Black Acid Rock - S/D

black acid rock = BAR = HEADBAND rock!

jason, we got confuzed cuzza the thread title, but the electric prunes shoulda been a tip off.

Rusty Bryant!! "Fire Eater" is the funkiest cut I know. It's funkier than a mosqueeter's tweeter. Idris Mohammad forevah!

great thread--actually I'm just listening to the two Mer-Da records friend of mine burned me. The second one from '72, "Long Burn the Fire," is definitely the better of the two. But I like the somewhat simpler and more Hendrix-like first one from '67 pretty well too.

I've got the Dave Matthews/James Brown "Sho Is Funky Down Here," which was JB's last King LP. It's really not exactly acid-rock, more like King Crimson or something, which isn't necessarily bad.

Ulmer's "Black Rock" is pretty great in this vein. And I like the Muddy Waters and Wolf electric Chess records.

yeah, fire eater is the bomb.

I was actually going to link to that dub metal thread above, since it's the one where some deaf numbskull kept denying that the Chambers Brothers had anything to do with heavy metal, but I restained myself.

And then, after I cleaned up my shirt, I restrained myself as well.

screw the thread title. Joe Farrell!!! Joe Beck!!! Larry Coryell!!!

Gabor Szabo, muthafuckas!!!!!!!

{True story: One of my favorite free band T-Shirts I ever got in the mail was a nice striped brown one for the band Staind (from before I even knew who they were, as they were still unfamous), which I wore real often until it actually wound up *getting* stained. Crazy, huh?}

chuck, you gotta send that story to readers digest immediately.

And once, I was in the car listening to the oldies station, that Chuck Berry line about seatbelts not budging was on the radio at the EXACT MOMENT that my seatbelt wouldn't open. (Hey, I got a million of 'em. And I do not make these things up! How could I?)

Anyway, what the hell:

RFI : Dub metal

Dammit I worked my ASS off on this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dalek is kind of dub metal at times. Larry Coryell did do some very rowdy jazz-rock raveups with black music elements, provided in large part by actual black people, in Eleventh House and some other bands before and after. Joe Beck played with Esther Phillips, but before that alnum, she did PERFORMANCE, with Jon Sholle and another guy, who also played for Motown, and they did foreboding funk with metallic tendrils of bass and slide, weird tonality in the EQ too, like on "I Feel The Same," and "Disposable Society." But they didn't do that kind of thing on all the tracks. Etta James did that one (self-titled?) with "All The Way Down," that makes Mick Jagger "seem like" apussy in comparison, and her cover of Randy Newman's "God's Song" makes "black metal" of the Nordic persuasion "seem like" a pussy. Not a literal pussy, for that would be more than okay of course.

this thread is fucked

Sorry. What did you want that you haven't gotten?

no it's perfect. perfectly fucked

jason, forreelz, joe farrell's Upon This Rock. funkyfuzzbreakbeet heaven!!!!

maybe "fucked" is a GOOD thing??

You got a lot of fuckin information for free.based on what you said you wanted, for the most part.

are u guyz drunk? jason, said it was perfect. perfectly fucked. he's happy.

Speaking of black acid rock & Sly Stone and the relative lack of fuzz-guitars on the Family Stone records (hundreds of posts ago), howbout the amplified-harmonica-wah-wahed-all to hell that Sly played throughout "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey" and "Sex Machine"? That was a WILD sound! Further out than Frampton's talkbox, even. How come nobody else ever pursued that sound? (At least to my knowledge.)

You guys have covered Love already, right? Seems to me that Arthur Lee sounded blacker as the guitars got noisier. At least up until his '72 solo LP, which I've never heard.

(Onward I go, to Chuck's dub metal thread)

Not to be pedantic, but David Axelrod and Galt MacDermot (correct spelling) are white.

I third whoever said Blo. Also, check out the Nigeria 70 comp on Strut and the Ghana Soundz comp on Sound Way.

Yeah, seriously Jason, what the fuck is wrong with you dude?? Galt MacDermot and David Axelrod are WHITE!! Get those mofos the FUCK off this thread.

Uh, what part of Black Acid Rock don't you understand?

oh, I understand it! although, I'm not sure I understand how a couple horn drenched african beat groups fit the bill. (what I *really* don't understand is the idea that there are no female guitar "virtuosos", but that's neither here nor there.)

I was just amused that you seemingly missed the 100 or so posts where everyone just sort of goofed around and played around with the idea of the racial boundary, and you went straight after Jason's first post on the thread -- written well over a year ago -- where he was basically feeling out the territory and looking for recommendations. And you used that irritating "I don't want to [x], BUT" construction. And Chuck already made the same point you did anyway, except funnier. The whole thread had a nice arc and teleology, winding up with Jason's "perfectly fucked" comment -- and provided many laffs along the way. Don't take my silly post as anything more than another grenade lobbed in that general direction.

