― righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 17 September 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Mind you, The Cure didn't have much of a "goth" following in those days either as far as I can recall!
Whether or not the reason that the goths subsequently became interested in JD was a direct consequence of Ian Curtis death or the manner thereof I really wouldn't wish to speculate....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
The clothes?
I think not!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Goth pin-ups?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I can't see too many goths being over-enamoured of Steven Morris' nice smart striped shirt either.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
let's play word association! interpol... acne!
― amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Joy Division are not usually thought of as being goth, despite being referred to as "gothic" at the time, but their influence on goth bands wasconsiderable. Their sparse, haunting sound was quite unlike anything else around at the time and spawned a host of imitators, especially afterIan Curtis' death (Bauhaus' first album and the Sisters' first single were both slammed as being the work of poor Joy Division copyists, whichwas rather unfair on Bauhaus). Their use of minimalist and gothic art on record covers also had a lasting influence (for instance, the cover tothe March Violets "Grooving in Green", designed by Andrew Eldritch, has definite similarities to the cover of "Closer").
Additionally, they were a major source of the term "gothic" as applied to post-punk music.
However, Joy Division were never a part of the goth scene; the goth scene proper started to emerge around 81/82, by which time Ian Curtis waslong dead.
They were never really regarded as "goth" musically by goths, either, despite the obvious debts owed to them by a lot of goth bands. A lot offirst-era goths viewed them as too "mainstream" owing to their posthumous popularity; also, their image was rather too bleak (from a Batcavepoint of view, they were decidedly unsexy). And they had their own following, the "long raincoat brigade".
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
I completely disagree, Joy Division = Urban Decay, VU = Heroin/S&M, JAMC = Motorcycles/Oral Sex. None of them = vampires/lace/eyeliner. I mean they all wear black, but so do The Raiders (who are actually more goth than those bands).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― the pinefoxateurist, Friday, 17 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
are you a very very old person?
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
They're great! Or I should say she's great, one woman band.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 September 2004 05:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 18 September 2004 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Can someone do a friendster search on JD? then we can see what else their fans like.
I think amt's pinefox impression wz worse than when raggett did it on some other thread. Can't blame you tho' - its hard to do.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 18 September 2004 09:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― youn, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), September 17th, 2004.
those bands might not be goth but c'mon, the 'goth' aesthetic (in rock music) as we know it wouldn't exist the way it does without those bands.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
JOY DIVISION WERE FRANZ FERDINAND!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
i guess it prolly differs from goth to goth (heh). all the goths i've known personally were DEFINITELY into Joy Division.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
"Good, good..."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
blood test, dude.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― youn, Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link
The "Futurist" tag appeared in September 1980, as follows:
From George Gimarc's Post-Punk Diary for Monday September 15 1980:
STEVO the DJ at Billy's club and general provider of the soundtrack to the new scene brewing in the electronic underground, has his top 20 current recordslist published in Sounds under the heading "Futurist Playlist". Top tracks are Joy Division "Isolation", Gary Numan and "I Die You Die", Bowie's "Ashes toAshes", Bauhaus with "Terror Couple Kill Colonel" and Gina X and "Do It Yourself". At #6 is Fad Gadget and "Fireside Favourite", B-Movie with "SoldierStood Still", Gary Numan's "Aircrash Bureau" and "Telekon", and a demo from Blancmange of "I've Seen The Word". Other groups present are ModernEnglish, Pere Ubu, Throbbing Gristle, Human League, YMO, Iggy Pop and Last Dance. Several months from now Stevo will confess to the NME that "...thetag Futurist is a bunch of crap. I took a chart of the most popular electronic music I was playing as a DJ into Sounds and said to them 'put it in but don't call it'Eurorock' or anything like that'. I grab hold of the paper a week later and it says 'Futurist'. I hate all this stopid tagging."
Despite Stevo's disclaimer, "Futurist" was seen by some as a useful tag for an emerging movement, and there were actually "Futurist" nightsat some nightclubs. The movement was seen by some as an avant-garde version of/reaction to the "pop" New Romantic scene, with the mostimportant bands being John Foxx-era Ultravox and Gary Numan. However, the movement seems to have suffered from the lack of a coherentidentity and never became a subculture as such.
The tag, however, became popular for a while- in an interview in Sounds in January 1981, Blancmange denied being Futurist ("I'm not aFuturist. I hate that word. What we do is more like experimental new music") whilst Depeche Mode laid claim to the term in an attempt to evade aworse one ("OK, we're Futurists. We've always been Futurists. For me, Futurusts were an extension of punk rock. We never had anything to do with NewRomantics. They all looked the same. Bunch of flaming sissies! But call us what you like. Ultra pop. Fiturist, Disco. Anything so long as it's not NewRomantic").
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 18 September 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link