0n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
i tried to bring them to glasgow but to make it work the ticket price would have to be ridiculously high or else i'd have to have the confidence that around 1000 glaswegians would want to see them.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link
anybody go? reports?http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/14/this-is-not-this-heat-review-cafe-oto🔗
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/14/this-is-not-this-heat-review-cafe-oto🔗
went on the friday and it was really excellent. I don't think double bassist john edwards played on Saturday which is a shame as it added considerable weight and atmosphere to quieter sections.
sparse solo sets from hayward and bullen were both great and set the scene for the main play of denser forces v well.
wish i had a recording of it all in fact.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
Holy shit, yes.
The band will play USA in 2018 https://t.co/R00r4mMAIa— ThisIsNotThisHeat (@NotThisHeat) December 3, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 December 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
Oh man, will travel for this...
― Soundslike, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
yep
― sleeve, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
STOKED
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 3 December 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
!
https://www.thechapelsf.com/event/1865011-this-is-not-this-heat-san-francisco/
Um, yes please. Needless to say I already have my ticket.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 May 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
There's also an LA date and what appears to be a final show ever in NYC, having played their last UK show the other night.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 May 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
Who is in the full line up?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 30 May 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
just saw TINTH in LA last month, but we're going again - do not miss this!
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
conflict with Mekons tour :(
― Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 31 May 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
Well last night was something. Never thought I'd get a chance to see any incarnation so seeing this was both very welcome and really wonderful.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 July 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
Have they had any 'influence'?
Looks like it.
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 July 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
Listening to first This Heat album on Youtube. I guess I should buy em from Bandcamp (not streaming on Spotify)
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 3 August 2019 01:50 (four years ago) link
all time classic IMO
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link
ReR Megacorp still has their £5 CD sale going on (you need to buy a minimum of 4) - free shipping to Europe and the Americas! The pound-to-dollar exchange rate is currently at its most favorable (toward the dollar) as it's been in at least 15 years, so that's just 6 dollars a CD.
https://www.rermegacorp.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=RM&Screen=SPECIALOFFERS
The sale includes: "This Heat," "Health and Efficiency," "Repeat," "Live 80/81," "Made Available," "All's Well" by Camberwell Now, two Charles Hayward albums, and "The Recommended Sampler" (2xCD) with the This Heat track "Pool" (a variation of "24 Track Loop"/"Repeat") that isn't on the This Heat boxed set.
― ernestp, Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
they've been strict about mostly not doing encores, the set is basically every song from both albums & then ending with 'Health and Efficiency', with an extended extra-intense focus on the one-chord coda. then everyone at the SF show stomped for five minutes straight -- the whole time I was wondering what they'd even play if they came out, they'd played everything, and when they came out... they launch right back into an addition 15 minutes of the one-chord coda and I can't even tell you
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
/additional
so I went home and played the 12"
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:15 (four years ago) link
I am so mad I missed this. I had a ticket, then I had .... a problem.
― sarahell, Saturday, 3 August 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
super jealous you got the additional 15 minutes.
i tried so hard to bring this show to glasgow, where i feel we'd also have got those additional 15 minutes, but the finances of it sadly defeated me.
still happy i got to see it one time though.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 3 August 2019 04:30 (four years ago) link
so is it true that they are playing some of Gareth Williams' actual old vocal/instrumental tracks onstage? I saw something on a Dimeadozen torrent listing that really confused me
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 05:42 (four years ago) link
ooooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io5p0HzC89k
― StanM, Saturday, 3 August 2019 05:49 (four years ago) link
Awesome, thanks for this info.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 August 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
Just noticed that the SF show is up on D!me
― MaresNest, Saturday, 3 August 2019 10:35 (four years ago) link
^^ yes, that's what confused me, it lists Williams in the lineup
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
I saw two of the brooklyn shows and there was maybe 1 song where Bullen did some live sampling/processing where I'd say there's a tiny chance something was pre-recorded (though I doubt it), otherwise not. I'd imagine it's just a mistake.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 3 August 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
thanks! I regret missing these shows but I just couldn't make it work
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
fyi“..the entire extent of prerecorded stuff we've used is the "Testcard" sound from the beginning/end of the first album, a little loop at the end of "Paper Hats", and a bit of the "Graphic/Varispeed" drone during an instrument changeover section. Everything else is played live by the people on stage.”
― Fizzles, Sunday, 4 August 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
New Charles Hayward collaboration here and it's pretty great:
https://godunknownrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hayward-versus-harmergeddon
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
every time i give This Heat (the album, and band) a good listen, i'm so impressed.
is the song "Horizontal Hold", particularly the first minute or two, the foundation of "post-hardcore", whether you hear that in some fugazi, drive like jehu, whatever?
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
― Juan (Juan), Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:46 PM (eighteen years ago)
hell yeah
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 6 May 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link