Arctic Monkeys

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whatever you say they are, that's what they're not.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

What do you think of Al Jolson, apal?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom's cock on. "Ee, there's trouble at' mill" WC caricatures are another form of minstrelsy.

I'm thinking six, six, six (noodle vague), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got nothing but love for blackfaces.

[apal apple, Monday, 13 March 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I know fine well the singer is quite middle-class. I've heard him talk in interviews. But here is an example of an Arctic Monkey fan from another board, I'm sure a fairly typical example as well. Notice how important the class element is:

'oasis are actually very talented.

clever talleneted and sucessful.

the furries, were sh*te, and more like a 3rd rate pub band.

brit pop was a huge movement throught the nineties and very succesful, and i doubt you'd have the sh*t art rock bands that pussy foot around today if if it wasnt for that.

artic monkeys say it perfectly

"the weekend rockstars in the toilets practisicing there lines"
"super cool bands with there trilbys and glasses of white wine"'

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a good long piece waiting to be written about trad-rock/dad-rock's appropriation of nostalgicised working class values and the misguided notion of Working Class Authenticity. Pop Idol and The X Factor are working class. The Monkeys and the line of bands that spawned them are more When the Boat Comes In. Except WtBCI was good. And it's 2006.

I'm thinking six, six, six (noodle vague), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd be tempted to argue that the *values* of the working and middle class (no such thing, ahem) have in fact switched and thats whats got us a little confused.

[apal wdw, Monday, 13 March 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd bet that 99% of people who lay claims of working class misrepresentation have no idea what the working class actually thinks, or anything much at all about their lives. They'd probably kick your ass, ya pansy internet pontificator.

And anyway musical history is full of people outside of a music's cultural area of origin wanting to be part of that scene. I think what have people upset here is the Arctic Monkeys are a throwback to a type of music they personally don't much like and don't want to see it gain any traction. Doesn't the UK know they should be listening to Grime?! Dizzee needs to eat too! Come on!

lykvun stratta, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

bingo bango, stratta.

[apal class hero, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't give one fuck about grime and I still think the arctic monkeys are boring. The lives and thoughts of working class ppl are not homogenous.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:46 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
If this band were to take a Beatles song and change but one note, they'd still find a way to write a wholly unmemorable melody.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

All this "rock" sounds the same to me. It is a problem I've had for a long time now. I am scared that I am going insane. THis is not a joke. Think about it, if I can see this so clearly, but no one else does.... whos the insane one, really??? I dont like having battles and arguments inside my head. IS IT JUST ME or does the guitar on any 'rock' release (arctic monkeys etc) sound the bloody same as any guitar on a ashlee simpson track? The mixes are all about highlighting the voice and the music is terrrible. Arctic Monkeys are not "the best thing since..." for anything, neither is wolfmother, nor the van shes, nor any of these people. I'm sorry. I think I am going insane, but at least in MY OWN WORLD in my head, I am right. There are people cheering for me right now. there

lovethefrench (lovethefrench), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

it's you....you are insane.

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Getting back on topic...

The new tracks on the EP were very disappointing.
As I suspected, they're already on the rocky/rockist road to self-mythologising/self-justification.
They should concentrate on their music instead of getting bogged down over what people, contributors to this thread included, think of them.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

All this "rock" sounds the same to me.

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/imperfect-sound-forever.htm

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice piece Nick. Foucault took acid though.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

THAT WAS THE ONLY JOKE IN THE WHOLE ARTICLE.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Just pulling yr leg ;)

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The original five-track demo Arctic Monkeys CD I got sent 12/18 months ago was definitely less smoothed out than the album version. That horrible metallic drum clank at the beginning of "Dancefloor" was a noticeable annoyance. It's the equivalent of permanently having the "surround" option on your domestic stereo switched on; great if you want glare and "immediate impact," less for sonic subtlety, climaxes and grace.