I started reading this thread, went to dinner (w/ four beers), came home, watched a TiVoed 'Queer Eye' and drank two more beers. Various notes made during visits to this thread:

I'm in the Chuck/Don camp, which is to say I agree in a let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom sense with what George said on the first Funkadelic album (on two separate cuts): "Loan me yr funky mind so I can play with it, FOR NOTHING IS GOOD UNLESS YOU PLAY WITH IT."

New Kingdom rules. Justin Warfield, in my opinion, never got fucked up enough to realize he was playing music in the first place.

The Slash/GNR thang is obviously gamin' on ya, but didn't his dad do art direction for 'Court and Spark,' come to think of it? One thing to think of: Slash might well have been like Martin Chambers, who once noted that he never knew what the words to Pretenders songs were . . . which obviously never kept him from doing his job in 10/10 fashion.

Weird, but I keep reading "Rusty Bryant" as "Rusty Warren."

this thread is full of people spouting some sort of 'hip retro 70s slang'. strange reading.

that aside, im with whoever doesnt get how afrobeat is in this thread.

Dick, your ears are as grey as your show (treatment of women always v. etro on there too, despite over-all fresh-for-TV-anywayness.)

i listened to that BLO cd last night, and besides that one track with the fuzz guitars, i wasn't really feeling it

i have a show?!

do some slapstick, ya lovable alkie!

*does the black acid rock dance with chuck eddy*

b-b-but you guys are white!?

(right?)

*does the white acid rock dance to cover up*

well actually, i dont know about chuck but im not white.

i'm white but i'm also from detroit if that matters.

not that it matters of course, but:

being a white guy from detroit (like, um, jack white) = less white/a different kind of white guy?

I was just listening to New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap this morning. I went to see them once (opening for the Red Aunts, at Maxwell's), but only one of them showed up. I was really pissed, too; I hear they had a lap steel guitar player in their live band.

At the risk of un-fuckery: Anybody ever heard Hanson, a group that released a couple of LP's on Manticore (Emerson Lake & Palmer's label) in the early 70s? They were a black power trio led by a guitar player named Junior Hanson, and the one album I've got gets funky & fuzzy in places, & sometimes verges on a Mahogany Rush level of psych-ness. Not the most killer album on the shelf, but it definitely has moments that sound like Black Acid Rock.

i hear the youngest one is really blossoming!

Hey now!

Commodores "Machine Gun," maybe?
And Hot Chocolate, "Heaven is in the Back Seat of My Cadillac"? (okay, maybe that one's stretching things even by my standards.)

Jeepers, I missed this thread and then some.

dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)

I kept thinking I was the only one who knew about this album!

Has anyone mentioned the Veldt yet? (Besides me, right this second.)

Scott OTM about that Divine Styler album, as with the New Kingdom one.

i have the Divine Style album. its freaky stuff .. i need to get that one out and rediscover as i was expecting a hip hop album (a la Word Direct on mo'wax) and its anything but so it got filed away .. but now i am much more interested .. also .. deffo on the New Kingdom tip. i mean show me another hip hop album that namecheck Foetus and Jamie Hewlett. this alone indicates where their heads were at. superb albums .. both of them ..
re Justin Warfield .. he's still at it .. up til recently in Tape who were more in the heavy stoner rock tip .. a nice few mp3's but now all burnt up. anyone got more detail on his recent whereabouts ..(other than tha placebo/LHB appearance etc)
ta. mark e/ireallylovemsuic

the last i heard from the new kingdom dudes was when they were on that Ice album a while back.

here's what i wrote about divine when i reviewed his last album:

On his debut 10 years ago, Divine's acid-drenched linguistic seminars were already fully formed— one song's centerpiece was the sound of an extremely painful childbirth. But it was 1992's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns of Light that would make Divine a household name (at least in houses where all the scary drugs were). It still stands as the most deranged and psychically damaged rap record of all time. It's a harrowing and epic tale of the war between Satan and God for Divine's soul and the inner torment he goes through in order to achieve wisdom and enlightenment . . . oh, and be careful of gothic stonecutters, too. At times funky and beautiful, there really isn't anything else like it (not even that time the Jungle Brothers were picking up bad habits from Bill Laswell). You had to worry for the man's mental health— even his mommy wonders at one point if he's "psycho-spastic."

okedoke. now tell me more re Jungle bros vs Bill Laswell. as i have a fair bit of the laswell tainted hiphop stuff .. been a while since i dug it though as i go through periods of complete disinterest with laswelf stuff ..