Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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i want katy lied played at my funeral

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

"The violin-playing monitor mixer was named Jim Jacobs and he had a habit of incessantly playing a tape of Bob Dylan's 'Visions of Johanna' through Steely Dan's sound system before gigs, a custom Becker and Fagen would refer to in 'Doctor Wu'.... 'All night long/We would sing that stupid song' referred to Dylan's 'Visions of Johanna.' (RITY, p. 66)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

also xpost -- The Minutemen covered Dr. Wu by SD...

also, one thing that struck me about reading This Band Could Be Your LIfe was how the whole punk/70s rock "war" was largely bullshit anyway (at least for the bands in that book)...I mean all those kids like 70s/60s/classic rock...Ian MacKaye and Rollins worshipped Nugent, the Minutemen CCR, and Gregg Ginn (and I think one of the Sonic Youth folks too) loved The Grateful Dead.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

Lee Ranaldo is the band's resident Deadhead.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

Johnny R's "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt started that lame punk/70s rock war and now he admits he loved Pink Floyd so there ya go..

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that was Steve's shirt anyways.

USA Punx were into Blue Oyster Cult and y'all's know it

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

Hard for me to see if this has been mentioned already, but THIS silly thing appeared in Toronto's NOW magazine back in July:

"Steely Dan's career started self-indulgently in the 70s, and they outdid themselves in the pretension department with each subsequent album. Do It Again, Reeling In The Years, and Rikki Don't Lose That Number may just be the reason punk was born. Twenty years later, their Two Against Nature reunion won four Grammys, including album of the year, largely because fans were stoked to hear some new Steely, and because the boys delivered an album full of the jazzy, catchy songs they were famous for. On their new Everything Must Go, they sound bored and out of ideas. Fagen hasn't much to say lyrically, and Becker has nothing engaging to play. Where are the funky rhythms and contagious solos that made Steely Dan FM radio staples? Save the $18 and head to the nearest elevator."

s woods, Friday, 13 February 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

"They were horrible when they started! They're horrible now and not as good as when they started! Oh wait..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting for Scorcese or DePalma to use "Josie" in a period-piece '70s film so the mainstream critical reevaluation can get further ramped up.

Also, I refuse to believe that punk "saved" us from anything other than limited high-$$$ majors-only access to the production, promotion and release of music.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

I like this exchange from a 1980 Musician interview:

FAGEN: Sometimes it frightens me when we get some weird stoned Moonie with these weird ideations about these songs, and he starts talking about taking some kind of ACTION against who knows what.

BECKER: There was a guy living in Las Vegas when our first album came out who thought - his girlfriend had left him I guess - all of the songs were stories his girlfriend had told us. He wasn't asking any questions; he just wanted his girlfriend back. And we didn't know anything about the girl. But he thought every one of those stories was about him.

FAGEN: It's your basic Arthur Bremmer syndrome. We get a lot of letters that are written in very small printing with little pictures in the corner.

MUSICIAN: Well, you're talking about the perverse fringe of "active" listeners.

BECKER: No, this is the heart and soul of our audience, I've got news for you. Those weird people on the street - every hundredth weirdest one has a Steely Dan record at home.

MUSICIAN: People that are essentially out-takes.

BECKER: Right, or just flipped-out. Like that guy who hi-jacked that bus today [a friend of theirs had been hijacked in midtown Manhattan] probably has forty-seven copies of The Royal Scam at home.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

MUSICIAN: People that are essentially out-takes.

haha beautiful.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

That is just great. Whoever David Breskin is, he is now immortal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is fucking great. Here's a question for y'all: Who's the current (new) Becker & Fagen? I'm thinking it might be folks like Rufus Wainwright; that's the first name that comes to mind, anyway, someone who's not afraid of being slick but isn't JUST slick, has plenty else going on underneath that glossy surface. But I'm not being exact, I'm just coming off the cuff. Any others? Any at all?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Phrased that way I suspect some would argue Belle and Sebastian.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

the neptunes? *ducks*

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

(actually i was just being glib, but there's a grain of truth there.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sorry if somebody has already said this, but steely dan is who you embrace after you are done embracing everything that they are not. in my experience anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

actually strongo the first N*E*R*D album (haven't heard the 2nd) is pretty much a SD record, so you're probably right.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

