fire, water, air and dirt / fukkin magnets / how do they work?

Fukkin stock market how does that work?

did wonder whether the slate person might have read this thread xxp

haha I started reading that "how magnets work" link and let me assure you, MN public schools did not go into that level of detail, not even in middle school

no one itt has stepped up to describe how magnets work

iirc: magnetic force is due to moving electrical charges; a linear magnetic force is produced when electrical charge moves in a circular direction; therefore the electron orbitals of each atom produce tiny magnetic forces as they orbit the atom; magnetic metals are magnetic because in those metals the electron orbitals can easily line up in the same direction, and the billions of atom-sized magnets thus work together to produce a huge force. it's kind of a miracle when u think about it

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Fukkin stock market how does that work?

looooooool earlier today i did quip 'fucking banks.....*pause*....how do they work'

this is the meme of '10 whether we like it or not

as someone unfamiliar with any wider icp eschatology 'miracles' just seems shorthand for the sort of 'look at the carpark' strain of weak optimism that's more or less nondenominational, maybe it is more sinister but the song alone is insufficient evidence

so can I maybe put forward the opinon that you might be taking this a tad too seriously, Jenny, or will you bite my head off

Since you asked so nicely, I will address your concern without biting your head off.

I'm not taking this seriously to the point that I'm thinking about the impact of ICP's teachings and philosophy on the Youth of America when I am not actively engaged in this thread. I'm mostly presenting that argument as a counterpoint to your defense (if it even rises to the level of a defense - maybe it's just an opposing point of view? I don't want to ascribe more ICP-related enthusiasm to your posts that you actually intend) that ICP are actually smart dudes. To sum up my response using fewer words: their regressive world view belies any actual intelligence that they may have.

Some of my apparent passion is probably coming from a TED talk I watched last night about pretty much that very subject (regressive thinking re: science, not ICP, although I would probably watch a TED talk by or about ICP, too). It was mostly in the context of anti-GMO food activists and vaccine deniers, but the common thread is this idea that scientists are liars who are not to be trusted.

In short, I stan for scientists.

TS, which is deeper: ICP "Miracles" vs. Joanna Newsom HOOM.

ICP are exactly the kinds of speakers TED invites!
Dean Kamen and Violent J tag-team powerpointing on segways.

[btw oops sorry -- searched the thread for "slate" before posting but not "weiner" for obvious reasons]

Someone needs to take a Joanna Newsom lyric (something from Ys?) and ICP-ify, stat.

ksh... c'mon buddy.

no

Oh I guess I was also responding to some comments that were kind of in the vein of "making fun of ICP is an elitist thing to do." I'm not making fun of them for their music or their weight or their aesthetic, but I do think there are elements of their schtick that are legitimately worth looking at critically, and the anti-science element is one that stood out the most for me as far as this particular song goes.

to me, the best thing i've read about the song's "real" pov was the slate article--it's just some dudes, smokin stuff, thinkin' about rainbows. it's not any more complicated than that.

I stan for scientists, too. I also think that ICP use any smarts they have primarily for:

- making money
- getting people who would normally be bitter, angry reactionaries to be nice to each other and many of those around them

...so, as such, I kind of don't care if they're particularly regressive in their thinking on questions like magnets because it's wholly secondary to why they exist, namely to get paid.

oh fuck me, I just used "stan" as a verb

add a d to stan, you're a mod!

I really should

"- getting people who would normally be bitter, angry reactionaries to be nice to each other and many of those around them"

is this true? I do agree ICP's popularity is a mark of Michigan's failure to reach out in terms of jobs/education or whatever where something like ICP scoops them up and fills in the void.

is this true?

have you read, like, any of the links or articles posted on this thread or on other threads on ILX, or listened to an extended amount of their music

Had a 'Miracles' moment while walking the dogs last week tbh. It was really windy and I blurted to my wife 'What IS wind? What is this STUFF which is hitting my hand right now?!?!"

i've read a fair bit of the articles and threads, haven't listened to the music (or amazingly this video because it sounds amazing!)

why are you here

it's a miracle!

... was bashfully hoping for an explanation of magnets...

(the circular electricity explanation is great, don't get me wrong, but I always thought it might have to do with missing valence electrons or something)

y'all motherfuckers lyin, & gettin me pissed

What up, ninja, with facepaint bright
In the Gathering late at night
What miracle hand or eye
Could frame thy clownface symmetry?

In what fucking deeps or skies
Burns fire like Faygo when it gets in thine eyes?
With what miracle that would shock thine eyelids?
Dare not a scientist explain me this fire

When fucking magnets started to work,
And fucking rainbows came after it rained,
Did he smile to be down with the clown?
Did He who made the Juffalo make thee?

d the anti-science element is one that stood out the most for me as far as this particular song goes.

