fire, water, air and dirt / fukkin magnets / how do they work?

Leonard Cohen's Violent J of Arc

Now the feathers they circled Violent J,
As he came riding through Frisco Bay;
No juggaloes to keep his Faygo safe,
No ninjas to get him through this very frenzied strafe.
He said, I’m tired of the whores,
I want the kind of naden I had before,
A juggalette or something tight,
To satisfy my swollen appetite.

Well, I’m glad to see you come this way,
And I see that you've brought fish today
But something in me yearns to win
something more from that psycho clown grin.
Who the fuck are you? J fiercely spit
An Angel? A Demon? Some Magical shit?
Why, I’m a pelican, it replied,
And I'd love some of your food, if you'd abide.

A talking bird! That's fukkin sweet!
I’m gonna give you fish to eat,
Saying this he fetched his phone
To get it on film, so Shaggy's brains would be fukkin blown.
And deep into his demon pouch
He took ahold a luscious trout,
While up above, the bird's descent
quickened it t'wards its true intent.

It was deep within his fiery heart
that J received a sudden start,
And thus the truth was clearly shown
Bitch bird was tryin' to eat his phone!
In trembling fear he ran away,
But still ponders such miracles to this day.
Water, Fire, Air and Dirt,
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?

"We have tested and tasted too much, lover
Through a chink too wide there comes in no wonder"
(Patrick Kavanagh - Advent)

"Just to dig it all and not to wonder, that's just fine
And I'll be satisfied not to read between the lines"
(Van Morrison - Sweet Thing)

"Let everyone debate the true reality
I’d rather see the world the way it used to be"
(Goffin & King - Goin' Back)

"And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckers lying"
(Insane Clown Posse - Miracles)

http://i.imgur.com/Ji8Uh.jpg

Apparently not a lot of entries into the Regional Lying Motherfukkin Science Fair.

snl did a 'parody' of this last night. it was the same damn video.

^ link: http://www.hulu.com/watch/143249/saturday-night-live-outrageous-clown-squad-kickspit-dirt-festival#s-p2-sr-i1

The Connecticut Joint Chapters of the IEEE Microwave Theory & Techniques Society, Antenna & Propagation, Ultrasonics, Ferroelectrics and Frequency Control Society and the IEEE Student Branch at UCONN are presenting a lecture on: The Design of Electromagnetic Products by Dr. R@tnajeevan H0ole of RPI’s Graduate Center in Hartford, CT

Abstract:
The design of electromagnetic products has shifted from the guess-make-test-check-revise cycle of the period up to the 1960s, to the guess-analyze-check-revise cycle of the 1980s, to today’s state of the art methods of designing as a one step process. The several months’ long process in creating a device design is today down significantly. These new powerful one-shot design methods apply equally to the design of transistors, waveguides, antennae, electric machinery, recording systems and much more. Optimization remains at the very core of the methodology. However, these elegant methods require an expert who can come up with the starting design that, once postulated, can then be optimized.

will go and report back

Um guys:
http://sonorareview.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/he-ran-away.gif?w=240&h=240

"the whole world's got ten thousand people"

i don't think icp were going for a critique of science per se as much as they're decrying the way the language of science (as successful and wonderful as it is) often reduces the beauty of nature to mere words.

not saying i agree with them, but i think that's where the spirit of their sentiment is coming from.

well yeah, i think that's a sentiment held by a lot of the "lay public"---like why can't a sunset be a sunset, why can't magnets just be fukkin magnets? why do we need to demystify the mysterious etc

it's still pretty stupid imo, because in my experience, the more you learn about science the weirder and more beautiful it gets

cf dawkins and "unweaving the rainbow," which addresses that sentiment head-on

i don't disagree! though tbh i think that kind of argument is used in a misleading way by dawkins & his ilk.

don't really want to get into that though.

i don't think icp were going for a critique of science per se as much as they're decrying the way the language of science (as successful and wonderful as it is) often reduces the beauty of nature to mere words

I agree with you in part, because they spend so much time in awe of the natural world in the song, but the tone is too strongly anti-intellectual to read it as embracing both the worlds of empiricism and imagination. I mean, this is not like Wm. Blake's beef with Newton/Bacon/Locke here.

"embracing both the worlds of empiricism and imagination" isn't exactly right –– in this song, they are spending a lot of time saying "here is some epic shit we think is awesome, and the awe it gives us makes us feel like there is beyond the comprehension of a mere mortal juggalo or jugalette." At the same time, they're not saying "this sense of awe is really dulled by attempts to explain it empirically, which is frustrating" or "science is inadequate at explaining why these feelings of grandeur and the sublime burn in my heart, and therefore it is a limiting worldview." Both of those messages I could understand & maybe even agree with to a certain extent, but I don't think either of those subtleties are captured in "y'all motherfuckers lying," which is a blanket dismissal not only of "the language of science," but of science itself. The dialogue ends there. They are not going to listen to anyone they disagree with, period. It's that "fuck you" that kind of kills whatever sublimity they were going for here.

Not only of science itself, but basically of *thinking* itself. Don't try and figure anything out.

my enjoyment of this song is forever ruined

Mirakills more like ;_;

...sorry?

i'm kidding Abbs, no worries!

I can't even tell when people are joking IRL, it's ok.

Also I have been thinking really hard about this song for weeks so you kinda opened a can of thinkyworms on yrself there, sorry.

"i don't think icp were going for a critique of science per se as much as they're decrying the way the language of science (as successful and wonderful as it is) often reduces the beauty of nature to mere words"

They say scientists are lyin and shit. Its hard to spin that into "I think they're cheapening miracles by breaking them down with science."

