ISn't this the Madonna album everyone's supposed to hate but everyone actually really loves?
Haven't heard it all, but "Vogue" (that's on here right?) was all over the radio, again when I was 10 and just discovering pop - so it was in its own way a very important record for me. I think the first page of the first ever music magazine I bought (Smash Hits, circa easter 1990) had the lyrics reprinted here. This is why I still know nearly all the words to Vogue and Birdhouse In Your Soul.
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
"Vogue" is on I'm Breathless.
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Music from and inspired by the film Dick Tracy.
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Yup. And it's great.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
eh, it's okay
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
caliornia! a glorious album both then and now. amazingly lush, melodic, complex and beautiful record. I shall love it always.
When were like 13 or 14, me and my friends used to obsess over the first Mr. Bungle album, but by the time California came out I'd already cultivated my anti-rock stance to the point that I didn't care about such things anymore.
tuomas, the mr bungle of their debut album is a totally different beast to the one that recorded its two far superior follow-ups. it's highly debatable whether disco volante, and to some extent california too, even counts as 'rock' in any meaningful sense.
I guess postmodernism - or whatever this strain of humour originates from - got a bit tired in the end.
tbh I'm not sure bungle by the time of california can really be considered humorous, perhaps not even postmodern. omnivorous, certainly, but there's a huge amount of affection and respect for the genres they're revelling in and mashing together - it's far from empty, ironic smirking. that's what was so surprising about california, that mr bungle could be capable of producing genuine beauty as well as horror.
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I am like the only person on Earth who thinks the first Bungle album is the best one.
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
we already knew they could do that, though! cf Stubb (A Dub), Merry Go Bye Bye (xpost)
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I think all 3 Bungle albums are of virtually equivalent quality
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
xp... of course, my advocacy would be greatly enhanced if I could spell 'california'.
I love stubb a dubb, but it's far more silly than beautiful.
merry go bye bye... yeah, you're right. but it's an anomaly in the context of DV.
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I actually own Disco Volante, and whoo boy does it suck! At least on the first album the experimentalism is often funny. I've heard friends play California on a few occasions, and it sounded okay to me (definitely less avant-garde than the first two), but it's just not the sort of music I'm really into.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Faith No More wasn't in the original poll at all, so Mr. Bungle placing makes me wonder if FNM will get up really high here
― Thug Motivation 102: The Weinspiration (some dude), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
The genre pastiching on California definitely took on some more introspective and conventionally elegant styles, though, it's gotta be said, and pulled them off beautifully. (He says, as Pink Cigarette swoons to its conclusion)
Those are the only two songs from the first two albums that 'do' outright beauty. California's sonic assault is a lot subtler, and its songcraft more explicit. Doesn't stop it from being kickass as all hell.
It's not REALLY less avant-garde, Tuomas, just sly about its avant-gardism...
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry lj, i suppose that's kind of a guess xpost
― Thug Motivation 102: The Weinspiration (some dude), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I actually own Disco Volante, and whoo boy does it suck!
LJ, be sure to include this in your quotes when DV comes up, okay?
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^THREADBAN
lol nah it's fine, just accept this stern furrowing of brow and thank your lucky stars you didn't give that record 70 points or w/e
xpost AND NOT xpost
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
empty, ironic smirking
I think this is what killed this strand of musical expression. By the time 2000s came round, the only people doing multi-genre mashup exercises appeared to be doing it for the sake of doing it. It all became seen as far too arch, and nauseating with it. Seems in the 90s there was still a brazen naivety attributed to cross-generific pranksters like Patton, RDJ, TMBG that it didn't feel so forced.
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
y'all should be talking about Madonna anyway ;)
dog latin, it's still done plenty, gloriously so in some cases. maybe someone should start a thread
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
why should we talk about one of Madonna's most boring albums?
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
like, it's not bad, but it's not really very interesting either, so what is there to say about it?
fine, let's not talk about Madonna
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
oh look Vanity Fair just started...fuck I love this song so so so much
California is really short! another gold star for that record
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
fucking goddamnit watching the last ten albums most of which i would have voted for place where they did makes me really pissed at myself for not managing to vote
― Varg Vikinem (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
can I just
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
CHAK CHAK CHAK CHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA
YES I KNOW
― Varg Vikinem (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
also tuomas, i dont even know where to start, but you are pretty much being geir II all over this thread.
― Varg Vikinem (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
xp I think in patton's case, the massive range of genres he's covered is merely an extension of the range of stuff he listens to. he's not at all unique in his broad tastes, but what's surprising is that, in an age in which tribal allegiances and genre boundaries among listeners are breaking down, the same isn't generally the case within most artists' recorded output.
it seems only natural to me that musicians would want to explore as much territory as possible, if only for the sake of their own development and amusement.
off-topic, I know...