This is another reason why The Drift comes as such a sonic delight (relatively speaking); the emotional peaks and troughs of the music are accurately mirrored and recreated (the truly cinemascopic drum avalanche at the beginning of "Cossacks Are," Donald Duck plus orchestra in "The Escape," etc.).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

sick mouthy,

interesting article, but personally i think its a more sinister problem, relating to the streamlining of sound to make people less aware of 'quality', and making music more easy to manufacture. can you create another pink floyd? no. can you create another arctic monkeys? yes. they both make money. only one is a product that can be made instantaneously. one is legendary, one is crap.. but its relative. and relative to the current state of music lovers, crap is apparently good. :)

lovethefrench (lovethefrench), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed, Marcello, The Drift is, sonically at least, one of the most refreshing things I've heard in a long time. Scott was eager to mention in interviews how little compression they used during recording, mixing and mastering. (In fact he may well have said they used none.)

X-post - lovethefrench - that's something I'm looking into now, actually, the A&R marketing aspect of it.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I was at the swimming baths yesterday and "God Only Knows" was playing - good place to listen to it, caverny Victorian high high ceiling and all - and I got to thinking about the famous sense of competition between Wilson and the Beatles. The idea that musicians take 18 months just working out new ideas, striving to surpass themselves or to do something utterly new...I can't think of any current parallels, really. (Maybe Radiohead but maybe not wholly successfully.) But it seemed to be accepted practice up to the mid 80s at least. And whilst it isn't the only way of making music, and it mainly seems to apply to Rock (although compare, say, Marvin Gaye's career to the way that each innovation in RnB now is made by a new act, or the producer that utilises that act) and it pains me to think it, and it isn't blanketly true or wholly negative, there is a MacDonaldisation of music that's accelerated over the last 10 years.

Which is off-topic, but came to mind re: looking at marketing and turnover of acts.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree, yet oxymoronically bands release fewer albums with greater gaps that cost more to produce than ever before, which seems ridiculous.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link

And, really, you have to blame the Beatles for starting that.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Aren't the gaps filled with more or less solid touring or promotion, tho? As opposed to actually having the time and space to think and try out ideas?

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:02 (eighteen years ago) link

can you create another pink floyd? no. can you create another arctic monkeys? yes. they both make money. only one is a product that can be made instantaneously. one is legendary, one is crap..

or BOTH

re. touring & promo -- yer beatles and stones were always on tour weren't they?

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

ten years ago i could tell you why supergrass were better than supernaturals, but with this particular bunch of guitar bands i'm totally out on a limb, taking them as i find them.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The Beatles packed in the touring round about the time they started the taking a long time to produce rekkids.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

and started with the sucking.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:12 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a bit unfair, but they gave up after recording 'revolver', and they almost split as a result.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe. It's the process that interests me, or rather the current absence of process.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:13 (eighteen years ago) link

the difference:

1966: five or six major record labels run by people who had been around since days of al bowlly/glenn miller, didn't really have a clue about what the kids liked so were happy to throw anything into the mixer to see what came out.

2006: three or four multinational shareholder-driven organisations relying on instant returns, usually run by people who weren't even around in days of cobain, decided by committee what the kids should like so unhappy to throw anything into any mixer which doesn't sound like something that already came out, and therefore will make immediate money.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

That sounds painfully true. Which is why there are still plenty of Phil Spectors, but almost no Brian Wilsons.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

in the case of coldplay it's just that they aren't very talented.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i've still never heard an arctic monkeys song. am v happy and proud of this.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link

You get the feeling with Coldplay that the record company is so desperate for them to be massive that the records themselves are almost irrelevant.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure i've heard 'i bet that you look good...'. i've def heard the sugababes version.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I notice everyone who raved over XY&Z six months ago now universally deem it a "disappointment."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

or X&Y, or whatever the third Coldplay album was called (£4 in Berwick Street MVE!).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

or BOTH

perhaps i should have been more specific... lets say... the dark side of the moon period, the meddle period.. NOT the wall period

lovethefrench (lovethefrench), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate dark side of the moon!

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate dark side of the moon

okay... hate what you want...

but man, you're missing out

lovethefrench (lovethefrench), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

lol

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i've never heard any pink floyd either.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

you aren't missing much.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't think so.

the people who are missing out, are the people who haven't heard it's about time by christina milian.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link

That's enough It's About Time spam!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard it. It isn't all that.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

but have you heard her new single 'say i', marcello? that is TOTALLY all that.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Heard all of the new album, too. Didn't really relight my fire, I'm sorry to say.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link


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