Oops, was just said. Nevermind.

i actually forgot about the "lying" part of that line!

so much to unpack with this song...it is a miracle after all

and I don't want to talk to a scientist
I understand their positions, but I can't concur just didn't work as well in context

Well, yeah. It maybe needs a full stanza to elaborate the idea. But then you would end up losing out on shoutouts to ghosts and pyramids, two of the most prominent natural phenomena that science completely fails to explain.

don't forget the ufos

Abbott's right in re the song itslef, but Violent J's recent response to "the haters" has him expressing latebloomer's reading explicitly.

Also, http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8826/insaneclownposseicpnucl.gif

fukkin magnets, how do they stop car crashes?

Druids use rock and magnets to stop road accidents
Austrian authorities say druids have been so successful in dealing with motorway accident blackspots in one area that they plan to extend the project nationwide.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/23/article-1274648992744-09A6A356000005DC-978660_636x403.jpg

that's actually violent J without the makeup

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2emxsJ9Bh1qb25dg.jpg

lol ^^^ this is not true in case anyone didn't know

thankig u

control-f "peep the giraffe" = "phrase not found"

"I don’t know what Webster’s definition of the word “miracle” is, but we’ve always thought it meant something fuckin’ amazing and incredible. A fuckin’ special, awesome event of some kind. A great, wonderful thing. A fuckin’ miracle.

The song “Miracles” is classic ICP. Our listeners know we’ve always included one or two deep, meaningful songs on our albums, we’ve just never made a video for one until now. It was a good idea, obviously, ‘cause it’s got people talkin’. The truth is it don’t make us mad to see all the hate “Miracles” gets from the mainstream. We’ve been “The Most Hated Band in The World” for many years. Without all the hate on the outside, it wouldn’t be as warm as it is on the inside with the Juggalo Fam. Instead, all the hate “Miracles” generates makes us sad. Sad for the haters.

I mean, yeah, we get it. It’s funny to people on the outside lookin’ in, seeing two clowns rapping about space and shit, while floatin’ around in an orgy of screen savers. And SNL’s parody was off the hook hilarious. But when you step back and really look at all the genuine hate it got from everyday people, it’s hard to believe that so few got it.

Yes, most of the miracles we mention can easily be explained away by science, that’s why we say the line “fuck scientists.” Their factual findings sometimes explain away the Earth’s cool mysteries. Part of me wishes they were lying. Part of me doesn't want to know how they really make crop circles. My imagination wants to believe it’s aliens or somethin’. If people can’t relate to that, then that’s their loss. I mean, seriously, it must truly suck to have no imagination about these things. Us Juggalos have deep imaginations, and an awesome sense of humor.

As for the infamous line, “fuckin’ magnets… how do they work?” Magnets were like magic to me as a kid. You could move things across the table without actually touching them! I found that shit amazing and I still do. If you don’t like that, have a dick for dinner. As for the sun and the stars. Who looks up into the sky and doesn't wonder sometimes? Come on, man, I fuckin’ straight up feel sorry for anybody that can look at the moon the trees, and the seven seas, and not see fuckin’ miracles. It’s not about religion either. Nature itself is a miracle. Stand toe to toe with the ocean at night and tell me that shit ain’t amazing.

We appreciate all this shit. Especially a yellow ass, long neck giraffe. What’s a shame is how people walk around blind to it all. They lost their spirit about everything. If you can’t even see the miracle in animals, then you must have never truly loved a pet. That has to suck for you. Maybe you mother fuckers should relax that wound up, extra tense bitch ass of yours for a minute and go smoke a joint or somethin’.

Be an individual, step out and away from the flow of the crowd. Take a time out, open up ya mind and then peep the giraffe. Try to appreciate some of these miracles, bitch.

What’s a miracle is the fact that some people haven’t recognized by now that Insane Clown Posse will never die. ICP will go down in history as an independent music miracle. Get used to these ugly faces. MMFCLJ.

Violent J
The Happy Clown Serial Killer

P.S. -
We feel like these haters are the big dumb, popular jocks ganging up on the little class clown scrub. When they have no idea the scrub is really a highly skilled, deadly, ninja assassin capable of cleaning their fuckin’ clocks.

violent j otm

gotta hand this one to feynman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZNsIFID28

This is the line that gives the game away for me:

Part of me doesn't want to know how they really make crop circles. My imagination wants to believe it’s aliens or somethin’. If people can’t relate to that, then that’s their loss. I mean, seriously, it must truly suck to have no imagination about these things.

xpost Feynman otm too, obviously

yeah but I think all violent j is saying is "there is fun & wonder to be had in indulging a particular perspective" - it's a very post-LSD sort of reasoning: adopt a perspective, ride with it a while, you don't have to permanently adopt it but inhabiting a perspective is a worthwhile activity

juggalo for fucking life IOW

I'll let my boy Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel field this one:
"The realization attained by this individuality consists therefore in nothing more than this, viz. that it has cast forth this circle of abstractions from its confinement within simple self-consciousness, into the element where they are for self-consciousness, in other words, are expanded into an objective existence. [...] The merely single individuality [...], instead of having taken the plunge from dead Theory into Life, has therefore really only plunged into the consciousness of its own lifelessness and has as its lot only empty and alien necessity, a dead actuality."

yeah but what if we're all like the dream of an alien god

Then you better hope I don't wake up.

miracles are slight disturbances in his state of hypersleep, caused when floating space-rocks lightly brush against his complex multi-branched genitalia

oh hi ned I didn't see you there

today is not a good day for crotch references on ILX

Popul WTF

PEEP THE GIRAFFE

great video clip ledge, feynman otm

"We feel like these haters are the big dumb, popular jocks ganging up on the little class clown scrub."
anti-intellectual semi-pro-wrestlers going to play the nerd card? I always felt ICP were closer in spirit to John Cena (or makeupwise The Undertaker) than Mick Foley.