the world is yours halftime memory lane one love
which of these mid-album tracks 'bogs it down'? just curious
― deej, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
People were seriously trying to compare Nas and the Streets in 2002? "lyrical touch" wtf
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i always hate it when albums get bogged down with super classic songs.
oh the streets! i remember when you changed the world. that was awesome.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah big LOLs over Streets/Nas comparisons upthread. WTF.
I would have to pick The World Is Yours as the bogger out of those 4 but only cos I love the other 3.
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link
haha, at last a 3-yr-old thread w/ contributions from me i'm not embarrassed of
― deej, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I'll have to listen to Illmatic again and comment later - been a long time. But again I always felt that Mobb Deep really perfected what Nas started, although I love Illmatic. Comments?
― humansuit, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i remember feeling overwhelmingly confused by the streets argument. like how folks feel when lex starts talking about ciara in a techno thread
― deej, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
nas made it a hot line, mike skinner made it a hot album about losing a thousand pounds in a television. i see no problems with said comparison.
― Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
T/S: Lily Allen vs. Poor Righteous Teachers
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link
holy shit this thread
the ben williams post comparing the 2 verses should have been the end of it
― dmr, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
major lulz @ "Just this guy talking in rhythm for a long time"
― dmr, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
ya rly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm just re-reading this and dude's degree of contrarianism is infuriating.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
AZ's opening verse on Life's A Bitch is still as amazing as when I first heard it. I love AZ!
-- admrl, Monday, July 23, 2007 2:40 PM (Yesterday)
he sounds so good on this track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4TJyUwoPDw
― am0n, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I used to hustle, now all I do is relax and strive When I was young, I was a fan of the Jackson 5
This is probably my favorite thing on the whole record. Couldn't tell you why.
― MRZBW, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
as an MC, obviously Nas destroys Mike Skinner. however if you can't appreciate the obvious parallels between Illmatic and OPM....you must be american or something.
― jabba hands, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link
most underrated part of this thread: "plenty rhythmic complexity though granted not on lines which you need to cycle breathe to deliver." Sterling Clover in secretly bitter asthmatic shocker?
― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link
however if you can't appreciate the obvious parallels between Illmatic and OPM....you must be american or something.
I don't think me mocking the comparison of Skinner's "lyrical touch" with Nas's skill has anything to do with discounting the fact that both albums are narrative observations of their respective surroundings. Or with me being american.
― mh, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 03:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Can I observe and acknowledge the parallels but not appreciate them, though? hah!
haha i chose the word carefully...but i don't disagree re: their respective skills, it's more the 'wtf these albums cannot be compared' response that i find bizarre. i mean, even the artwork!
― jabba hands, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, so here it is: NY State of Mind in particular has monotonous production, to a noticeable degree. This similarly happens in Halftime and Memory Lane, and One Love to some extent - in these songs, Nas' rhymes take center stage and the beats are just there to keep time - a lot. Life's A Bitch and Represent have such energy that it makes these tunes seem flat to me. I think that Nas's rhymes are really the focus. But again, if you check out Mobb Deep Infamous right alongside Illmatic, you can see that plenty was borrowed. But in terms of production it was also a quantum leap forward. As a result IMO, Illmatic may have been the first, but Infamous is the true classic.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
BAN HUMANSUIT
― deej, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry al
yeah man i dunno i love mobb but illmatic is one canonical album i'll go to the mat for anytime.
but at least yr dissing it in favor of mobb and not some UK b.s.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0428,clover,55004,22.html
― Edward III, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
But I'm not dissing it at all. I simply think that it was an early album and that the production wasn't there at the time. It's something that I feel about a lot of early rap albums. Nas' raps are amongst the best that are on any album, certainly, but personally I simply am more inclined to like things that have a musical complexity to them. So, I love Outkast's Aquemini while I respect but can't get into 'It Takes a Nation' all that much. I'm not telling you you have to agree, but I'm giving you some kind of logical reason for the original poster's position. Why that should result in calls for a ban I'm not sure - do you want everyone simply to agree all the time?
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't remember what "Street Dreams" sounded like and unfortunately, I do remember what "If I ruled the World" sounded like, though I wish I had a memory erase function for that particular song.
qft o-dub
― and what, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^Totally true. so many people seem to love it tho! lauryn hill cred or something
― deej, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm a big it was written apologist!
street dreams is awesome! jacking eurthymics a++!
i like i ruled the world too, but not quite as much. i kinda like the nas does bad boy jiggy type feel of those songs.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
I Ruled the World gets pretty annoying on repeated listening. It hasn't aged well. But It Was Written does contain a lot of very nice hidden gems.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
nas's joint with lauryn >>>> com's joint with lauryn
― and what, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
also, "street dreams" has the "all eyez on me" beat
― creme1, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
'the message' is my joint
― and what, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
and that joint with mobb deep
― and what, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link
p's verse on that is insane
everybodys verse
niggas thinkin shit sweet, i carry big heat wavy hair chipped teeth, up in this bitch deep
― and what, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Best track on the album? hmmmmmm
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link
'the message' was definitely my favorite at the time, w/ the mafioso guitar or whatever that is.
― deej, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
according to wiki it's either neneh cherry or Sting(!)
* Contains sample from "Woman" by Neneh Cherry * Contains sample from "Shape of My Heart" by Sting * Contains sample from "N.Y. State of Mind" by Nas * Contains sample from "Halftime" by Nas * Contains sample from "Life's a Bitch" by Nas
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
What's either Neneh Cherry or Sting?
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, the guitar. That's Sting, first couple of notes of this clip, here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locIxsfpgp4
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
i agree w fuckin sterling clover-- the only rsn illmatic is's got dopeness is maybe cuz ill will and his roots weren't so far removed, or it seems like it but you smoke 2 much grn.
nas was already straying from the path when this was in the works, wasn't he.
everybody's always like, 'this is lyrical', but i don't think it is consistently, and nas imagination seems boring, which is realized throughout his career while he said a lot while not many of the ideas are good
it has it's moments and whatnot, prismic metaphor, quintouple entendre and whatnot, but i no a crackhead with more lyricality than nas. plus he can sing.
― luriqua, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
this thread is extremely quaint in that it engages in lyrical analysis
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
god this thread
― sleep, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
how is this not imaginative:
I rap for listeners blunt heads fly ladies and prisoners Henessey holders and old school niggaz, then I be dissin a unofficial that smoke woolie thai I dropped out of Kooley High, gassed up by a cokehead cutie pie Jungle survivor, fuck who's the liver My man put the battery in my back, a differencem from Energizer Sentence begins indented.. with formality My duration's infinite, moneywise or physiology Poetry, that's a part of me, retardedly bop I drop the ancient manifested hip-hop, straight off the block I reminisce on park jams, my man was shot for his sheep coat Childhood lesson make me see him drop in my weed smoke
so many awesome internal rhymes, plus illusions to shearling coats, energizer bunnies, a dude getting shot, Kooley High, the phrase "retardedly bop" is just great....
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
allusions
never put me in your box if the shit eats tapes
― dmr, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
You people! "If I Ruled the World" is Nas' second best song. (First rap song I memorized every word to, when I was ten. I felt very proud of myself for being able to figure out the removed words.)
Oh, and Illmatic is tremendous, but I got very tired of hearing about during my rap geek years.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
If I ruled the world is not his second best song. But what is his best? Life's A Bitch, that's what. No?
― humansuit, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link