God, I hope it's not Rufus Wainwright.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

(Thank you, jaymc.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Stevie doesn't get much love here....but Malkmus' first solo record had a little SD vibe to me (at the least the 4-5 good songs on it)..his more "story songs" like Jenny and Ess Dog or Vanessa From Queens (although that's not exactly a story really)...kinda remind me of Fagan a little. He's also at once sympathetic and also somewhat mean to his characters at the same time, like Fagan.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

I think someone might agree with you, M@tt.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

no votes cast for singles?! shame on you!!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, she already explained herself on another thread!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

And she voted for Dave Q!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

pfft...like i actually pay attention to things i read.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

i think dave q is the steely dan of our generation

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

fuck all y'all Rufus haters, btw

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

I figured I was wrong anyway, it was something that popped into my head.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

this reminds me that I still have never heard Rufus Wainwright.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i dont even know who he is!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

i have become a parody of myself

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

"become"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

he's like the Canadian David Sylvian except he can actually write and sing. [[runs]]

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

I like the idea of Rufus Wainwright.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

his first record is good.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

I was kidding--though he and Sylvian do share a certain, how do you say, hyperromanticness. But Rufus has an annoying voice, writes really convoluted melodies that work way better than they ought to, rips off classical music and opera left and right, and I liked the idea of him better than the reality till about two months ago, when I was eating at an all-night diner and Want One came on and kept me in the restaurant from start to finish. Then on came Endtroducing and that kept me there another hour. One of the best nights out eating I've had, and the food wasn't even any good.

xpost: I respect the first two records and love the new one, though I know lots of folks who, like Jody, feel the opposite.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

he's like randy newman meets dame edna

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

anyway. Steely Dan. they rule.

xpost Jody is SO FUCKING OTM.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

But Rufus has an annoying voice

Bingo.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

(i haven't heard want one yet -- what do you like about it?)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

xpost Jody is SO FUCKING OTM.

new genre: dragtime

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is redeemed by jody with her reams of dan trivia

otherwise wtf

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

neptunes arnt the new steely dan because their lyrics are dumb as hell and their music is very simple. there is no modern day steely dan just like there is no modern day bacharach. they are just too unique.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

xxxxxxxpost: my roommate wasn't listening to Ryan Adams this morning but rather her other CD of choice, the Postal Service, who are perhaps very good but now I'll never know.

Ahhh wait the new Fagen is Joe Pernice! think about it. musically, maybe Sea and Cake (in some ways, they're a lot like Gaucho)

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

oh wait now i read matos's posts and owe him an apology

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

hard to put my finger on--mostly I think it's that the grand gestures feel inhabited instead of . . . not forced, they didn't feel that way on the first two records, but like announcements; the earlier stuff feels a bit like, "here I am, this is what I do, notice my chops/interests/leanings," which is fine and certainly not false. but on Want One, they feel totally natural, like he's completely comfortable in them, and that comfort level means he can do with them whatever he wants, so the mastery seems less showy. and it may also just be that I've gotten used to the voice, which takes a long time to get around.

xpost no shit there's no new anything, I just thought I'd go fishing and piss you all off in the process, which I've done yay!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

the postal service is as bad as ryan adams.

http://myweb.thump.net/995729/ali.jpg

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm inclined to agree with you. Who the hell likes TPS and Adams and doesn't like SD? gaddamit

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link


Moderator: Are you worried that you might be put in the same class as other famous reunion's
that were/are just in it for the fast money... i.e., The Eagles...Sex Pistols...The Who...etc.?

Donald: Aren't they in the "slow" class?

Walter: They're in the LOW class.

Moderator: Don't you mean No Class...

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link


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