― she is writing about love (Jenny), Tuesday, April 13, 2010

isn't "fukkin magnets / how do they work?" kinda yr Scientific Project in a nutshell?

(the circular electricity explanation is great, don't get me wrong, but I always thought it might have to do with missing valence electrons or something)

atoms with missing electrons are probably more likely to experience an electrical force than a magnetic force due to the charge imbalance

the Juffalo! ksb2 <3

isn't "fukkin magnets / how do they work?" kinda yr Scientific Project in a nutshell?

intial qn: fukkin magnets how do they work?
observation: fukken magnets
hypothesis: its a miracle
perform experiment: fuck scientists
analyze experiment: ur getting me pissed
conclusion: juggalo 4 lyfe

I would like Eminem to peer review this.

showdown!

http://toyscouter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Magneto-action-figure.jpg
http://image.grindstore.com/product/21584-1-400x400.jpg

I would like Eminem to peer review this.

And ICP, you can get stomped by Moby
You 30-something year old bald headed clowns, blow me
You don't know me, you're too old
Let it go, it's over, nobody cares about Faygo

Wait I think he's actually rapped about ICP, I mean they're from the same town.

I am dropping some shocking news, I know.

Faggot 2 Dope and Silent Gay. Claimin Detroit, when y'all live twenty miles away

Leonard Cohen's Violent J of Arc

Now the feathers they circled Violent J,
As he came riding through Frisco Bay;
No juggaloes to keep his Faygo safe,
No ninjas to get him through this very frenzied strafe.
He said, I’m tired of the whores,
I want the kind of naden I had before,
A juggalette or something tight,
To satisfy my swollen appetite.

Well, I’m glad to see you come this way,
And I see that you've brought fish today
But something in me yearns to win
something more from that psycho clown grin.
Who the fuck are you? J fiercely spit
An Angel? A Demon? Some Magical shit?
Why, I’m a pelican, it replied,
And I'd love some of your food, if you'd abide.

A talking bird! That's fukkin sweet!
I’m gonna give you fish to eat,
Saying this he fetched his phone
To get it on film, so Shaggy's brains would be fukkin blown.
And deep into his demon pouch
He took ahold a luscious trout,
While up above, the bird's descent
quickened it t'wards its true intent.

It was deep within his fiery heart
that J received a sudden start,
And thus the truth was clearly shown
Bitch bird was tryin' to eat his phone!
In trembling fear he ran away,
But still ponders such miracles to this day.
Water, Fire, Air and Dirt,
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?

"We have tested and tasted too much, lover
Through a chink too wide there comes in no wonder"
(Patrick Kavanagh - Advent)

"Just to dig it all and not to wonder, that's just fine
And I'll be satisfied not to read between the lines"
(Van Morrison - Sweet Thing)

"Let everyone debate the true reality
I’d rather see the world the way it used to be"
(Goffin & King - Goin' Back)

"And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckers lying"
(Insane Clown Posse - Miracles)

http://i.imgur.com/Ji8Uh.jpg

Apparently not a lot of entries into the Regional Lying Motherfukkin Science Fair.

snl did a 'parody' of this last night. it was the same damn video.

^ link: http://www.hulu.com/watch/143249/saturday-night-live-outrageous-clown-squad-kickspit-dirt-festival#s-p2-sr-i1

The Connecticut Joint Chapters of the IEEE Microwave Theory & Techniques Society, Antenna & Propagation, Ultrasonics, Ferroelectrics and Frequency Control Society and the IEEE Student Branch at UCONN are presenting a lecture on: The Design of Electromagnetic Products by Dr. R@tnajeevan H0ole of RPI’s Graduate Center in Hartford, CT

Abstract:
The design of electromagnetic products has shifted from the guess-make-test-check-revise cycle of the period up to the 1960s, to the guess-analyze-check-revise cycle of the 1980s, to today’s state of the art methods of designing as a one step process. The several months’ long process in creating a device design is today down significantly. These new powerful one-shot design methods apply equally to the design of transistors, waveguides, antennae, electric machinery, recording systems and much more. Optimization remains at the very core of the methodology. However, these elegant methods require an expert who can come up with the starting design that, once postulated, can then be optimized.

will go and report back

Um guys:
http://sonorareview.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/he-ran-away.gif?w=240&h=240

"the whole world's got ten thousand people"

i don't think icp were going for a critique of science per se as much as they're decrying the way the language of science (as successful and wonderful as it is) often reduces the beauty of nature to mere words.

not saying i agree with them, but i think that's where the spirit of their sentiment is coming from.