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
hahaha, i love that bit louis.
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
58= Gas - Königsforst (1999)44 points4 votes0 first-place votesGreatest contributor: Moka
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/Gas_konigsforst_cover.png
the last track on konigsforst always makes me think of a sunrise because it sounds like a warped/looped "william tell overture", that waking-up music they use in cartoons
― am0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:37 (2 years ago)
Before today, I had only heard Pop. I liked it, but I mentally filed it away as music to do homework to. Today I listened to Konigsforst over and over again, and I realized I'm going to have to look into everything Voigt has done. Track 5 is AMAZING.
― 2 5 (Z S), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 03:03 (1 year ago)
Yesssss... I LOVE Gas--I played the second track off 'Konigsforst" with the signature low thrum moving from speaker to speaker at Night of the Living Drone, and I must say, Jess, you are WRONG about it verging on the ignorable! ;-) At "appropriate" volume, this music (to borrow an old-school Reynoldsism) evokes the womb, the feeling (not like any of us can remember it, but it's a cool comparison) of immersion in amniotic fluid. I have to seek out his other stuff-- 'Zauberberg' is on my Xmas wish list, and I love the track on 'Modulations and Transformations,' too.
― Clarke B., Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (8 years ago)
I'm catching up with Gas and at the moment Koningsforst is my favorite esp. the 5th track. I'm flashing slow approaches to a giant forest planet or just some archetypical forest of the unconscious. It's holy/awe-full music isn't it?
― Omar, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 17:20 (7 years ago)
Ha! I searched this thread to comment on this very track. Just picked up Koningsforst over the weekend & now I'm deep inside it & yes, this track is so great. It starts w/ one dark evil string loop that repeats & then as it develops, this sacred organ chord keeps trickling in until it takes over the loop by the end & then it sounds safe and happy. I keep humming it here at work.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:29 (7 years ago)
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
apparently track 5 is quite good
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
the end riff on goodbye sober day made my old flatmate burst into tears and exclaim 'this is the heaviest thing I have ever heard in my life'!
I felt strangely proud.
I shall shut about bungle now.
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
no, that is a great little anecdote!
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
m the g - yeah, i guess these days wearing your eclectic tastes on your sleeve isn't as daring as finding a sound and working within it. in the 90s i think there was a much greater adherence to musical tribes, so it was seen as pretty subversive to do this.
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
what's surprising is that, in an age in which tribal allegiances and genre boundaries among listeners are breaking down, the same isn't generally the case within most artists' recorded output
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:39 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
I don't mean to be pedantic, just informative if you guys don't know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecak
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
xp the exact same thing also happened with a different flatmate and to 'carry stress in the jaw'.
dog latin - yeah, I see that. but it's not so much about being daring, as what I would expect to be the natural inclination for a creative person with a broad interest in music.
ah, new thread!
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
bungle is one of the only times i can think of where i loved a debut album, to the point of it being my favorite for a long while, and then the sophomore album came out and obliterated my ranking of the first one to the point where i kind of couldnt listen to it for a while.
have never heard of gas
― Varg Vikinem (jjjusten), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyway, more techno (and ambient-ish techno to boot!) to make Finnish hearts soar
yeah I do know about it being Indonesian kecak music, but I bet the Indonesians never married it to THAT RIFF
JJ I can only imagine what I'd have been reduced to if I'd grown up listening to the Bungle albums as they came out.
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
One can only guess at the ILM word-carnage.
yeah, I have a kecak album. entertaining stuff, especially considering its strange and dubious origins.
― m the g, Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
jjjusten, secret Erotica fan
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Gas is nice, but as with all dubbed-out ambient/drone/mantra-ish stuff, I can only use it as musical wallpaper to chill out with rather than something I can get truly enthused about. Even SAWII or certain Stars Of The Lid albums I've enjoyed, I couldn't really treat as albums, more "listening aides" to help me sleep or read.
― village idiot (dog latin), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
wrt to Mr. Bungle:
a lot of the arguments people are making about this band, on both sides, seem to be willfully acting like a certain mr. frank zappa never existed
― Shakey Ja Mocha (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Erotica >>> each and every Cure album
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Rather more like a certain Mr. Frank Zappa doesn't speak to me at all.
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
ok this thread is about to get tasty
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe I'll chill down with some Gas
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
And also... no. Erotica > Wild Mood Swings and that's about it.
― Marriage, that's where I'm a Viking! (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Sun City Girls also dabble in a spot of kecak fwiw, and I think they too belong in the class of "stuff that pushes things right over the precipice in terms of innovation, musicality etc, but on the surface appears to be a practical joke."
― Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link